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By Kalispell Native on 04-07-10 @ 12:25 am
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Gharst, Gaede and anybody who agrees with them, even a little, needs to find someplace else to live and believe in their ignorant hatred and bigotry.
By emerson on 04-07-10 @ 3:43 am
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We need more people to stand up and call these evil people for what they are: evil, regressive and mentally deranged nihilists.

We do not debate evil. Anyone who has any sympathies with these awful ideas must realize they are a scorn on history.
By Kokanee on 04-07-10 @ 7:28 am
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said:
“They have created a myth today that they call the massacre of Jews and they consider it a principle above God, religions and the prophets,”

These people are no better than Iran’s leader and we would not tolerate him here so why should we tolerate these people. Freedom of speech is one thing trying to create a following of hate is another. As far as I am concerned these people should be allowed to leave the U.S. or forced.

I am openly tolerant of race religion creed and gender as many here in this valley. I will not tolerate fear mongering hate filled racist people. I will fight for your freedoms, so why do I have to tolerate this crap in the 21st century.
By mongo on 04-07-10 @ 8:17 am
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two thumbs DOWN on these racist ignorant fools!!
By My2Cents on 04-07-10 @ 8:22 am
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Personally, I hope they bring the KKK here. I could use some extra sheets for my dog’s bed.

Seriously though, the only thing that will stop these disturbed people is standing together as a community.
By getman on 04-07-10 @ 8:59 am
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Everyday, I hear of more hate being spewed in this Valley.
It is at its lowest point, and bitterly, bitterly, sad.
In the sixth grade at Cornelius Hedges, in the fifties, I learned that all people are created equal.  It was a most exciting day for me.  We have to believe it. Montana is getting a supremacist reputation, this is not correct, right, or good.  Heartbreaking.
By inthemiddle on 04-07-10 @ 9:51 am
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There has always been a small faction of these bigots living here, what scares me is how open they are about it now. We as a society need to confront these morons and tell them this is not acceptable in our community. The more they do this the stronger they will become. A national poll shows that 24% of the American public believes that President Obama was not born in this country, among people that are white, this number is around 45%. These are the people being targeted by these hate groups, they already have slanted views towards people of other races and they have shown in the past year how easily they can be swayed. When times are bad , as they are now these vermin always crawl out from whatever rock they have been hiding under.
By Jeronimus on 04-07-10 @ 11:29 am
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Requiring “holocaust education” in US high schools is a violation of the separation between synagogue and state.  We object to America being turned into a Jewish supremacist theocracy.  Challenging the Holocaust religion is very important to keeping America a free and secular country.  Also, Jewish Communists killed 11 million Ukrainians in the Holodomor; how come we never hear about that?
By Jeronimus on 04-07-10 @ 11:33 am
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Why did they keep changing the numbers on the Auschwitz plaque from 4 million to 1 million, and how does 6 million minus 3 million still equal 6 million?  Holocaust math is Madoff math.  If you believe Jewish fairy tales, you’re a sucker.
By Kokanee on 04-07-10 @ 11:43 am
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I am sure that a fine country like Iran would gladly take you in. So take your rhetoric elsewhere. My grandfather was in on the liberation and in his dying days recounted the horrific situation so you are calling my grandfather and all the others that witnessed this atrocity liars.
By RealDeal on 04-07-10 @ 12:12 pm
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Statements made by someone like jeronimus show the ignorant,uneducated,out of date rhetoric passed down from racist,bigoted,uneducated people.  To think that the holocaust is a jewish fairy tale tells all.  Mainstream germans are embarrassed by the nazis to this day.  Newsreel footage and eyes on the ground accounts told of the atrocities.  It’s to bad that people like this can’t focus on the reality of the world instead of 65 year old outdated rhetoric that failed.
By C.M.E.C. on 04-07-10 @ 2:28 pm
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My family is German. My parents grew up in Germany during the war and my grandfather was a Nazi soldier. None of my relatives deny that the Holocaust happened!!!  Germans know better.  My brother-in-law, who is Jewish, lost many of his family members during the Holocaust and our family is outraged that anyone would claim those deaths never happened. Germans own their responsibility. Who are these nuts who claim it never happened?
By GEBZS on 04-07-10 @ 5:53 pm
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While there may be differing opinions on the matter of the Holocaust, tolerance doesn’t mean just tolerance of other races, religions, etc.  To be truly tolerant of other people, one would also be tolerant of those who hold different beliefs, even if those beliefs are controversial.  One comment above included the statement “I will fight for your freedoms.”  I’m sure we all can appreciate that.  But don’t forget that those freedoms are for everyone in this nation, not just those who hold one particular belief set.

I guess I would only have two questions at this point:  People can openly and freely debate what happened in virtually every other war or conflict anywhere in the world and nobody so much as bats an eyelash, but if someone questions even just one tiny little thing about the Holocaust, everyone is up in arms calling “foul.”  Why is that?  Isn’t that part of freedom?
By Kokanee on 04-07-10 @ 6:40 pm
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Jeronimus said.
“We object to America being turned into a Jewish supremacist theocracy.  Challenging the Holocaust religion is very important to keeping America a free and secular country”.

How is this hatred spreading speak called dialogue? This is not about differing opinions this is about wanting hatred to spread and hurt another group. We have laws to protect people from the above type hatred. Your freedoms cease to exist when you promote the above type thought that initiates actions on others.
By dsrobins on 04-07-10 @ 7:21 pm
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All of us in our various communities in the valley owe a vote of thanks to Dan Testa and the Flathead Beacon for bringing to our attention the presence of this loathsome group of loonies who call themselves Pioneer Little Europe.  It’s no secret that there have always been some racist bigots in the area and more flocked in after federal and state authorities in Idaho shut down the concentration of American Nazis in the Coueur d’Alene area a few years ago.

Last summer, we learned that there’s another group calling itself the Creativity Movement.  One strongly suspects both of these groups are linked.

What really offends, however, is that the Kalispell Public Library, a taxpayer supported institution, has offered its premises as a venue for this latest gang of anti-semitic, white supremacist thugs to spread their vitriol and propaganda in our community.  At the very least, someone at the Library is guilty of extremely bad judgement.

The Holocaust is a proven fact.  Americans fought a war against Germany in part because of Hitler’s well known maltreatment of Jews in Germany.  We helped convene the Nuremburg trials which proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Nazis engaged in genocide against the Jews.  We sent justices of our own Supreme Court to preside over those trials and hand down the necessary verdicts which included death sentences for many Nazi leaders.

The reality of the Holocaust is not debatable.  The Kalispell Public Library leadership shames itself and our valley by allowing such obvious lies and propaganda to be uttered on its premises.
By April on 04-07-10 @ 10:04 pm
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In April 2007 the European Union agreed to set jail sentences up to three years for those who deny or trivialize the Holocaust.
But what does Holocaust denial really mean? Begin with the word Holocaust. The Holocaust (spelled with a capital H) refers to the killing of six million Jews by the Nazis during World War II. It is supposed to be the German’s “Final Solution” to the Jewish problem. Much of the systematic extermination was to have taken place in concentration camps by shooting, gassing, and burning alive innocent Jewish victims of the Third Reich.

People like Germar Rudolf, Ernst Zundel, and Bishop Williamson who do not believe this account and who dare to say so in public are reviled as bigots, anti-Semites, racists, and worse. Their alternate historical scenarios are not termed simply revisionist, but are demeaned as Holocaust denial. Rudolf and Zundel were shipped to Germany where they were tried, convicted, and sentenced to three and five years, respectively. Williamson may not be far behind.

Politicians deride Holocaust revisionist papers and conferences as “beyond the pale of international discourse and acceptable behavior.” Non-Zionist Jews who participate in such revisionism, like Rabbi Dovid Weiss of the Neturei Karta, are denounced as “self-haters” and are shunned and spat upon. Even Professor Norman Finkelstein, whose parents were both Holocaust survivors and who wrote the book, The Holocaust Industry, has been branded a Holocaust denier.

But putting aside the virile hate directed against those who question the veracity of the typical Holocaust narrative, what is it that these people believe and say at the risk of imprisonment and bodily harm? For most Holocaust revisionists or deniers if you prefer, their arguments boil down to three simple contentions:

1. Hitler’s “Final Solution” was intended to be ethnic cleansing, not extermination._2. There were no homicidal gas chambers used by the Third Reich._3. There were fewer than 6 million Jews killed of the 55 million who died in WWII.

Are these revisionist contentions so odious as to cause those who believe them to be reviled, beaten, and imprisoned? More importantly, is it possible that revisionist contentions are true, or even partially true, and that they are despised because they contradict the story of the Holocaust, a story which has been elevated to the level of a religion in hundreds of films, memorials, museums, and docu-dramas?
By April on 04-07-10 @ 10:05 pm
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Is it sacrilegious to ask, “If Hitler was intent on extermination, how did Elie Wiesel, his father, and two of his sisters survive the worst period of incarceration at Auschwitz?” Wiesel claims that people were thrown alive into burning pits, yet even the Israeli-trained guides at Auschwitz refute this claim.

Is it really “beyond international discourse” to question the efficacy and the forensic evidence of homicidal gas chambers? If other myths, like making soap from human fat, have been dismissed as Allied war propaganda, why is it “unacceptable behavior” to ask if the gas chamber at Dachau was not reconstructed by the Americans because no other homicidal gas chamber could be found and used as evidence at the Nuremburg trials?

For more than fifty years Jewish scholars have spent hundreds of millions of dollars to document each Jewish victim of the Nazi Holocaust. The Nazis were German, obsessed with paperwork and recordkeeping. Yet only 3 million names have been collected and many of them died of natural causes. So why is it heresy to doubt that fewer than 6 million Jews were murdered in the Second World War?

“Holocaust Denial” might be no more eccentric or no more criminal than claiming the earth is flat, except that the Holocaust itself has been used as the sword and shield in the quest to build a Jewish state between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, where even today over half the population is not Jewish.

The Holocaust narrative allows Yad Vashem, the finest Holocaust museum in the world, to repeat the mantra of “Never Forget” while it sits on Arab lands stolen from Ein Karem and overlooking the unmarked graves of Palestinians massacred by Jewish terrorists at Deir Yassin. It allows Elie Wiesel to boast of having worked for these same terrorists (as a journalist, not a fighter) while refusing to acknowledge, let alone apologize for, the war crimes his employer committed. It makes Jews the ultimate victim no matter how they dispossess or dehumanize or ethnically cleanse indigenous Palestinian people.

The Holocaust story eliminates any comparison of Ketziot or Gaza to the concentration camps they indeed are. It memorializes the resistance of Jews in the ghettos of Europe while steadfastly denying any comparison with the resistance of Palestinians in Hebron and throughout the West Bank. It allows claims that this year’s Hanukah Massacre in Gaza, with a kill ratio of 100 to one, was a “proportionate response” to Palestinian resistance to unending occupation.
By April on 04-07-10 @ 10:06 pm
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The Holocaust is used to silence critics of Israel in what the Jewish scholar, Marc Ellis, has called the ecumenical deal: you Christians look the other way while we bludgeon the Palestinians and build our Jewish state and we won’t remind you that Hitler was a good Catholic, a confirmed “soldier of Christ,” long before he was a bad Nazi.

The Holocaust narrative of systematic, industrialized extermination was an important neo-conservative tool to drive the United States into Iraq. The same neo-con ideologues, like Norman Podoretz, routinely compare Ahmadinejad to Hitler and Nazism with Islamofascism with the intent of driving us into Iran. The title of the recent Israeli conference at Yad Vashem made this crystal clear: “Holocaust Denial: Paving the Way to Genocide.”

