By emerson on 07-25-10
Here are the job stats from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The car is starting to come out of the ditch… Let’s keep the momentum going…
http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/05/07/4254552-challenge-rename-this-graph
By JCW on 07-26-10
By the way…........it was NOT $787 Billion Stimulus Package, it was a $1.4 TRILLION Stimulus Package.
This was announced by the CBO during Congressional Hearings on “where did the money go” questioning.
It was a catastrophic FAILURE. Just like the rest of the loser ideas from this administration. Clinton…...FAILURE…....Bush .....FAILURE…....Obama BIG TIME FAILURE.
By Montucky on 07-26-10
Any time large sums of money are given away, some people will be happy. The rest of us will suffer for many years to recover from the money that was taken from us.
By hammer on 07-26-10
Emerson you are out of touch
By emerson on 07-26-10
I’m out of touch because I link to a graph that shows actual statistics from the Bureau of Labor Statistics?
I guess that’s what you say in right-winger land if the facts are in contradiction your “beliefs” and ideology.
By Native on 07-26-10
Emerson - Ha ha, yes, Hammer gets really annoyed when people use statistics and/or optimism in any posts. If your not regurgitating a talking point from Fox News, its not worth mentioning.
By Vud on 07-28-10
HE gets it ! He finally gets it !
“Obama has succeeded more or less in doing what he planned to do.”
Ya see Moose…Elections are preceeded by “campaigns’...You seem to be one of the few that were surprised.
By Roark on 07-28-10
Ah yes, the Wreckovery Act. It’s def. wrecking the economy and private business. But what’s violation of rights to some who believe the ends justify the means? Why only a trillion and half?-why not 100 trillion?
By Kalispell Native on 07-28-10
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/28/business/economy/28bailout.html?_r=1
“In a new paper, the economists argue that without the Wall Street bailout, the bank stress tests, the emergency lending and asset purchases by the Federal Reserve, and the Obama administration’s fiscal stimulus program, the nation’s gross domestic product would be about 6.5 percent lower this year.
In addition, there would be about 8.5 million fewer jobs, on top of the more than 8 million already lost; and the economy would be experiencing deflation, instead of low inflation.
The paper, by Alan S. Blinder, a Princeton professor and former vice chairman of the Fed, and Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, represents a first stab at comprehensively estimating the effects of the economic policy responses of the last few years.”
Mark Zandi was John McCain’s economics advisor during his campaign.
By Roark on 07-28-10
“Economists” touted by the NY TImes!? - It must be true.
You mean Alan Blinder who served on President Bill Clinton’s Council of Economic Advisors?-and was an advisor to Al Gore and John Kerry?
You mean the John McCain who foisted the anti-free speech CFR on our right to free speech - who voted to outlaw the incandescent light bulb - voted in favor of nominating Ruth G Ginsburg - who also voted against the Bush tax cuts? ad nauseum….that McCain?
By inthemiddle on 07-29-10
Moose, what color is the sky in your world?Outside of a few minor changes in health care, and some financial reform, what has President Obama done to recieve such hatred from you. He was elected by a vast majority of the American people to try and fix what was destroyed by the Buch/Cheney administration. He did not hide anything from us, he said what he wanted to do, and so far has tried to follow through on it. What you in your twisted logic see as communism most people see as needed reform. You need to go back and look up what communism really is, and then you need to look at the countries in Europe, Canada, Japan, New Zealand and Austrailia and see how their governments and private industry work. Unless we put some controls on the super rich we will end up as a third world nation. Is that what you want? Big business only looks out for themselves, they don’t give a rats a#& about the rest of us.
By Vud on 07-29-10
” Why only a trillion and half?-why not 100 trillion ” ?
Short answer: We can’t afford 100 Trillion $‘s.
That’s a good answer really, because there IS a certain dollar amount or % of GDP that we CAN afford to spend to mitigate the effects of what very nearly was (and still could be) a depression. Problem is we won’t know if, or when, or how much was needed (or how much was too much) until long after the fact. - and it will STILL be subject to interpretation just as the policies of the 20’s and 30’s are today.
Is the answer to have our elected officials sit back and do nothing…watch it all collapse? Or have them RE-implement the plans and policies of the party that LOST the election? Nope.
(Republican and FED responses would have largely been similar to what we have today anyway…Think TARP with it’s billions for AIG…GM…Banks…etc.)
You may disagree with the kurrent regime’s policies, but they have to implement actual plans for the worlds largest economy in a globally connected age. All without the benefit of your god-like prescience they will just have to mudddle through like the rest of the mere mortals.
