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By Lonewolf162 on 09-08-12 @ 1:08 am
This is rediculous the wolves should never have been taken off the endangered species list thisis a direct line of what bad things will happen.With these set of events very bad things will
happen the deer will over populate and people will want to hunt these creatures till there are
no more left! It is stupid that people are even agreeing with the idiots who started this!
By brokenbutcher on 09-08-12 @ 11:55 am
its like teaching a class on torture. not to mention why revive something to then later kill it.God I am soooo glad I moved away from that place…
By Clarity on 09-08-12 @ 3:41 pm
The words ‘harvesting’ and ‘certification classes’ conjure-up such wholesome images don’t they. However, the truth is horrifying. Get real. Get the facts: http://trappingfacts.com
By brokenbutcher on 09-08-12 @ 5:35 pm
Clarity, Holy moly. that sight is not for the faint of heart..Obviously to protect something andlet it make a comeback,only to then kill what has grown from this protection is anything but “
wildlife management”. So close to the definition of insanity it is unreal. at least shoot them.
Trapping is an indescriminant killer. How would like to find your dog screaming for days on end
stuck in one those things… even if it did kill you neighbors sheep/cattle etc. You move to MT
to live with wildlife, not to design a pseudo utopian rocky mountain sanctuary. Move if you dont
like what that part of the country has to offer.. I did.
By Clarity on 09-09-12 @ 2:45 am
Yes the facts at http://trappingfacts.com say it all. The thing is some of the most ethical, fair-minded and community-minded people I have ever met are my friends and kin in Montana. But
on the issue of what constitutes ethical treatment of animals there appears to be a legacy
blindpot that is also fueled by money and the idea that Montana’s wildlife is available to be
killed by the public using antiquested and barbaric methods - with little regard to animal
suffering. Although it is hard to be surrounded by it - and to have beautiful Fall hikes in the
peaceful forests be ruined by the sound of rifle-fire all around and the need to wear orange in
the ‘hope’ you won’t be shot by one of the countless drunk hunters around in the woods - if
everyone who is keenly aware of these facts moves away, there will be even less protection for
animals. There are MANY Montanan’s who don’t find trapping and hunting excessess
acceptible - even former trappers. These voices really are the best and often the only hope for
animals in our State.
By montanaeasy56 on 09-09-12 @ 4:36 am
If I was a person who has been trapping for a long period of time who actually knows what he is doing, I would be really pissed at what is, now, going to be the beginning of the end of
trapping as he knows it. The FWP is going to introduce thousands of new “experts”, after an
eight hour course. The trapping industry is alrady under attack by various animal hugging
whackos. For the FWP to push for wolf trapping, in order to try and control the wolf, is just plain
ignorant. They are going to turn thousands of new trappers out there to catch and injure many
other non-wolf species. Of course the FWP is driven by their unsquenchable desire for money,
money, that they are going to kill the trapping industry.
By MontanaTrace on 09-09-12 @ 6:36 am
It’s a cruel death. Why do we still not only allow but promote it.
By hotfishmt on 09-09-12 @ 6:56 am
I for one, don’t understand why Fish & Game did not approve using “game calls or electronic calls” for Wolf control. Just the first week of bow season, a hunter up the North Fork harvested a
wolf that came in to the hunter who was using a cow elk call.
Leg traps don’t know what the leg belongs to….feral cat, badger, fox, deer, owl, hawk, small bear,
etc…..least when used on beaver or mink etc….the traps are around or under water & the target
only specific species. Leg traps snap closed with any leg that gets in its jaws.
And, yes you can catch birds of prey with traps set for foxes….I know first hand from my grown
sons adventure years ago…when he caught a Red Tail Hawk while trying to trap a Fox that was
killing our chickens.
By montanaeasy56 on 09-09-12 @ 5:39 pm
“It’s a cruel death.” I take it you have never watched african lions take down a zebra or a wildebeast, or a mountain lion suffocate a deer, or a pack of wolves sport kill cattle and elk. I
have. They start eating them a long time before they are dead…Nahhh…that isn’t cruel is it?