“Remember the Holocaust” will be the battle cry of the next great clash of good (Judeo/Christian values) and evil (radical Islamic aggression) and those who question it must be demonized if not burned at the stake.

by Daniel McGowan
By Carlos on 04-07-10 @ 10:48 pm
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Eastern Europeans and Jews were forced into labor for the Reich.  They were moved from east to west ahead of the Russian Army as the war drew to a close.  There was little in the way of food and fresh water, for the Allies had bombed everything to damnation.  Conditions were unsanitary.  Typhus, which was already an enormous problem in Eastern Europe, spread and killed many.  Cholera killed many more.  The rampant spread of disease is what killed most who were sent to the work camps.

Why do we never hear of the 66 million Russians (see Solzhenitsyn) murdered by the Jewish Bolsheviks?

STALIN’S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews -
“We mustn’t forget that some of the greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish.”

Jewish communists, as Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Radek, who had been inciting revolution throughout Europe, and promised to invade and install their murderous sytem across the continent (see Trotsky), were Hitler’s real target.

The so-called Holocaust is a hoax perpetrated to supplant the real butchery and provide cover for the spread of Marxist doctrine in the West.  In the best style of Dutch Schultz, Bugsy Siegel, Arnold Rothstein, Meyer Lansky and Muder Incorporated, a global criminal syndicate was also hatched to extort money in perpetuity from Germany, its people, and anyone else who might be deemed by the extortionists as complicit in their tales of persecution.

I know.  I know.  It was a miracle!
By RealDeal on 04-07-10 @ 10:56 pm
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Hey april, you should take some ridilin.  You sound like an idiot that can’t put two words together.  Your banter makes you look like a complete ignorant moron.  Get real, there is no debate about the nazis and the jews.  We dealt with this years ago and the jury has made there decision.  The nazis exterminated the jews.  Are you so closeminded, dumb, ignorant, stupid, definately uneducated, backwards, that you look like an idiot that you can’t see it?  Get real, you are a dying breed.  Your ignorant beliefs are from a time in history that is long gone.  Why do ignorant people like you even keep going?  Your opinions don’t mean anything.  The banter falls on deaf ears.  Everyone with a brain knows about world war 2.  Why do you have to make your family and your ancestors look like complete ignorant,bigoted,racist, dipsticks.  Please get a life, your children deserve it.
By RealDeal on 04-07-10 @ 11:20 pm
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April you have a brother named carlos?  Are you sure you are ready for people to stereotype you and treat you like you talk?  Come on, people like you should just go back to the poor life you lead.  The rest of the world doesn’t need it.
By Kalispell Native on 04-08-10 @ 12:42 am
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For those of you not paying attention, April is April Gaede who has her daughters as an income stream as Prussian Blue (google it).  Carlos is an obvious acolyte.  Consider changing you ratings in case you were so gullible as to buy into their tripe,
By mongo on 04-08-10 @ 5:19 am
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people like April live their lives espousing hate and intolerance, yet anyone with even a fundamental understanding of the human condition knows their intolerance and hate is really just about themselves. don’t give her a forum to spread her filth. best advice: Ignore her posts and don’t feed the beast.
By Kron on 04-08-10 @ 5:54 am
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I find it hillarious to read so many pathetically disdainful, ignorant comments displayed by so many retards on this forum, all-out attacking people for any beliefs that contradict their brainwashed views of life. If you spastics opened your eyes for more than 2 seconds and actually decided to excericse the capabilities of your mind, then you’d actually embrace what these people are trying to tell you as truth and no longer be slaves to a retarded society.
By Kron on 04-08-10 @ 5:55 am
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I find it hillarious to read so many pathetically disdainful, ignorant comments displayed by so many retards on this forum, all-out attacking people for any beliefs that contradict their brainwashed views of life. If you spastics opened your eyes for more than 2 seconds and actually decided to exercise the capabilities of your mind, then you’d actually embrace what these people are trying to tell you as truth and no longer be slaves to a retarded society.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 7:07 am
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I think its important for any community to stand for the principles of public open dialogue.

As a moral society we must never forget the genocides of history.

The Soviet Union’s Marxist concentration camps killed 60 million people in the Gulags. The Nazi internment camps had, according to the Red Cross, 240,000 deaths from various causes, mostly Allied bombing related.

Auschwitz for example was a major synthetic oil refinery complex area in which many Jews from the Auschwitz camp were working. Those sythetic oil refineries were bombed by the USAAF multiple times in 1944-1945, tragically killing many Jews.

If our children are to prevent the tragedy of war, we must teach them the truth to prevent genocide.

I support the right to study history.

It is the Marxist Fascists of history, who try to forbid the free and open discussion of history.
By skyranch on 04-08-10 @ 7:07 am
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I suggest reading Richard Evans’ excellent book ” The Third Reich at War”. It is huge, but if it is too daunting, read just the first 100 pages for a horrific overview of what the Nazis did to the Jews, the mentally ill, babies born with birth defects in Germany.

And then there was the Polish invasion and the mind set of the Germans toward the Polish people. ( considered them sub-human and couldn’t kill them fast enough) That concept of not being able to kill all these folks fast enough was what brought about what is the creepiest part of the Third Reich…developing death vans and gas chambers. Before Zyklon B they pumped carbon monoxide as a means to exterminate. Zyklon B was initially invented as a pesticide, but was really efficient for inducing death in humans, also. Read the book, check the extensive footnotes. The author is anglo-saxon, and a professor at Cambridge University.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 7:16 am
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The Nazis never developed any gas vans and gas chambers, it was the Marxists.

Read Solzhenitsyn, he talks of the Marxist NKVD using gas vans to genocide Russians in the 1930’s.

The inventor of the gas trucks, which went into service in 1936, was a certain Berg, head of the Moscow economic division of the Marxist secret police the NKVD, forerunner of the KGB.

We cannot allow history to be distorted.
By Kal61 on 04-08-10 @ 7:18 am
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As a Flathead County tax paying citizen, I object to showing these films at the Flathead County Library. I have the right to object to this….just as this group of neo-nazis believe they have a right to show pro-nazi propganda.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 7:23 am
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We must teach our children the difference between propaganda and factual history.

Schindler’s List is loaded with non-facts. Udo Walendy has shown with photo stills from the film that the events in Schindler’s List were not possible based on the construction of the camp.

It’s is one thing to educate school children and another to subject them to the terrorism of non-truths.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 7:37 am
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I suggest reading Gulag Archipelago, Two : III-IV: Solzhenitsyn who wrote “That’s what our gas execution van consisted of…”

It was the Marxists who used the gas vans and gas chambers, way back in the 1930’s on political dissidents.

There is no evidence the Nazis used such methods of killing. Read about the USAAF bomb groups, they bombed the Auschwitz synthetic oil refineries, killing the Jews of Auschwitz, tragic yes.

I suggest reading Joseph Borkin’s “The crime and punishment of I.G. Farben”. New York: Barnes and Noble, 1997. xi, 250 pp.  It details the synthetic oil refinery complex of Auschwitz, which was full of Jews and bombed by the USAAF.

We cannot allow the crimes of the 1930 Marxists of the USSR to be fraudulently blamed on the Nazis of Germany, it is a distortion of history and will lead to more tragic genocide.
By skyranch on 04-08-10 @ 7:38 am
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Backpacker, the Nazis used gas vans to take patients from mental institutions for “a ride”. By January of 1940, 7700 people died that way. Victims were comprised of asylum inmates from Kosten, in the Wartheland, the physically handicapped, prostitutes from Gdingen and Gypsies from Preussich-Stargrad.

All in all some 12,000 were killed this way, but of course the gas chambers were more efficient.

General Eisenhower insisted that photographers take pictures when the camps were liberated. He said some would try to deny this. I think he meant the war criminals. He didn’t know the extent to which he was right.
By JGB on 04-08-10 @ 7:47 am
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I truly pity those who can not control themselves in these comment sections. You tend to be outraged by the acts of Americans expressing free speech and questioning historical events. Open civil debate is healthy and educational. To close our ears to others opinions dooms us to a life of believing only the best con men. It is historical fact that the Ann Frank diary was written in ball point pen, scientific research confirms this, these pens did not exists until after WWII, Today we ignore this fact. Blissful ignorance or just more convenient then changing history books? Yes there was an Ann Frank but the diary that was found years after the war is in question.  If you ask why this is, you are a hate monger or anti-Jew. You are also a criminal in many country’s that will have to serve a mandatory jail sentence. I have studied WWII history for many years I am of the age where I have known hundreds of WWII vets over the years Two of these men were there to liberate a camp, Their version of what they saw was “Typhoid fever and typhus was rampant in these camps, There was no food because the 8TH Air force bombed Germany into the stone age(no one had food) Bodies were burned to prevent the spread of disease”. I realize the Holocaust is a billion dollar a year business and yes bad things happened, bad things always happen in a time of war. thousands of the millions of murdered Indians had their heads cut off, and those heads can be found in the collections of America’s museums today. Only in recent years has there been an attempt to bring these remains to their people for proper burial. Test your knowledge- How many death camps were in Germany-O, How many German guards were in the camps-0, The camps were rum bu KOPO’s these were Jews overseeing the running of the camps. If it takes 24 hours to cremate one body today in a cremation oven of today’s technology at our funeral homes, how is it the Germans burned thousands a day in bread ovens? Oh wait don’t question these things the Government has told you all you are to now about this.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 7:54 am
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Skyranch,  are you aware that Auschwitz was a vital synthetic oil refinery complex and was bombed by multiple Allied bombing fleets?

That the Red Cross list of wartime deaths at the Auschwitz work camp was only 52,000? That was the Red Cross list.  You can’t make up deaths to terrorize children, it is inhumane.

Read the 456th USAAF bomb groups mission records about bombing the oil refineries at Auschwitz, in Polish spelled Oswiecim. The 456th bomb group and the Red Cross records both match.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 8:23 am
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The greatest genocide of the WW II era was the Marxist genocide in which

I suggest reading the excellent book: “Lethal Politics:  Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder”,
New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction Publishers, 1990
R.J. Rummel, University of Hawaii.

13 million were genocided by Marxists from 1941-1945 in the Gulag concentration camp system.

That is the largest genocide that occured during WW II. It was Marxists basically shutting up and genociding any political dissenters who spoke their free minds.

Never again can we allow the genocidal Marxists to murder millions of people.

We must educate our children so the world they make is free from genocidal Marxists. History will stand. History must stand.
By inthemiddle on 04-08-10 @ 8:27 am
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What scares me is that we have people like April, Backpacker,JGB,Kron and Carlos living in our area. What entices them to move here of all places, and what should we do as a community to change this? Yes free and open debate needs to be allowed, but these people are spreading dangerous propaganda that needs to be refuted.Once these type start moving to an area its hard to stop them. Look at Hayden Lake, before the nazi skinheads and white supremecists moved there it was a very nice area, now even though most of them are gone most people still think of it as a nazi enclave.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 8:31 am
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“dangerous propaganda that needs to be refuted.”

Credible refutation relies on fair rules of debate. Otherwise nobody believes it.

We need facts, not propaganda, that is what the whole discourse is about.
By Kal61 on 04-08-10 @ 8:46 am
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The bottom line is that this fanatical group is using our public library to try to recruit new members. This needs to be stopped. If the Flathead County Library supports the views of neo nazi groups, I will never step foot in there again. The library censors books they put on their shelves, why not this?
  Both of my Grandfathers fought the Germans in WW2. One for the British Army and one for the United States Army.
  I choose to live in this valley because I was BORN here, my family is here, my great-grandparents homesteaded here. NOT because I want to surround myself with all caucasian people.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 8:48 am
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“What entices them to move here of all places…”

Why did Solzhenitsyn go to rural Vermont?

Good people against Marxist genocide like the beauty of creation and nature.

Can we afford to allow a few radical extremist Marxists who promote genocide to come to our area and prevent free discussion, dangerous Marxist stifling of free speech which led to the genocide of 60 million Russians?