Inthemiddle- I wouldn’t expect much in the way of explanation from the likes of Moose-You’ll be disappointed…But we can always hope..I guess.
By Roark on 07-29-10
Vud, think about what you just said.
By DeesBull on 07-29-10
Moose, just read this and thought you might be able to use it. The gist of it applies to many things plus I’m sure Rush won’t mind if you use it and it’ll drive the libs nuts…“The ruling class tries to intimidate you from being right. If you’re right, you’re mean-spirited. If you’re right, you’re obnoxious. If you’re right, why, you’re anti-environment.” -Rush
And I’m sure I’ll be excoriated but I really don’t care.
By Fair Row on 07-29-10
Big business has made many hard-working Americans wealthy while providing jobs for those not willing or able to participate in the rat race. Big business has made most Americans quite comfortable because their enterprises require sales; sales of products which improve life and comfort. Big government has made some Americans comfortable and punishes those who win the rat race while doing everything it can to diminish the success of the entreprenuers.. Both have committed grievous errors and harm. But I prefer that situation rather an environment where big government or big business is totally dominant. When that occurs people suffer and lose personal and economic liberty. Balance is the answer, not total abolition or crippling of one or the other.
By inthemiddle on 07-29-10
There is an old saying that applies to you deesbull “If you agree with everything a man is saying only one of you are doing the thinking”Rush Limbaugh, the PT Barnum of our time.
By DeesBull on 07-30-10
Hmm. I post one small statement from Rush and you make an assumption like that. However, your statement leaves no doubt where you stand. However, you are definitely confused as to who the PT Barnum of our time is. If you can’t see that then it is you who are not thinking.
By hammer on 07-30-10
Dees Bull, don’t get frustrated with the liberals. Just remember, they truly beleive in socialism. They never take into the account that the wealthy are the ones who have put everything on the line to become wealthy. They are the ones creating jobs, they are the ones DOMINATELY supporting America tax base. But Dees Bull, it isn’t enough. Liberals want the same chance as you and me without putting the time or effort in.. I can’t help it if someone didn’t take the career choice that I did. Or I can’t be jealous of someon who makes more money than I do. Dees Bull, these guys are lame. Sit back on the blogs acting as if they know everything. Talking as if this Barak system is working. And to have the idiocity to say it will only get better with bigger govt. Liberals have sunk into our system, and we need to weed them back out.
By Native on 07-30-10
hammer - does it bother you that whenever you post something you only get 1 thumbs up (from yourself I’m guessing, maybe MB) and all the rest thumbs down everytime? Not that we are posting only to see how many people agree with us, but it appears that even the other conservatives don’t appreciate your comments.
Abe Lincoln was a liberal. FDR was a liberal. JFK was a liberal. Obama is NOT a liberal. You need to check your definition and understanding of what “liberal” means and quit assuming that it is nothing more than a negative slur.
By hammer on 07-30-10
Native, I didn’t know this was a popularity contest. As a matter of fact I do get more thumbs up than you lied about. Go back and see. You should be proud of who you are. YOU ARE A LIBERAL! No ands, ifs, or butts about it.
By Native on 07-30-10
I know I’m a liberal. My point was that you are wrong in your assumption of what that actually means. You use it like a racial slur. Believe it or not, its just another way to look at the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
By hammer on 07-30-10
You know Native, you sure are obsessed with sources. Look up the color green and see what the definition is. Go back to your biased sources and be the liberal marxist, communist that you should be proud of.
By Kalispell Native on 07-30-10
hammer: Facts from trustworthy sources will always triumph over the opinions of dubiously qualified radio yakkers you agree with and then regurgitate.
Someday, I hope you figure that out.
By hammer on 07-30-10
Sure is funny now that you say I only recieved 1 thumbs up. See you underestimate people. Just because people listen to talk radio doesn’t mean they are uninformed. You seem to think your liberal sources are better.. YOU DO!. Isn’t also funny that you do not see successful liberal, marxist, communist radio shows that can make it. Because America doesn’t like it Native. YOu go ahead thinking you need sources to figure out that this administration is taking America down the socialist, communist, marxist lane. GO ahead Native, the only ones that will back you are the other lame liberals here. GO AHEAD. RAH RAH RAH.Liberals.
By Kalispell Native on 07-30-10
I said nothing about 1 thumbs up.
I KNOW my sources are better, and not all of them are liberal.
You’ve got some spittle dripping down your chin and you need to wipe your screen dry.