By jimbo on 09-09-12 @ 6:36 pm
Come on Easy, trapping was on its way out anyway. I tend to agree with most of what you said. But you have complained as much as anyone about wolves. Trapping is the only way to really
reduce numbers. But it needs to be snares. Quick death, easy to catch em. The success rate of
these foothold traps is going to be very small.
And I completely disagree its about money. This class is really about making these guys
understand they are going to be in a spotlight. It’s more of an ethics course and what not to
do, than a “how to”.
People are WAY to excited about this foothold trapping. The ignorant think the forest is going
to be “carpetbombed” with traps, the pro-trapping crowd thinks this is going to really get em.
LOL. Not.
The legislature is going to approve more than one tag per hunter, then we will be able to just
shoot more than one. Guys are signing up for the course just to get the extra tags.
By montanaeasy56 on 09-09-12 @ 9:51 pm
This class is going to put a bunch of yahoos out there that don’t know crap about trapping or how to free an unwanted target such as lions or even the possibilty of a bear…if trapping “was
on its’ way out”, then the FWP is making damn sure there is no possible way of it ever
returning…the FWP along with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service created a friggin monster with
the wolf and now they can’t control it….BUT they will continue to control hunting opportunities
for the two-legged predators going forward.
By jimbo on 09-12-12 @ 8:59 pm
OK, yeah, I agree, there are going to be some real dummies. But you seem to really have it outfor FWP. They didn’t just pull trapping out of their rear. Hunters wanted trapping. Hunters
petitioned for it. Funny how you keep, putting it all on FWP.
Controlling hunter opportunity? Yeah, vote for the right guy for governor, whom also can’t talk
about anything but wolves and FWP. Then you will see control, and not in a good way. The
governorship and the senate race is going to decide what happens to hunting opportunity in MT,
not wolves. I still laugh at those that keep laying everything on FWP and never mention how our
legislature completely tried to lay the pipe to MT hunters in the last session. Can’t wait to
see what happens in the next. But if it makes you feel better…....
Better get smart about whom is really controlling hunter opportunity. I know I sound like a
broken record, but if people don’t get smart, you can look at Utah, and see what hunting is
going to be like.
By montanaeasy56 on 09-12-12 @ 9:19 pm
Hunters may want the trapping becasue they are the ones WHO should be concerned about controlling the walking stomachs. The FWP, in my experience of dealing with these guys, is
that it is about revenue. They lose 3.4 million from out-of-state tags…their thought process
is “how do we make that up?”...Oh, lets create another revenue source…trapping. Two years
ago the Montana trapping Industry told the FWP they didn’t want to get involved with more
controversy concerning trapping of wolves. They are currently fighting for their industry against
the animal lovin sons a b@&*&&ches;. I smile when I hear people talk about the current
Governor being the problem with the wolf issue. I believe it was one of Libby’s finest (Racicot)
who was governor when this “lets create a monster” program started…not a whimper was
heard. I lay the blame with the FWP becasue these guys were the ones who were out in the
field talking to hunters and other sportsmen about “hunting another species (eventually), they
were the ones who spreading the same B.S. that wolves will only kill enough to sustain
themselves (they don’t sport kill), these were the same educated biologists that said that there
would only be one breeding female in a pack (later to be proven B.S when they killed the Hog
Heaven pack)...so these clown were spreading the same lies as the U.S. Fish and Wildlife
Service…they were the ones who were in bed with the feds developing the “monster” that only
later became a problem. Reminds me of the old Frankenstein movie where the mad scientist
(the MTFWP and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service) built a monster and then could no longer
control it. Hunting certainly didn’t do in controlling the numbers of wolves…we still had a net
increase in their numbers…trapping with a bunch of idiots will only give sportsmen a further
black eye. If the eye gets black enough pretty soon reasonable people will begin to call an end
to our hunting heritage and not just the crazies from back east or out west.
By Mtwatch on 09-13-12 @ 9:10 am
“trapping with a bunch of idiots will only give sportsmen a further black eye. If the eye gets black enough pretty soon reasonable people will begin to call an end
to our hunting heritage and not just the crazies from back east or out west.”
PLEASE GOD…MAKE IT SO!!!
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