Solzhenitsyn loved Vermont for a reason, the beauty of Life.
By skyranch on 04-08-10 @ 8:58 am
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f there was synthetic oil production there it was ancillary. The Germans had a fuel shortage which was one of their many weaknesses in the war. Synthetic fuel production rose to 6.5 million tons in 1943 from 4 million four years earlier. Regarding your numbers from the Red Cross, from what records did they receive that info? German records were carefully altered to avoid retribution in tribunals should they lose the war and by 1944 they were pretty much playing CYA.
But I am sure I can’t convince you to read anything I have. Let me know where you got your material and I’ll look it up.
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By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 9:09 am
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“If there was synthetic oil production there it was ancillary.”

There were seven synthetic oil refineries at Auschwitz.

The frequent Allied bombings of seven other synthetic oil refineries near Auschwitz.

“New Evidence Concerning the Allies and Auschwitz .
by R Medoff” - 2001
Medoff, Rafael
muse.jhu.edu/journals/american_jewish_history

It was indeed a tragedy that the 456th bomb group of the USAAF repeatedly bombed the oil refineries at Auschwitz, where according to Joseph Borkin, Jews were forced to work in.

The Jews of Auschwitz died in 456th USAAF bomb group bomging raids, yes it was tragic, such is war.

But we should not allow a few Marxist extremists to go around to our schools to point the finger at children today, that is immoral.
By Billy on 04-08-10 @ 9:11 am
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Propaganda is definitely produced by both sides of this argument. First I would admit there are racists on every continent and in every country. The worst racists/bigots are the ones who stand on their beliefs no matter the evidence. The perpetuation of bigotry is achieved when one lie is supported by a vocal minority despite any evidence. Drowning out an argument with insults because you don’t like the message is a tool the liars use. Like in Animal Farm you can train sheep to speak your lies base on the belief that there is an unfounded hate against a group or tribe or religion. The worst of the bigots would say that NO other races or religion or belief system should be allowed in their community. I read about the historical events of the 20th and 21st century some of which have been deleted from the text books. I can make up my own mind about what I believe base on what the witnesses say, not what loud blabbermouths think they believe. I have listened and watched eyewitness to history by people who are come from more than one side. There is mostly confusion and the sheep (Like in Animal Farm) are persuaded by control freaks to rally against letting the results and theories of an historical investigation be heard.  What could possibly be the problem with letting people speak their minds. If there is no substance to what the speakers say; just prove their Lies instead of resorting to insults and name calling which is what is usually done by the real liars do.
By Billy on 04-08-10 @ 9:11 am
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Propaganda is definitely produced by both sides of this argument. First I would admit there are racists on every continent and in every country. The worst racists/bigots are the ones who stand on their beliefs no matter the evidence. The perpetuation of bigotry is achieved when one lie is supported by a vocal minority despite any evidence. Drowning out an argument with insults because you don’t like the message is a tool the liars use. Like in Animal Farm you can train sheep to speak your lies base on the belief that there is an unfounded hate against a group or tribe or religion. The worst of the bigots would say that NO other races or religion or belief system should be allowed in their community. I read about the historical events of the 20th and 21st century some of which have been deleted from the text books. I can make up my own mind about what I believe base on what the witnesses say, not what loud blabbermouths think they believe. I have listened and watched eyewitness to history by people who are come from more than one side. There is mostly confusion and the sheep (Like in Animal Farm) are persuaded by control freaks to rally against letting the results and theories of an historical investigation be heard.  What could possibly be the problem with letting people speak their minds. If there is no substance to what the speakers say; just prove their Lies instead of resorting to insults and name calling which is what is usually done by the real liars .
By Billy on 04-08-10 @ 9:13 am
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Propaganda is definitely produced by both sides of this argument. First I would admit there are racists on every continent and in every country. The worst racists/bigots are the ones who stand on their beliefs no matter the evidence. The perpetuation of bigotry is achieved when one lie is supported by a vocal minority despite any evidence. Drowning out an argument with insults because you don’t like the message is a tool the liars use. Like in Animal Farm you can train sheep to speak your lies base on the belief that there is an unfounded hate against a group or tribe or religion. The worst of the bigots would say that NO other races or religion or belief system should be allowed in their community. I read about the historical events of the 20th and 21st century some of which have been deleted from the text books. I can make up my own mind about what I believe base on what the witnesses say, not what loud blabbermouths think they believe. I have listened and watched eyewitness to history by people who are come from more than one side. There is mostly confusion and the sheep (Like in Animal Farm) are persuaded by control freaks to rally against letting the results and theories of an historical investigation be heard.  What could possibly be the problem with letting people speak their minds. If there is no substance to what the speakers say; just prove their Lies instead of resorting to insults and name calling which is usual.
By David E on 04-08-10 @ 9:28 am
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Some of you ask why this group is allowed to use the public library to preach hate. Go back to 1964 and the civil rights act. A Black man fought and died for the rights of all Americans even those who make hate, racism and ignorance their life s work. It is better to have them out in the open so we know who they are than have them hiding in what ever hole they crawled out of. These people embody pure evil and if you have ever doubted that evil exists, it is now exposed to the light. I don’t live in the Flathead because demographically it is 96 % white. I live here because it is 96% decent people. Like most of my neighbors I would trade this group of racists for more cultural diversity. Oh I would suggest any one of you white supremacist go pay for a DNA test to see where your ancestry really comes from. And then go there.
By Billy on 04-08-10 @ 9:34 am
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Pure evil is a good place to start the understanding as to why the world has been turned into a bloodbath. This is going to be a great source of how the real bigots attempt to marginalize and refute an argument by using insults and defamation. I am working on a list of the vile incantations so by all means keep the hate speech rolling.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 9:36 am
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“Regarding your numbers from the Red Cross, from what records did they receive that info? German records were carefully altered “

Red Cross records at Arolsen archives show original German typewriter documents, which can’t be altered.

Birth records of actual Jewish names show only 150,000 German Jews who perished during WW II and were associated with any work camp. These names were published in 2006.

“Germany Updates Official List of Jews Killed in Holocaust”
2006-05-08 23:27:07
Xinhua, China news agency.

150,000 Jews, not 6,000,000, and none by “gasing”.

The alleged Holocaust of “gasings” was by all existing evidence not a fact. Jews died in WW II, largely by Allied bombing of the German industrial factories and synthetic oil refineries.

As Mel Gibson said on ABC Television “Many died in WW II” in response to Diane Sawyer demanding he recognize the “Holocaust”.

Mel Gibson is loved by many people. As humanitarians, we have to see the many people, of all different races, who died in WW II, no race is “above” the others in their suffering.
By Billy on 04-08-10 @ 9:43 am
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Backpacker; You won’t convince those who have been indoctrinated from birth, the error in their thinking. But there are enough of us who love free speech that the reality that has been buried under their concerted effort is crumbling.
By Dan Testa on 04-08-10 @ 9:46 am
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I corrected the above story to reflect that April Gaede objected to “Schindler’s List” being described as a documentary.
By Kokanee on 04-08-10 @ 9:52 am
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Let’s see how can I get this thread shut down !!!!!!
By Kal61 on 04-08-10 @ 10:01 am
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Go for it, Kokanee!
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 10:05 am
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Kokanee: “Let’s see how can I get this thread shut down !!!!!!”

Dogma or Discussion is commonly debated.

The evidence does show that 150,000 Jews died in WW II, largely from Allied bombing. But many other racial groups died in WW II.

Why should one racial group demand their suffering is greater than any other racial group? Is that not the definition of supremacist? To say your racial group has suffered more and thus is due more?

We need a fair an equal balance in our school history courses. Our children deserve it.
By Billy on 04-08-10 @ 10:13 am
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We all have a role in history. The Book of Life is for all men. We have free will to chose which role.

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
By Kokanee on 04-08-10 @ 10:23 am
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Your children need to be taken away!! You outright make up stories then call them fact just because they were written does mean that they are true or for that matter even close.

Your inbred ideologies are showing the only way you can perpetrate these fallacies is by brainwashing each other and your children, they should be taken away from you idiots and you should be forced to spend a year in these death camp memorials cataloging this genocide.

How utterly moronic to deny this atrocity when it has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt. These criminals were hunted down and you should be too. Again these beliefs are just fodder to instigate more hate and you should be considered terrorists against man for your incendiary remarks.
By Billy on 04-08-10 @ 10:29 am
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The biggest illusion is the existence of a Jewish People in the first place . The converted Tribes of West Central Asia are not a separate race of people.
By Billy on 04-08-10 @ 10:33 am
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The inbred ideologies are more descriptive of the self proclaimed Jews themselves.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 10:35 am
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Kokanee: “Your children need to be taken away!! You outright make up stories..”

Easy there the Marxists took children away.

Red Cross records show 52,000 died at the Aushwitz complex and none by “gasing”. They died when the 456th bomb group bombed the seven synthetic oil refineries at Auschwitz.

That was proven by Jewish author Joseph Borkin’s “The crime and punishment of I.G. Farben”. New York: Barnes and Noble, 1997. xi, 250 pp.

He specifically mentions the seven synthetic oil refineries at Auschwitz. Yes, reclutantly, in the last years of the war the Jews of Auschwitz were bombed as they slaved away in the synthetic oil refineries.

Tragic, yes, but let us teach our children the true measure of tragedy. 150,000 German Jews dead by Allied bombing is just as much a tragedy as a greater or lesser number.

Comparative genocide for schools is needed. How did the Allied bombing genocide of 150,00 Jews compare to the Marxist Gulag genocide of 60,000,000 Russians of various races?

Reason and comparison. Fair discussion of history. So the World can learn and become a better place for our Children.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 10:41 am
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Kokanee: “Again these beliefs are just fodder to instigate more hate “

Hate is created by the individual who hates, not by any other person.

That is like blaming the rape victim for “instigating” the rapist.

Place responsibility for hate upon the person who writes hate.
By Vud on 04-08-10 @ 10:46 am
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...I thought libraries were musty places where nothing exciting ever happened…
By Billy on 04-08-10 @ 10:47 am
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The liars always want their exposers to suffer and die. They want to stifle debate. They resort to name calling and unfortunately they do have their frothy mouthed haters on their side due to the indoctrination of the godless holohoaxers.
By skyranch on 04-08-10 @ 11:01 am
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Back packer, I went to you link and found an article for you. Here it is:
The Bombing of Auschwitz: Should It Have Been Attempted?
Moy, Timothy.
Technology and Culture, Volume 43, Number 3, July 2002, pp. 641-643 (Review)
DOI: 10.1353/tech.2002.0133

Bottom line? It was not.
By inthemiddle on 04-08-10 @ 11:06 am
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Billy explain the 70000 jews in the Warsaw getto that were exsterminated by the nazi scum. And thats what you are for even trying to explain away these attrocities. Take your hate to another community, its not welcome here. You are just like the recruits in the waffen SS, a bunch of little cowards blaming your lifes failures on others. Get some education and do some good with your life, as of right now you are nothing but a waste of oxygen.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 11:06 am
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Kokanee: “...you should be considered terrorists against man for your incendiary remarks.”

Reminds me of the Witchhunt, Inquisition and Marxist mentality. You can’t hold innocent people responsible for the threats of criminals.

Kokanee: “Your children need to be taken away!!”

History is history. The truth is eventually told. The greatest genocide of the last century was the Marxist genocide of 60 million White race people.

This is irrefutable.

“Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder”
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM

A civil society cannot use “terrorism” and threats to take away our children to silence free speech.  As a Community we must band together to stop the Marxist extremists and their highly dangerous hate speech.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 11:11 am
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Skyranch: “The Bombing of Auschwitz: Should It Have Been Attempted? Bottom line? It was not.”

The dormitory camp was not bombed, where they worked, the seven synthetic oil refineries were.

Bottom line, Auschwitz oil refineries were manned by Jews from the Auschwitz dormitory camp as slave labor, and were obviously killed in the bombings.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 11:19 am
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Skyranch: “The Bombing of Auschwitz: Should It Have Been Attempted? Bottom line? It was not.” The oil refineries at Auschwitz were manned by Jews from the Auschwitz dormitory camp.