By inthemiddle on 07-30-10
I was talking with some men that work in the road construction business, I should say independent contractors. They were trashing Obama and the Democratic party over deficit spending. When I told them that the major job that has kept them busy all spring and summer was funded by stimulus money funded by the Democrats and Obama they argued the point. They don’t think road projects are adding to the deficit, I don’t know where they think the money is coming from, maybe the tooth fairy. It is estimated by a local economist that if it were not for the stimulus package our unemployment rate in the Flathead would be over 16% instead of 11.4%.
Most road and commercial building projects are stimulus money jobs.
By the way these men think that most public education is a waste of money, I have to agree , it was wasted on them.
By Native on 07-30-10
inthemiddle - Your story sums things up pretty well. I am shocked at how common it is to find out that the people complaining about the government the most are the very same people that are benefitting from the programs. I had an unemployed guy the other day tell me Obama is ruining the country and in the same breath say he would have lost his home if it wasn’t for the unemployment extension. I had a beer with a differnet guy who spent an hour complaining about the governments spending but I know for a fact he was going to have to go bankrupt and lose everything until “thankfully” he got a job on the bypass.
Some people are just too arrogant and thickheaded to know whats good for them.
By DeesBull on 07-30-10
Hammer, everytime I post anything, doesn’t matter what it is, I get lots of thumbs down. We all know who they are and it kinda makes me proud I can push a libs buttons. One of the standard liberal tactics are to attack your character, as you no doubt noticed, and can’t handle the truth. Here’s a good article that helps explain how they think. Yes, I lump them into the ruling class mentality. It’s long but it sheds a lot of light on how they work.
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the
Also, communism used to be called liberalism. As noble as the wiki def sounds, todays liberals don’t fit and should be called something else.
By Native on 07-30-10
Dees - I gave you a thumbs up onetime. Just once though.
Your right on, the first page of my Liberal Idealism field manual instructs me to “attack character”.
So liberals are the ruling class? I think the article calls it “the bipartisan ruling class”.
You gotta trust an article that paints liberals as Nazi sympathiesers. Very level-headed.
I love how conservatives always rag on Obama for holding a lowly position as a community organizer and than turn around and say he is a “Harvard Elite”. Or in your opinion (from the article); he is part of the wealthy, Ivy-League Ruling class…. make up your friggin mind. Do you hate him because he worked his way from the bottom to the top or do you just hate him because he is at the top?
Communism used to be called liberalism? It is laugh out loud funny that you so desperately want to villify liberals that you will argue with the definition. So what your saying is that if I identify and believe and support 100% of the wiki definition of liberalism your going to tell me that I’m wrong about myself…. or… wait…. you are telling me that I am wrong about what I really do stand for?... well thats convenient isn’t it. I thought I was in charge of my beliefs, I had no idea that you had control over that.
By DeesBull on 07-30-10
I had read once that many years ago Liberalism was out there and when people discovered what it truly was they started calling themselves Communists. The ‘new lingo’ at the time or maybe it was ‘chic’ to be one. Never dug really deep into it.Worked his way to the top? All on his own? Yeah, right. He is where he is because of the ruling class. Read the article. I know it’s long but it sheds a lot of light on how they work. I had to deal with their like on my job and the article put the pieces together. They’re not just the wealthy, their attitude permeates all levels.
I don’t like Obama for what he believes in or what he is doing to this country. I didn’t like him before he ran for president. I saw through him then. He does not stand up for this country, he bows down to other nations. The muslim world believes that if a man’s father is a muslim then he is a muslim. Makes me wonder…
Vilify liberals? Whatever do you mean? Why, some of my best friends are liberals….
By Kalispell Native on 07-30-10
Hi moosebrick.
By Vud on 07-31-10
Dees-
Read the article. I grade it a solid ‘C’.
The author serves up a lot of verbal spaghetti to justify this one line :
“In short, the ruling class has a party, the Democrats. “
Here’s his spaghetti…
“That is because while most of the voters who call themselves Democrats say that Democratic officials represent them well, only a fourth of the voters who identify themselves as Republicans tell pollsters that Republican officeholders represent them well…
...This means that Democratic politicians are the ruling class’s prime legitimate representatives and that because Republican politicians are supported by only a fourth of their voters while the rest vote for them reluctantly, most are aspirants for a junior role in the ruling class. “
So he is basically saying (his quoted polls) tell him the voters are in large part responsible for his “ruling class”.
Well…Ok….I agree. That’s pretty much as I always suspected. I say, “So What ?”
Unfortunately, much of the rest of the logic in the article flows from that premise. Interesting, but not all that enlightening.
Also, I see this author had other topics to read. Imagine my disappointment when the 2 most tantalizing of the 14 or 15 listed:
” Reality Denial - August 25, 2005 ” and…
” Caricature of America - May 21, 2007 “
...were unavailable. Makes me curious.
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