“IG Farben cartel used slave labor to produce synthetic gasoline and oil. No Farben executives who set up the Auschwitz factories and prisoner camps for synthetic fuel and buna rubber manufacturing, etc.,  where 20,000 to 25,000 IG Farben workers died at their jobs,  was ever executed.” The Significance of IG Farben
for
Chemistry, Literature and Jews
J. I. Nelson, Ph.D., 2009.

456th bomb group bombed the Auschwitz synthetic oil refineries. 52,000 Auscwitz inmates are missing.
By Billy on 04-08-10 @ 11:26 am
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I’m tired of these bigoted so called Judeans and their brainwashed so called followers of the Judean-Christian philosophy trying to subvert our countrymen into helping them set up a murderous supremacist state in Palestine. The so called Christians need to take another look at Jesus’ warning about liars.
By Kal61 on 04-08-10 @ 11:31 am
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So…only 150,000 Jews were killed during WW2 and it was by allied bombing? No Jews were ever gassed by the Nazis. Explain all the Nazi’s own photographs of mountains of emancipated dead Jews..The Nazi photos of naked Jewish people waiting in line for their “showers”...(yeah, I know, you already said that was a delousing shower.mmmhhhmm.) The Nazi’s took more photographs of the crimes they were committing than the allies ever did. Are you going to tell us now that all those photos were propped? How about the ones that show the Jewish prisoners lined up in front of mass graves waiting to be shot in the back of the head? More props? What about all the Jews who survived the camps and told the world their stories?
  Type all you want. You’ll never make me a Nazi sympathizer.
By skyranch on 04-08-10 @ 11:36 am
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Google the name Sophie Scholl. Guillotined along with her brother at the age of 22 for passing out anti war leaflets. She was a Christian. The Nazis weren’t Christians. They were antichrist.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 11:40 am
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Kal61:“How about the ones that show the Jewish prisoners lined up in front of mass graves waiting to be shot in the back of the head?”

Udo Walendy showed all of those were forgeries. They were actually Soviet Marxists. shooting dissenters, years before.

Auschwitz was a complex of highly guarded synthetic oil refineries for I.G. Farben using Jewish slave labor from nearby dormitory camps.

“sprawling residential camp complexes were set up in the vicinity of all I.G. Farben plants.” And “Based on the most current research, a total of 51,445 prisoners of the KZ system and the Gestapo were used as forced laborers starting in 1942 in at least 23 locations of I.G. Farben and its many holding company subsidiaries. Their chances of survival varied greatly.”

Hayes, Peter: Industry and Ideology: IG Farben in the Nazi Era. Cambridge/New York: Cambridge UP, 1987.

http://www.wollheim-memorial.de/en/zwangsarbeit_en. It cannot rationally be claimed that Jews were kept only in camps but were also used as slave labor. The camps were built near vital industries, which were bombed repeatedly by Allied bombers. It can’t be both ways, claiming I.G. Farben slave labor reparations, but then saying Jews only stayed in the dormitory camps.

Reparations can’t be claimed for being outside the camp at one of the I.G. Farben synthetic oil refineries, yet at the same time being kept in a camp only. Its one or the other.

Ask the 456th bomb group if they repeatedly bombed the Auschwitz synthetic oil refineries. 12/26/1944, Flak, Oswiecim. http://www.456thbombgroup.org/ac_loss.html

The facts must be debated by school children so true history is learned. Tragedy of war must never be repeated again.
By Billy on 04-08-10 @ 11:50 am
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Holodomor, ?????????? (Ukrainian Famine/Genocide) - We Will Never Forget. There is no denying people were killed by nazi’s but let us not focus on the loudest and most organized disinformation campaign at the expense of a larger truth.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2215188960
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 11:56 am
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Kal61:“So…only 150,000 Jews were killed during WW2 and it was by allied bombing? Explain all the Nazi’s own photographs of mountains of emancipated dead Jews..”

The Allied bombing of Auschwitz oil refineries killed Jews outright, the remained died of typhus from Allied bombing of water canals, which cut sanitation. Some of the piles of dead bodies are German work camp internees, other photos have been proven to be mis-captioned and were photos of the Marxist USSR Gulag death camps.  We have to discuss openly, and without threats to children such as taking away their parents as some have said in this thread, freely, openly and in a polite and civil manner.

Most of the Auschwitz fraudulent photos and claims come from the Soviet Marxists, who has a storage of Gulag photos of starving people and who occupied Auschwitz.

Our Children deserve to know the actual truth about how people, including Jews, died in WW II. So 150,000 German Jews died in WW II, more Japanese died in a week in WW II. What gives one race the supreme power to destroy Western freedoms because they want to claim supreme victimhood so they can get reparations and money?
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 12:04 pm
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“So…only 150,000 Jews were killed during WW2 “. I wouldn’t say only, each Jewish life is precious. But in comparison to the mythical “6,000,000”, which was also claimed after WW I by the way, 150,000 is considerably less. It has to be put in context, many people suffered, died and survived WW II, Jews are not special. Their suffering in context was no greater than any other race’s suffering in WW II.  Let us teach our children in our schools, the meaning of Humanity. To not distort true genocide by falsifying and exaggerating the tragedy of war. Each person who died in WW II is deserves recognition. No group deserves to claim they should get more recognition than others. Fair is fair.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 12:14 pm
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Google the name Dorit Schmiel she was shot in the back escaping Marxist USSR. All she wanted was her Freedom.
By Billy on 04-08-10 @ 12:46 pm
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By inthemiddle on 04-08-10 @ 1:32 pm
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nazi freaks
By skyranch on 04-08-10 @ 1:37 pm
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Regarding Stalinist brutality, yes I won’t deny it. Don’t deny Nazi atrocities.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 1:43 pm
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The great tragedy of WW II was the Marxist genocide of 13 million people in the USSR.

The 200,000 or so total amount of Jews who died as a result of Allied bombing, either directly or indirectly, needs to be understood so that we can prevent war. There exists no actual Nazi statement of a plan to genocide Jews, that doesn’t exist even.

However we have Marxists genociding 60 million in the USSR and they have made actual statements for the intent to do so.

When compassion and humanity are all taken into consideration. Freedom of speech without oppressive Marxist extremists is what America and Kalispell stands for.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 1:49 pm
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“Regarding Stalinist brutality, yes I won’t deny it.”

The Gulags were started by Lenin. The census shows a loss of estimated 60 million people of several races.

Yet decent civil minded people don’t try to silence your voice. Good people don’t try to stifle Freedom of Speech, an American value.
By Kal61 on 04-08-10 @ 2:03 pm
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Inthemiddle…........you said it all!!!
By Billy on 04-08-10 @ 3:28 pm
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Kokanee is an interesting case in point. As I listen to the internet Radio I hear the same topics brought up. Using CPS to take your children is the latest escapade in corporate child snatching. Former Georgia State Senator Nancy Schaefer would be a source of info on this racket that involves government contractors and slave trafficing. Google her name.
Kokanee might be implanting justification for the out of control predators.
Some of his trigger words.

children need to be taken away
make up stories
inbred ideologie,
you idiots
forced to
death camp
genocide.
deny atrocity
proven beyond a shadow of doubt.
hunted down
instigate hate
considered terrorists
incendiary remarks.
By David E on 04-08-10 @ 3:29 pm
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I think it is just great that these NAZI’s showed up in public. I think it is even greater that they got press. I think it is great that any time someone anywhere in the world Googles one of their names they will be linked to and identified as NAZIS. Isn’t the internet and the trail it leaves wonderful.
By Billy on 04-08-10 @ 3:33 pm
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We are many they are few. We have love with us and you only have your logic. And you refuse to use it. You David E are the hater.
By Henry Vernon on 04-08-10 @ 5:05 pm
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See more of mad April Gaede - Google Video “Louis meets the Nazis.”

This Mark Weber guy no longer us a Holocaust denier. In a Jan 09 article he states that, “something happend to the Jews of Europe, because after the war the Jews had gone.”

Weber’s former denier friends call him a lazy, shiftless, I doldnt, non producer, who is running the IHR into the ground. They say he is using his position as a personal sinecure.

With April as a friend, who needs enemies.
By Carlos on 04-08-10 @ 5:58 pm
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I see they are spitting their venom, continuing their efforts to obscure the truth and benefit while doing so at the expense of innocents wherever “the Chosen” reside in great numbers.

The circumstance that should frighten the entire world is that Israel has nuclear weapons.  After all, the worst mass-murderers in recorded history are either Jewish or adherents to the Jewish Marxist ideology.
By ousel on 04-08-10 @ 6:05 pm
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Unlike Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, the government of the United States and the states does not determine what the citizens may read or see.  If the public library allows citizens to use it for meetings, it cannot discriminate against people who are stupid, ignorant or both.

In googling Karl Gharst, I found the following at the ADL site: Aryan Nations Member Arrested at Group’s Headquarters

“Posted: April 28, 2004

Karl Gharst, a member of the neo-Nazi group Aryan Nations, was arrested at the home of Aryan Nations founder Richard Butler in Hayden, Idaho, on April 20, 2004, for allegedly threatening to kill a social worker in Montana.

Gharst, 43, was charged in Flathead County, Montana with threatening and harassing an employee of the Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services, after the agency took custody of his children.  He faces up to 10 years in prison if convicted.

According to the criminal complaint, Gharst issued a series of threats to various employees at the agency from April through November 2001.  In one instance he warned a secretary to leave the building because “a group was forming in Kalispell to come in and gather up all the lesbians and mongrels and evil people.”

During one of several phone calls to the victim, Gharst identified himself as “a white man, [which] makes me a king.”  He went on to say that “all white people are kings and you are still a greasy turd-colored mongrel, a corruption, a racial hybrid, something god didn’t create and he is about to take care of business.”

In 2003, Gharst was one of three Aryan Nations members to run for public office in Hayden.  Gharst and Zachery Loren Beck ran for seats on the Hayden City Council and Aryan Nations’ leader, Richard Butler, ran for Mayor.  “After the election,” Gharst told a reporter, “We’ll teach the racial message from the Father and Creator.”  But all three lost their races—Gharst getting a mere 42 votes.”

What’s sad about these people is that what they are so proud of - the color of their skin - is something over which they had no control.
By dsrobins on 04-08-10 @ 6:31 pm
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Thank you, Ousel, for posting that good bit on online research regarding Karl Gharst.  Now I recall those articles well.  In my earlier comments, I described Pioneer Little Europe and the Creativity movement as loathsome.  Indeed, they are, as your posting reminds us all.
By Kokanee on 04-08-10 @ 7:06 pm
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I love ousel’s the way they dip and bob around streams finding tidbits of nourishment. It seems they have the same ability in technology. Good post.
By senator blutarski on 04-08-10 @ 7:22 pm
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Funny, I have read all three volumes of Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago several times and I don’t recall any mention of gas chambers of any kind. By the way there is no volume 4. Anti Semites have a tendency to make up ‘facts’ as they go along. I have also personally talked with two WW2 vets who liberated one of the Nazi’s camps. Try spouting your distortions and lies to eyewitnesses and see where it gets you. Holocaust deniers are the worst kind of vermin! I am constantly amazed that any sane person would believe their lies and outright distortions of history for their own hateful ends.
By kalispelling bee on 04-08-10 @ 8:05 pm
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Thanks, ousel. I forgot how I knew that guy’s name. I remember now. He made some incendiary comments in Flathead District Court about his court-appointed attorney or the prosecutor sounding Jewish or something. What a treat.
By Kalispell Native on 04-08-10 @ 8:39 pm
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If you look around at the ‘vho’ site that Seeker is so enamored with you will find that they specifically state that they engage in revisionism.  Such websites immediately have no credibility, IMHO.
By Kokanee on 04-08-10 @ 8:44 pm
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I took someones advice and googled this April and others WoW.
I cannot believe that much ignorance can come over the little wire that goes into the back of my computer.
By Billy on 04-08-10 @ 11:24 pm
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Are you going to try and get their kids removed?
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 11:41 pm
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“Funny, I have read all three volumes of Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago several times and I don’t recall any mention of gas chambers of any kind.”

Try reading page 91 of Solzhenitysn’s The Gulag Archipelago Two. He writes: “That’s what our gas execution van consisted of.”

Gas executions were first used by Marxists in the USSR against political dissenters. It’s funny how anti-Whites always lie and distort to hide the facts of history.
By Backpacker on 04-08-10 @ 11:50 pm
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Solzhenitsyn in Gulag Archipelago Two:

Page 463

The Marxist thought crime extremists put Gulag children, imprisoned for political crimes as young as the age of six.

Page 452

Besides physical suffering, Gulag children underwent severe de-moralization.

Page 370

The Marxist anti-White thought police genocided the `kulak’ families right down to tiny children, and they even wrote about it proudly in the newspapers.

Do this hateful bunch of Neo-Marxists in Kalispell now want to imprison children for political “thought crimes” as these same people did in the Marxist USSR? It would clearly seem so.

Neo Marxists don’t belong in Montana. We don’t want your neo marxist hate.
By Billy on 04-09-10 @ 12:01 am
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The treatment of the Kulaks by the collectivists is the same sort of threat we face today. They still hate every one and even themselves.
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 12:14 am
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Good points Billy. I think the question is what do we do with the neo marxists that want to ban Freedom and Liberty? We can expose them by explaining what they are about. Their talk is the dangerous talk of the genocide of 60 million in the USSR. Where does their neo marxist hate speech lead to? We’ve all seen this before.
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 12:19 am
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The Marxists took children away from their parents. It sound so similar to the tiny group of Neo Marxists in Montana who spew their hate of Whites.

The Marxists of the USSR wanted to take children away.

Kokanee: “Your children need to be taken away!!

Neo Marxist hate in Montana. Do we tolerate it?
By Billy on 04-09-10 @ 12:20 am
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What I would really like to not see; is a repeat of any genocide. We have our American Genocide Machine cranked up to full speed and 80% of our citizens are going to need socialism to survive since their pockets have been picked and the government literally sold the farm out from under them. Plus they are stupificated.
By Billy on 04-09-10 @ 12:22 am
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We have to tolerate it but that is the way for every one to see who they are.
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 12:28 am
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Unfortunately we have to tolerate the Neo Marxists. Even as their hate destroys our communities and leads us down the terrible path to Marxist genocide.
By Billy on 04-09-10 @ 12:34 am
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The bigger problem than the deniers is the Paedophileia and Slavery of children that goes on. The news, interviews and conferences are going on but mainstream media is not picking it up for what reason I wonder. There is a conference about concerned citizens of the British Isles and the CPS and the courts are being questioned about some very unsavory happenings. The story is from the eyewitnesses and if they aren’t all killed; the reality of corruption and conspiracy will be revealed. God willing. 
www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-for-Hollie-Greig/10150159813585484
By Billy on 04-09-10 @ 12:42 am
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See how far the rabbit hole goes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDDM5_opfpg&feature=channel
http://www.scottishbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/water-cooler-association-eden-springs/2597-disturbing-issue-all-sorts-levels.html
http://www.franklinscandal.com/
By skyranch on 04-09-10 @ 7:33 am
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Dear Ousel,

Thank you for your intelligent post regarding Gharst. He has more than used up his 15 minutes of fame. May his name fade from memory and his beliefs end up in the reject pile.
By Billy on 04-09-10 @ 10:19 am
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Every country has their own history. The History Makers sell more books that way. The revisionists were able to get into publishing and before the internet we had to get our news and textbooks pre -digested. We’re finally getting that poison out of our system.
By inthemiddle on 04-09-10 @ 10:20 am
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Seeker, why the hatred towards the Jewish people? Have you ever even met a person of the Jewish faith or ethnicity. World wide there are approximately 13 million people that are Jewish, that is about one out of every 5000 people. How is it possible even in your warped little mind that this small of a group could attain the power you imagine they have. Hatred is a terrible thing, if you are a believer in Christ you need to follow his teachings and rid yourself of this desease you have.Your personal failings are yours alone and no group or individual is responsible for that. To put it bluntly, you are the only reason that you are a loser.
By Billy on 04-09-10 @ 10:40 am
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Inthe middle. Where does seeker say he hates . The real haters try to place labels on the fact seekers because the truth is a terrible thing to hear about. Hate has nothing to do with it. Christ (Jesus) was a revealer of the truth and those who are hard hearted and stiff necked have a tough time expressing love but find it easy to ridicule and insult. The way the bible would express it would be for them to open their hearts and their minds. This would be a good time to see what the revealer says but the words would burn and prick the heart.
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 10:52 am
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No hate in our community, keep the Neo Marxists who want to ban free speech out. We cannot allow the genocidal hate of the marxists to enter our peaceful towns and try to stop American values of Free Speech and Free Thought.

The concentration camp Gulag marxists are a small fringe group in Kalispell who want to take away children and prevent the examination of history by using terrorism and threats to ban free thought which led to the genocide of 60 million people in the Soviet Union.

Never again can we allow Marxist Soviet anti-thought genocide to gain a foothold in our nations.
By Billy on 04-09-10 @ 10:57 am
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Do we need to separate the argument into two topics. Are the Jewish People in two groups or three or four? I wouldn’t want to confront peaceable people but feel the need to defend my self from the terror of a Holodomor Like, Christian Genocide. On that note we would need to believe men would conspire to do evil and that is beyond the fringe for shallow thinkers. More importantly than some phony hurt feelings is our vulnerable children in the hands of powerful paediphiles. 

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-for-Hollie-Greig/10150159813585484#!/pages/Justice-for-Hollie-Greig/10150159813585484?v=info

http://pauldrockton.gsradio.net:8080/040610.mp3

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By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 11:17 am
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Inthemiddle wrote: “Seeker, why the hatred towards the Jewish people?” Which is a lie.

The Seeker didn’t print any hate. He simply wrote: “The term denial is nonsensical, no revisionist denies, that Jews suffered during WW2, so that phrase is an attempt by organized, Jewry, in particular, to limit the scope of historical thought.” Organizing to limit thought is an action. Pointing out an action , a fact, of an organized group, is not hate.  The ones who hate are the ones who hate the truth. Let the truth be known and goodness comes to earth.
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 11:26 am
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Should we let the Neo Marxists of New York City come to our Valley to spewing their ignorance while refusing to come to grips with new facts about the alleged “Holocaust”, most of the photos of which were misapporpriated from the Soviet Gulags, is a hallmark of the Salem Witch trials.

If you want to start a school course in Comparative Genocide, you should begin to readL R.J. Rummel. “Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder”
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM
New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction Publishers, 1990

Our Kalispell children deserve a fair and balanced education on the history of Genocide. Comparative Genocide Studies.

Stop the Neo Marxist Jewish Supremacist hate in our towns. We cannot allow a small fringe group of extremist neo marxists to intimidate our library, our school, our community. This is not what America stands for.
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 11:35 am
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There are many Jewish people who challenge to Jewish Supremacists. The extremist Jews enforced Marxism, the “Holocaust” Myth, and the current PNAC “War on Terror”.

The extremist fringe Jews keep fighting to keep the average Jews and all the other races in line. That is the true battle for Free Speech going on.
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 11:46 am
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We need to confront neo Marxist hate with protest signs that read: “61,911,000 Genocide Victims of Marxism”, “Stop the Hate”, and “No Hate on This Street”.

Once the neo Marxists gain a foothold in our small towns, we begin to go down the path to genocide.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM
The Marxist extremists want to make historical study a Heresy. They want to make it Heretical.

In this thread the neo Marxists have threatened, intimidated, and said:
Kokanee: “Your children need to be taken away!!
By Billy on 04-09-10 @ 11:47 am
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So it seems the Jewish People themselves are the first victims as they become the protectors of an Atheist inner circle who perpetuate the notion that they are a people chosen by God and they must in every case, defend the core, so they are always at war?  That’s a question? What would be their motive to blindly deny and never investigate? They can’t handle the truth? Whats the big deal. We all need to recognize our weakness and move on with a peaceful attitude. It’s not hate.
By Kokanee on 04-09-10 @ 11:56 am
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Here is a good documentary on April’s views.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR76l9mWVow
By Billy on 04-09-10 @ 12:03 pm
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Backpacker has a good site here also. It is on analytical approaches to the complex variety and interconnections of social and international relations. A bit too much for slow readers. 
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 12:04 pm
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Your personal issues negate the broader interests of the community. We are discussing the library and the taxpayer mandate of the library to offer historical perspectives and not censor certain historical facts to assuage a fringe rabid neo Marxist group of extremists who want to ban free speech. The public tax money can’t be dictated by a neo Marxist fringe minority.
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 12:10 pm
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My previous post was referencing Kokanee’s post.

Kookanee, your focus on April is a detriment to the community and what we stand for. The right to abide by the truth of history. All of Montana stands for Freedom. Trying to deny taxpayer money to fit your neo Marxist Witch Hunt agenda against a family, is against what Kalispell and Montana stand for. You can’t censor history, this library censor battle defames your small group and denigrates all the other Jews who have to live with the label of your extremism now.
By Billy on 04-09-10 @ 12:13 pm
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One overlooked fact. The Moslems, The Christians, The Hebrews,  The Judeans, The Twelve Tribes of Israel, All faithful followers of Abraham are looking for the Messiah. He is the same Messiah because He comes from the One God we Monotheists believe in. Those who divide are not true to their faith. I leave room in the equation for wolves in sheeps clothing to pervert the truth.
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 12:28 pm
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There are racial Jews who converted to Islam.  Adam Pearlman was the first American to be charged with treason by the FBI since 1952. He was indicted in a US federal court under charges of treason and providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization for making al Qaeda propaganda videos.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/gadahn_a.htm
The average Jew doesn’t like the rabid extremist Marxist Jews who want to ban dissent on topics such as the alleged “Holocaust”.
By Kokanee on 04-09-10 @ 12:38 pm
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Well you all wear a veil of peaceful benign and thoughtful debate but when your veil starts to unravel the only thing behind it is hate. You all profess white superiority and demand reign as Kings and Queens because you are of pure blood and all of our genetics are “muddy”(improper breeding).

So yeah I have a problem with that, you will not inherit the earth as you would like to think, your claims of superiority will fall short on judgment day, whether by the hand of man or a higher power. The farce that you are building a community of kindred souls will fall apart just like Butlers did. Was working out of town and right below Ruby Ridge during the standoff Randy failed as did Butler your comfortable now but not for long.

Some of your people will come to their senses and will turn you all in for the criminal activities that are always associated with these groups and you will disband and move somewhere else.
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 12:40 pm
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We need raproachment and dialogue. The extremist neo Marxist group who have infected our Kalispell community do more harm to the Jewish community than good.

Threatening and trying to intimidate the library from exhibiting historical debate films does more harm to the image of the wider Montana Jewish community than benefit. We cannot allow the hate of the Marxists to get a foothold in our Valley and intimidate us.
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 12:44 pm
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The necessity of rapprochement and open dialogue is vital to the health of our community. We cannot allow a small neo marxist fringe group to dicate our library policy and where our tax money goes.
By Vud on 04-09-10 @ 12:49 pm
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FYI :

http://www.flatheadcountylibrary.org/PDF/policy/treatment.PDF


socialist, communist, marxist, neo- marxist, liberal, liberal-wingnut…

My Name-Tag is getting awfullly crowded here.
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 12:53 pm
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FYI

nazi was the first Name-Tag used here.
By Billy on 04-09-10 @ 12:55 pm
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A lot of the rhetoric as caused by the very people who want to divide us on racial/ethnic lines. The moneyed interests ( not necessarily semites ) with publishing on their sides had the upper hand until we were able to bypass the blockade of truth. The small voices have a larger audience and the suppression of free thinking and communication is at an end. Until a catastrophic event or the end of the internet; we will organize on a cyber level and try to stop the madness of perpetual war and convince people to avoid becoming part and parcel to the greatest armageddon.
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 1:07 pm
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Kokanee: ‘...your comfortable now but not for long.”

Which is similar to Jewish professor Noel Ignatiev whose stated objective is to “abolish the white race”.

Similar to the Jewish Marxist: USSR leader Applebaum-Zinoviev who happened to be born Jewish said: “From the population of a hundred million in Soviet Russia, we must win over ninety million to our side. We have nothing to say to the others. They have to be exterminated.”

The Jewish Marxist Applebaum-Zinoview
17 September 1918

George Leggett. The Cheka: Lenin’s Political Police Oxford University Press, 1986. ISBN 0198228627 page 114.

The Jewish Marxists genocided 61 million Russians of all races.
“Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder”
www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM

Do you mean that another Marxist genocide is coming? Is that a threat our valley community?
By Kokanee on 04-09-10 @ 1:10 pm
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Billy as far as I know you have divided yourselves on racial and ethnic lines. Is that not what separatists want.
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 1:11 pm
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Holocaust™ Debate Film Is Shown At Montana Public Library and Neo Marxists show up to protest it portraying everybody in the Jewish community to be rabidly against Feedom of Thought. Shame on you neo marxist extremists.
By Vud on 04-09-10 @ 1:19 pm
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Packer -

Don’t make me post the constitution.pdf.

It’s beginning to sound like you have an axis to grind.  smile
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 1:23 pm
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“Packer - Don’t make me post the constitution.pdf. It’s beginning to sound like you have an axis to grind. “

1776 and the US Constitution were fought for people to have Freedom of Thought and Speech.
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 1:26 pm
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Which defined America and the United States more: The 1776 Revolutionary War, which created the USA, or WW I which was a waste of American boy’s lives? Tell me which war defined our nation?

Reality Check.
By Carlos on 04-09-10 @ 1:31 pm
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Truth will prevail!
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 1:33 pm
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Because some Kalispell residents defend the US Constitution and the right of Free Speech, they are called ‘nazi’s” by neo marxists who say those who defend free speech should have their children taken away?

Kokanee: “Your children need to be taken away!!

How is that an American value?

Holocaust™ Debate Film Is Shown At Montana Public Library and the fringe rabid neo marxists attempt to violate the Civil Rights of an identifiable group of Americans.

Civil Rights attempted violation. 1st Amendment violation was attempted involving a local government, library, property.
By senator blutarski on 04-09-10 @ 1:43 pm
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Backpacker, Do you honestly believe that anyone who disagrees with your vile anti Semiticism is automatically a Marxist?
By Kokanee on 04-09-10 @ 1:50 pm
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Just like the Third Reich you will fail.
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 1:59 pm
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Since you asked the question, you should be the first to answer it: Do you believe everybody who is for Free Thought is a Nazi? In response to: “By senator blutarski on 04-09-10 ‘Backpacker, Do you honestly believe that anyone who disagrees with your vile anti Semiticism is automatically a Marxist?’”

So you must answer your own question, is everybody who defends Freedom of Thought a nazi?
By Backpacker on 04-09-10 @ 2:04 pm
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Just like the Jewish Marxist USSR, you will fail. In response to: “By Kokanee on 04-09-10

Just like the Third Reich you will fail.”

The Marxist USSR was largely created by Jewish Bolsheviks, they set up the Gulags to silence political dissenters and genocided 60 million Russians of all ethnic and racial groups.

Never Again can we allow such silencing of political and political-history dissent again. You are attempting to violate the Civil Rights of people as neo marxists do. In doing so you defame all the rest of the Jews with your extremism.
By Billy on 04-09-10 @ 2:05 pm
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If we read the origins of Hitler and the thule society of eugenicists we could consider there is a population reduction campaign going on. They brought some of the nazis to America to continue their enterprise (Mengele). The normal way to reduce population is pitting one group of idealist against the other. The idealist usually recruit soldiers by targeting their patriotism and creating a false flag event to mobilize them. The idealist could be phony and agents of a hidden agenda.
By MarkPotok on 04-09-10 @ 2:15 pm
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APRIL GAEDE IS AN UNSTABLE INDIVIDUAL WHO RELIES ON MEDICATION ON A DAILY BASIS. BE AWARE OF HER, MAYBE SHE SHOPS AT THE SAME SUPERMARKET YOU SHOP OR WORK IN THE SAME PLACE THAT YOU WORK. BE ON THE LOOK OUT. LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT HER MENTAL ILNESS.
By Vud on 04-09-10 @ 2:32 pm
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Packer -

“...Montana Public Library and Neo Marxists show up to protest…”

“1776 and the US Constitution were fought for people to have Freedom of Thought and Speech.”


Exactly !
By Hamburg on 04-09-10 @ 2:35 pm
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Ich bin ein Deutch (I am a German) I am proud of this. My father flew Me-262’s in the Luftwaffe the first jets used in combat, my Grandfather was in the Schutzstaffel (SS), His brother was in the Panzer Corps SS and both my Grandmothers brothers were in the SS, she had one brother killed in the the Kriegsmarine on a Unterseeboot (U-Boat), My mothers side of the family mostly served in the Kriegsmarine on Battleships. The point of the family history is this, this was a typical war time family in Germany during the war. The spirit of the German people was not unlike that of the American people during the war. I have had the rare opportunity to have long discussions with the men that were there. My Grand mothers Brother was at Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen, he served as a guard, he and many others were acquitted of any charges at both camps The conditions at these camps were crowded but not what the war time propaganda claimed, there are many photos of the camps but a decision was made that the pictures would not be released. They contradicted the photos and film footage used to keep the world enraged and supporting the war. There are those blurry pictures of the guard shooting a person in a pit. Germany’s war time photos were top quality not blurry pictures, Yes resistance members were shot, they were considered spies, America also shot their spies. that’s war.  The camps and work parties were overseen by sonderkommando ,Capos (Jewish prisoners). these prisoners were brutal to their fellow Jewish prisoners. The Germans rarely entered the camps. Towards the end of the war deaths from disease was out of control, the bodies had to be burned to keep the diseases from spreading. The liberation footage and pictures were posed by General IKE’S command. The bodies are only seen in the liberation propaganda. The early pictures show none of this. If the bodies were piled up like that and laying all over, there would have been no survivors not even the Germans in the neighboring towns. Simple Math, There are more alleged Holocaust victims then there were Juden in Europe before the war, ad those that left Europe, those that were released from the camps after the war and those alleged to have been killed and you come up with a number that is larger then the number that lived in Europe before the war. The Nazi party began in 1928 and lasted until 1945 with these camps numbering in the hundreds in Deutschland alone, if the intent was to wipe the Juden in Europe out, it would have been done in short order and if the Juden stayed while suspecting this was happening they would have been the biggest fools. Look into the death numbers of soldiers in the different battles then imagine how easy it would have been for the Germans to wipe out an unarmed group locked up in a camp. Germany’s technologies were the most advanced of the day, if they wanted the Juden gone they’d be gone.
By Kokanee on 04-09-10 @ 2:48 pm
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Here is some more links to the potential infection these people can bring.


http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/paranoia-as-patriotism/posse-comitatus.html

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/butler.asp?xpicked=2&item=2

Do we really need this extreme views possibly corrupting our children. During times of unrest,social or economic they recruit heavily. They look for people down and out and promise them work and a chance to belong. They are no better than Jim Jones I just wished I had more Kool_Aid
By Billy on 04-09-10 @ 3:24 pm
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There is more than one way to poison Kokanee. We need to be careful of them all.
By Kokanee on 04-09-10 @ 3:31 pm
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My mind was poisoned by far smarter men than yourself. I am more worried about the poison you all spew.
By Billy on 04-09-10 @ 3:43 pm
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I know.  http://www.rense.com/general90/impn.htm
By Kalispell Native on 04-09-10 @ 3:51 pm
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The screen name ‘Mark Potok’ is a vile ruse and repugnant impersonation of a known public figure.  Probably by one of these goofballs.  Mr. Potok is a respected member of the http://www.splcenter.org/ who is smart enough to not type in all CAPS and dignified enough not to stoop to such a mis-directing ploy.

The moderator should block that name from use.
By nam vet on 04-09-10 @ 4:20 pm
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I am impressed by many of the people making these comments.  There are many who understand the Bible much better than I.  I have a question - my pastor, good man though he may be, has always avoided answering.  When I am Resurrected and go to Heaven, will I have a body?  If so, what age will I be?  What about my father, who was cremated - will I see him with a body?  Thank you.
By Kokanee on 04-09-10 @ 4:36 pm
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Yeah Billy it is already working why I will not even eat a hot dog unless it is Kosher. LMAO
By NESSUS on 04-09-10 @ 5:28 pm
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It’s a darn shame we didn’t NUKE Germany too.
By Billy on 04-09-10 @ 5:53 pm
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I’m not sure if resurrection has only one meaning. I never see any preachers comment on this type of friendly exchange. What I would say to nam vet is use the link and it has a search function.
1Cr 15:44   It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 
http://www.blueletterbible.org/
By Backpacker on 04-10-10 @ 12:19 am
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A few Neo Marxists are trying to silence free speech. Ultimately how every Montana resident stands up morally for what is right and rebuffs neo Marxist terrorism will determine the character and quality of the people, and lives our children live.

The Holocaust™never occured as it is portrayed. Yes 150,000 to 200,000 Jews died, some in insurgent fighting, some in factories and oil refineries, some from typhus in the dormitories of work related camps.

Yet the most extremist of Jews try to exaggerate the deaths and when caught in the lie become embarrassed, hostile, abusive. Nobody is denying that Jews died, as many other races did, in WW II. However people of other races died to a far greater number.

The whole “hate speech” rhetoric is so similar to the Dark Ages and the talk of “heresy”, to inhibit and repress people’s thinking that its uncanny. Especially when the real haters employ harsh and abusive tactics. Demanding the authorities ban the truth.
By Backpacker on 04-10-10 @ 12:36 am
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Posted by Kokanee on 04-09-10:
“Do we really need this extreme views possibly corrupting our children.”

When Jewish workers were released from German work camp, only 1 in 200 said there was any undue persecution. If the Jews then being released in 1945 didn’t say anything, then obviously nothing untoward had been occuring. The Holocaust™wasn’t even mentioned in the Encyclopedia until more than 20 years after the events. Surely if photos existed, they would have been found within 15 years of occupation of Germany.
By Backpacker on 04-10-10 @ 1:04 am
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After the war, the Jewish professor of medicine Marc Klein had the following to say, among other things, about his imprisonment at Auschwitz:

“To the loud applause of the viewers, football, basketball and water ball games were held on Sunday afternoon: men need very little to distract them from the threat of danger! The SS administration allowed the prisoners regular pleasures, even on weekdays.”

M. Klein, Observations et Réflexions sur les camps de concentration nazis. Extrait de la revue “Etudes Germaniques”, Caen 1948, p. 31
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndGraf.html.
By Backpacker on 04-10-10 @ 1:19 am
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After the end of the war, Baum wrote his memoirs,[113] which appeared in three different editions (published in 1949, 1957, 1961). The first edition, published in 1949, states as follows on page 34:

“It is no exaggeration when I say that the majority of all Auschwitz propaganda, which was spread at that time all over the world, was written by ourselves in the camp.”

One page later, Baum raises the ante:

“We carried out this propaganda in [for] the world public until our very last day of presence in Auschwitz.”

Baum thus generously admits that the reports were resistance movement “propaganda”. In the next edition, published in 1957, however, he states:

“It is no exaggeration when I say that the greatest part of the publications on Auschwitz spread all over the world originated from ourselves [...] We informed the world in this manner until the very last day of our stay in Auschwitz.” (p. 89)

Widerstand in Auschwitz, East Berlin.
The German-Jewish Communist Bruno Baum
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndGraf.html

Even the Jewish workers of the Auschwitz synthetic oil refineries of I.G. Farben publish that they wrote propaganda about “evil” Auschwitz.

There is a lot that the Jewish Marxists such as Baum exposed about The Holocaust™ that extremists want silenced. The evidence is overwhelming that no Holocaust™ ever occured, that in fact Jews died as a result of Allied bombing.

Only the ignorant think a Holocaust™ occured. Even Jews themselves who were in Auschwitz published early on in the late 1940’s and 1950’s that no such organized genocide occured.
By Backpacker on 04-10-10 @ 1:31 am
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The Swiss writer Arthur Vogt has described the “Holocaust religion” very perceptively (14):

“First principle of faith: the Germans, as a race of criminals, have been cursed with eternal shame… Even their descendants bear the mark of Cain, merely because they are German… Second principle: There is only one salvation from this terrible guilt, and that is: constant acknowledgement and remorse for the crime. That is the reason for all the memorials and anniversaries… The Holocaust religion recognizes good works: this is why the German government must support the construction of Israel with billions of marks in so-called ‘reparations’. Personal atonement is performed by young Germans—for example, through the activities of the ‘Symbol of Reconciliation’—through taking care of the elderly in Israel or rebuilding crumbling walls at Auschwitz.

“So much money and effort have been invested in the Holocaust religion, and continue to be invested in it, that if the factual basis for it were found to be erroneous, it would be an incredible shock.

“Die Holocaust Religion”, in Aurora, Postfach 386, CH 8105 Regensdorf, double issue 11/12 (1996).
http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/juergen_graf.htm.
Return to the Dark Ages: Censorship is on the rise.
By Backpacker on 04-10-10 @ 1:43 am
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As a matter of fact, the Allied governments did not act as if they knew anything about “extermination camps”, neither at Auschwitz nor elsewhere. As late as in August 1943, the US secretary of state, Cordell Hall, instructed the US ambassador in Moscow to delete any mention of the gas chambers from a joint Allied declaration on “German crimes in Poland”, as there was no proof of their existence (Foreign Relations of the U.S., Diplomatic Papers, Washington 1963).

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/juergen_graf.htm

There was no Holocaust™. There was no gasing of six million Jews. 200,000 died directly and indirectly from Allied bombing. That was the tragedy. While 60 million Russians were genocided by Jewish Marxists during their reign of terror in the USSR.

Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder
www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM

Our Kalispell school children need to be taught the truth, who and what ideology leads to the greatest proven genocide in history. What is truly bad. The Truth is needed so the world can advance in Peace.
By skyranch on 04-10-10 @ 7:58 am
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well, I am sure there is no better source of credible information than the Gnostic Liberation Front.

Actually the upcoming film that will supposedly show a “kinder, gentler” Waffen SS should be good for a few laughs. Seriously…go and laugh, and laugh. Maybe that will send these folks back to Hayden Lake. Oh wait, they lost that in a civil suit. Idaho doesn’t want them and hopefully Montana doesn’t either.
By Hamburg on 04-10-10 @ 8:18 am
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Real deal wrote, “main stream Germans are embarrassed by the Nazi’s to this day”. You could not be more wrong, Americans of German descent may feel this way but they have had their heads filled with war propaganda to them in school.
  America fire bombed German cities over and over, Target: German civilians, Purpose: destroy German morale. As the war ended The Russian army raped every woman they found over and over regardless of age, gang raped by up to 30 Russian soldiers, they murdered German men as they surrendered for sport, the U.S. Military also shot and beat unarmed Germans as the attempted to surrender. The Russian Allies of the U.S. were murdering and raping through out the war not just as they advanced through Europe, not just the German Civilians. America turned a blind eye to this, After all it was war. America was one big slave labor camp in the 1800’s with the Blacks and until the 1960’s you still segregated them. You all but exterminated the Indians, Today they still live in the Ghetto’s (Reservations) you created for them. Germans may not discuss the war openly among non German’s, but when alone with other Germans the conversations are very different. De-Nazification at the end of the war meant if you did not say what the allies demanded, you were sent to camps in Russian zones or imprisoned and tortured certain death ether way. This included your families. It always amazes me when people try to speak as experts for a country they are not from with their only proof being, “I heard” or “I read”, especially when they don’t even have a clue about their own countries history. Maybe you should look into your own history, you still employ many of these so called Nazi Practices. Germany was the leader of technology during the war and after bringing America up to speed following the war. Your Information on the camps is wartime propaganda, today most of it has been proven as inaccurate, kept going by those profiting from it and those covering their own guilt. Today most Germans are proud of their history including WWII, they just won’t discuss it with hypocrites.
By Kokanee on 04-10-10 @ 9:38 am
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Well with my reputation as knuckle dragging neanderthal my first response to these posts was to verbally bash their little punctuation marks in tongue laugh. Now I am glad to have this forum to let the valley read what is lurking in our midst. There is an old saying though, for every rat you see in your corn crib there are 50 more you do not see.

So let them come out of the closet so we can count how many we have. That way we can apply the math to calculate how much Kool-Aid to buy. Do you think they filled out their census, do you think they pay their taxes, do you think they buy locally. How hard would it be to brand them with a swastika on the forehead so they can be identified much like the bar code tattoos that were given to a race of people under another regime.
By Kokanee on 04-10-10 @ 9:44 am
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By Backpacker on 04-09-10

Unfortunately we have to tolerate the Neo Marxists. Even as their hate destroys our communities and leads us down the terrible path to Marxist genocide.

BTW you do not have to tolerate me. Just make sure to turn the lights out as you leave thanks.
By kalispelling bee on 04-10-10 @ 11:07 am
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Hamburg: “Ich bin ein Deutch (I am a German) I am proud of this.”

If you’re so proud, you should bother to get it right. It is “Ich bin Deutscher” if you are male; “Ich bin Deutsche” if you are female. You can get away with “Ich bin “EIN” deutscher Doodiehead, which seems accurate for you.
By Hamburg on 04-10-10 @ 12:06 pm
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Hey thanks for pointing out the typo, I’m not that good at these computers, Oh by the way Spelling bee it’s “Ich bin ein Deutscher” for males and “Ich bin eine Deutsche” for females. High German VS. Slang

                        Guten Tag
By Backpacker on 04-10-10 @ 12:07 pm
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KokaneeL “How hard would it be to brand them with a swastika on the forehead so they can be identified “

That sounds like the Marxists who genocided 60 million people. Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder.
www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM
By Backpacker on 04-10-10 @ 12:20 pm
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Comparative Genocide studies: Jewish Ynet news from Israel: ““We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish. In his new, highly praised book “The War of the World, “Historian Niall Ferguson writes that no revolution in the history of mankind devoured its children with the same unrestrained appetite as did the Soviet revolution. In his book…”
[url]http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

If we are discussing and comparing genocide lets keep to the facts. That was in response to Skyrach wrote: “By skyranch on 04-10-10

well, I am sure there is no better source of credible information than…” Then you need to read Jewish columnists more.

Steven Plocker, columnist for Ynet news, Israel.

[url]http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
Enjoy the link to genocidal Israel Skyranch.
By Billy on 04-10-10 @ 12:22 pm
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The progression toward the Zionist Ultimate Vision can be seen in their progressive steps, starting with Napoleon’s dictums, through the three word wars envisioned by Albert Pike. Incrementally weakening the morality and the fibre of America with their pornographic culture of greed, arrogance and superiority to God. The last obstacle to victory remains the people of America. We who make up the mixture of all people who sought freedom and independence from they’re monetary enslavement.
By Backpacker on 04-10-10 @ 12:29 pm
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Actually you are confusing Hoch Deutsch (High German) with Platt Deutsch (Low German). Northern Germany such as Hamburg would speak in Platt Deutsch.

The greatest genocide of the 20th century was in the Marxist USSR. Even moderate humanitarian Jews in Israel are honest enough to admit there are some Jewish criminals.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
Steven Plocker, columnist for Ynet news, Israel.

When a few extremist rabid Marxist Jews who want to shut down Freedom and Thought, and try to invade our Peaceful Montana communities, they disparage the rest of the moderate Jews, and all of Humanity.

Blind ignorance and fear.
By Backpacker on 04-10-10 @ 12:57 pm
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Lets have a look at history:

Soviet Marxist Law: Adopted July 10, 1918:
http://www.ucc.ie/acad/appsoc/tmp_store/mia/Library/history/ussr/government/constitution/1918/index.htm

“22. The Russian Socialist Federated Soviet Republic, recognizing the equal rights of all citizens, irrespective of their racial or national connections, proclaims all privileges on this ground, as well as oppression of national minorities, to be contrary to the fundamental laws of the Republic.”

Violent Revolution Ended Soviet Marxism in the early 1990’s. The need to repress, imprison, silence, Gulag, the people of Russia to enforce the Soviet Law, caused the deaths of 60 million Russians, which eventually destroyed the Marxist experiment. Everybody remembers the Russian congress building on fire in 1991 during civil war.

Freedom is the opposite of forcing, dictating, that all the rights of the individual are abolished. Dictating that individuals cannot exist, that only mass slaves exist.

The Neo Marxists want to try to destroy individual rights, and this was tried in the USSR and it led to genocide and ultimate civil war and failure.

Neo Marxists will leave Kalispell, because the truth about them is being exposed.
By kalispelling bee on 04-10-10 @ 1:06 pm
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By Hamburg on 04-10-10

Hey thanks for pointing out the typo, I’m not that good at these computers, Oh by the way Spelling bee it’s “Ich bin ein Deutscher” for males and “Ich bin eine Deutsche” for females. High German VS. Slang

That wasn’t a typo or a computer problem. If you’re so proud of your heritage, treat the language with respect. “Ich bin ein Deutscher” is just as inaccurate as when Kennedy said, “Ich bin ein Berliner.” It’s as improper in German as “I seen you made a fool of yourself” is in English.
By Backpacker on 04-10-10 @ 1:12 pm
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The Cork College web page has been moved. The same information of the deadly Soviet law is here: www.departments.bucknell.edu/russian/const/1936toc.html

Read why the genocidal Marxist law failed. Read what the 1936 Marxist law stated: “

Chapter Five, Article 22 of the 1918 law was moved to Chapter Ten, Article 123 of the 1936 Soviet constitution which read: “ARTICLE 123. Equality of rights of citizens of the U.S.S.R., irrespective of their nationality or race, in all spheres of economic, state, cultural, social and political life, is an indefeasible law. Any direct or indirect restriction of the rights of, or, conversely, any establishment of direct or indirect privileges for, citizens on account of their race or nationality, as well as any advocacy of racial or national exclusiveness or hatred and contempt, is punishable by law.”

The Soviet Marxist Constitituion, 1936

http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/russian/const/36cons04.html#chap10

That Marxist law, in the evidence of history, caused the Gulags and the deaths of an estimated 60 million people of all races, primarily White race people.

What eventually occured, after enough dissenters were genocided, is the Soviet state declined and a civil war burned the Russian congress and the state ended.

The US Constitution guarantees individual rights in its unalterable Articles, contrary to the Marxist Soviet constitution.

We as Americans are obligated to stand up to defend the Articles of the US Constitution, the right of Freedom of Speech and Thought.
By Backpacker on 04-10-10 @ 1:27 pm
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None of us here are for genocide. We want to prevent genocide. What was the greatest genocide? The Marxist Genocide of 60 million Russians. What led to it? Abolishing free speech in the name of the 1918 and 1936 Soviet Marxist constitutions. All dissenters were murdered in the Gulags.

“when Kennedy said, “Ich bin ein Berliner.“ It’s as improper in German”

Kennedy was speaking to the World. He wanted his sentence to be understood by Germans and Americans. Communication is judged by its effectiveness. Hamburg is right in that roughly translated it does mean what he intended it to.

Do we want a few fringe Jewish Marxists to shut down free speech? Do we want our children to grow up in fear of what they say?

Are we as Montanans going to stand up strong and shout down the Marxists who try to infringe on, and violate our Civil Rights?
By Hamburg on 04-10-10 @ 3:34 pm
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The incredible DR.Josef Mengele was born March 1911 in Günzburg, Bavaria. Earned a PH.D in Anthroplogy in Munich in 37. In 38 he received his medical degree. He then joined the Schutzstaffel.In 40 he was in the Reserve Medical Korps with the 5th SS Panzergrenadier Division Wiking. In 1941 he was on the Ukrainian front, he received the Iron Cross 2nd class. In 42 he was serving with the SS-Viking Division behind Russian lines, he received the Iron Cross 1st Class and wound badge for pulling two soldiers out of a burning tank. He was also promoted to Hauptsturmführer. He was then assigned to the resettlement office in Berlin in 43. May 43 he arrives at Auschwitz-Birkenau, The history channel has repeatedly claimed he was the Chief Medical officer they are wrong the CMO was Standortarzt Eduard Wirths. Mengele spent just short of 2 years at Auschwitz-Birkenau. During those 2 years Mengele was referred to as “der weisse Engel” (“the White Angel”) do to his white smock. After the war he was referred to as the Angel of death in a book, it had more impact and now it’s fact. January 45 Mengele went to Groß Rosen camp in Lower Silesia, and May 2nd he joined a Wehrmacht medical unit. He was there until wars end. There is no record of any one claiming cruelty by Mengele after the war until after 1949, no one could even identify him, most released inmates had no memory of him. Most claims made in 1949 were claims he committed his crimes at Auschwitz in years he was not even there.What makes him amazing is he could be at 32 different camps in 16 countries at the same time. (He must of used the Concord). It took years to get their stories straight. He was often seen in South America doing experiments until 1986 even though he died there in 1979, Mengele and Elvis were just hanging out.
By Roark on 04-10-10 @ 5:21 pm
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Does this whole scenario really surprise anyone? Here we have a government entity, the library, showing a film that is contrary to factual history. That pretty much sums up the current state of the State these days; full of filth and lies - and paid for on the backs of taxpayers.
By Vud on 04-10-10 @ 5:43 pm
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Roark -

Was just in the library today - Saw all copies of Glenn B’s book (nice cover, Glenn ?!) were sitting on the shelves all alone…We could get rid of those as well ?
By ToadFish2334324 on 04-10-10 @ 5:55 pm
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I find it interesting that certain people, are so determined not to let anyone examine or discuss a certain event in history. What is going on?
By Roark on 04-10-10 @ 6:06 pm
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Vud, what point are you trying to make?
By Kokanee on 04-10-10 @ 7:39 pm
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Not to speak for Vud but Glenn Beck is ascending into the ranks of super morondom with Rush Limbaugh and cohorts. Glenn Beck must believe he is a prophet for the republican party. He absolutely sickens me with his theatrical blathering and on command tears, disgusting.
By Hamburg on 04-10-10 @ 8:02 pm
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The Warsaw Ghetto the largest had 380,000 residents, 100,000 died of disease 300,000 were sent to Treblinka followed by another 7000 and murdered there.42,000 were sent to other camps 56,000 were killed during the Ghetto uprising, 7000 died fighting and another 50,000 died from other causes including natural deaths. 10,000 escaped. Are you beginning to see the Madoff math?

It’s said six million Jews were killed during the Holocaust;

  Three million Jews are claimed killed in Poland in camps, They give us these numbers to support their claims. Chelmno (Kulmhof) 320,000 in gas vans another 25,000 by other means, Belzec 600,000 in gas chambers 36,000 by other means, Sobibor 200,000 by gas 14,000 by other means, Treblinka 700,000 by gas 43,000 by other means, Majdanek 1,380,000 by gas 9,000 by other means and Auschwitz 985,000 (Oswiecim). 500,000 killed in the Ghettos. 300,000 killed outside the camps and Ghetto’s. Must be that super advanced math. 

  Camps in other country’s, Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp system, 320,000 Jewish deaths at Dachau 35,000 Jewish deaths plus 20,000 Jewish deaths in sub-camps, 600,000 killed at Jasenovac, 65,0000 killed at Maly Trostenets extermination camp, a total of 100 more camps for 4,000-200,000 deaths each and 400,000 deaths not in camps. These numbers they give us don’t add up. Most of the information the world has on the polish camps comes from the Russians.

A few camps were used for propaganda purposes the bodies of typhus and typhoid dead were piled up in the common areas and on carts, local towns people were brought in and walked past the bodies. At the war crimes trials many of the Jewish prisoners that testified stated the camps were set up for photo ops and that at no time did the camps look that way during the war. Common sense; if the camps looked like they did in those pictures there would have been a plague in Europe that would have made the black plague pale in comparison.They also claimed that the SS men and women rarely entered the camp areas or mistreated them. most claims came years after the wars end. The camps were run internally by Kapos, wake up was at 5am, the inmates had 30 minutes to get ready, the inmates worked a 12 hour day in summer and 8 in the winter. Following work dinner (soup, bread and water) and at 930pm curfew. Their clothing consisted of a two piece stripped work fatigue set a winter coat and gloves and ear muffs and hat. They slept on long bunks in heated wood or coal barracks had an infirmary, an orchestra, a theater for plays, their own money a camp newspaper, beer rations until the ration lines were cut by allied bombing and that also cut the food and medicine rations. Non-Jewish inmates at these camps rarely supported the Jewish claims about the camps. Typical prison life in the 1940’s until the disease epidemics hit. Once the allies cut supply lines with 24 a day bombing the camps could not get food or medicine.
By inthemiddle on 04-10-10 @ 10:08 pm
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Hamburg, its always amazes me that people as stupid as you are even manage to exist. You make me really have doubts about Darwin’s Theories concerning the survival of the fittest. You completely ignore parts of history and then fabricate or misrepresent the rest.
nazi Germany’s final solution was for the total eradication of the Jewish people from the face of the earth. I can’t even imagine the amount of hate you carry around inside of you. You and your ilk discust me to the total core of my being. As a person who does believe in the existance of pure evil, I believe anyone who could even contemplate defending the actions of Hitler and his sick twisted cronnies, has a very special place in hell waiting for them. And in my opinion you can’t get there soon enough.
By Billy on 04-10-10 @ 10:32 pm
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We’ve all been lied to. We’ll just have to go on from here. Now that every one has had their say there is no hard feelings and we all learned some new viewpoints. It’s good to have all sides speak.
Plus I have a new news site.  People really are the same wherever you go. This article has some interesting comments.  www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
By Backpacker on 04-10-10 @ 11:36 pm
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Jews of Auschwitz themselves said in 1949 it was all propaganda.

After the end of the war, Baum wrote his memoirs,[113] which appeared in three different editions (published in 1949, 1957, 1961). The first edition, published in 1949, states as follows on page 34:

“It is no exaggeration when I say that the majority of all Auschwitz propaganda, which was spread at that time all over the world, was written by ourselves in the camp.“

Widerstand in Auschwitz, East Berlin.
The German-Jewish Communist Bruno Baum
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndGraf.html

When Jews say they did make propaganda, then their own hoax has limited credibility.

The government entity, the library, is showing a film that shows the facts of history.

Roark said: “Here we have a government entity, the library, showing a film that is contrary to factual history.”

The Jewish propaganda of The Holocaust™ Hoax was found out to be lies. Even as early as 1949 Jews themselves were saying it was propaganda and not true.

When the Jews in 1949 were saying it was a Hoax, why deny that?
By Backpacker on 04-11-10 @ 12:00 am
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By Kokanee on 04-08-10

“Let’s see how can I get this thread shut down !!!!!!”

Why? Are you afraid of the Truth?
By dsrobins on 04-11-10 @ 12:01 am
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Boy, this article and its comments really smoked the racist bigots, white supremacists and neo-nazis out from under the rocks where they spawn,  It’s almost frightening how many of them there apparently are, and these are only the ones who can afford computers and online services.  Most can’t.  I won’t call them insects, but their scurrying about here certainly reminds me of that awful movie called “Starship Troopers.”  Perhaps a stomping campaign is called for.
By Backpacker on 04-11-10 @ 12:11 am
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The Holocaust™ Hoax believers:

By Kokanee on 04-08-10

Your children need to be taken away!! ...and your children, they should be taken away from you…you should be forced ....These criminals were hunted down and you should be too. “

My Kokanee, feel the Love. The Neo Marxist genocidal views are really crawling out from under the rocks where they spawn.

Good to see the public now viewing what these neo marxists think.
By Backpacker on 04-11-10 @ 12:26 am
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The Nuremberg trials were in fact illegal. They took place on US Federal law jurisdiction, military occupied territory, but violated US Federal law procedure.

“By dsrobins on 04-07-10

The Holocaust is a proven fact. We helped convene the Nuremburg trials which…”

No, the Nuremberg trials didn’t follow US Federal judicial procedure, which was required of them.
By dr.neutral on 04-11-10 @ 4:34 am
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I am going to pretend I have never heard of the Holocaust, or Nazis. So far, from my assessment reading these comments, under this assumption, I would have to be swayed by the “Nazi-people”. The main reason why is they are offering facts, figures, statistics and links that bolster their view of this argument. Those who are apparently defending the truth of the Holocaust, are frankly acting childish and few are rebutting those who doubt the Holocaust with really any sense of debate or skill (some are, but they are the minority). What I mean by this is the almost canned reactions using ad nauseum words such as “evil”, “hateful”, or most expectantly “ignorant”. C’mon guys. You gotta do better if you wanna win the hearts and minds against a group of people who seem anything but “ignorant” in their defense of this topic and have obviously done their homework.

Back to reality. I do, for the most part, believe the Holocaust occurred. Always have; I mean, it’s been taught at school and it is still mentioned to this day on TV and in print. Hey, that was 65-70 years ago and I wasn’t there, so how can I really know? Doubtfully anybody reading this can. The Jewish people were definitely persecuted then. No doubt. But to be quite honest, now after reading the comments of those who do indeed doubt the Holocaust (the systematic deaths of 6m. Jews via shipment, gassing, then incineration) I too find myself digging deeper into their facts presented and their links, etc.

Let me say, very interesting stuff.
By JGB on 04-11-10 @ 7:10 am
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Wow, the education I’m getting in human behavior. I have to agree with dr. Neutral on the point of those opposed to free speech. You are losing the argument and really showing your true colors.True or not it is now the common belief and taught in schools that the Nazi’s banned free speech and allowed only their teachings in school with no debating it, they burned the books of those they did not agree with, they taunted the Jews with name calling and insults, they shouted them down when ever they attempted to state their case. Those in opposition to the open educational debate on the Holocaust congratulations, you have become what I was taught the Nazi party was all about. You are the true Nazi’s by my schools teachings. I read with interest comments by people like inthemiddle and laugh, You claim they are haters, you cannot convince people with endless name calling and rants and by backing outbursts with no facts just empty insults. I have read all of these posts and those in opposition to the group showing this film have called them Nazi’s and Neo-nazi’s but the group that showed the film have not mentioned this once, just a desire to look deeper into the history they were taught. Education means researching a topic thoroughly, back checking the stated fact’s and listening with an open mind and civil attitude to those with opposing view points. Only the uneducated react rather then discuss.
By skyranch on 04-11-10 @ 8:29 am
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Why did Leni Riefenstahl live to beyond 100? Was she afraid there might be a hell in which she would burn?
By Hamburg on 04-11-10 @ 9:32 am
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The Nazi party came into being as a anti-Marxist group, their purpose was to fight off the advancement of communism. they also opposed the Treaty of Versailles. The party grew out of smaller political groups 1918, a party called the Freier Ausschuss für einen deutschen Arbeiterfrieden (“Free Committee for a German Workers’ Peace”) was created in Bremen, Germany. The Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, (DAP)  stood against the Communist Party of Germany (KPD), The DAP believed Germany should become a unified “national community” (Volksgemeinschaft) rather than a society divided along class and party lines. Hitler became the DAP’s 55th member and received the number 555.  March 1932 Hitler ran for President against President Paul von Hindenburg, polling 30.1% in the first round and 36.8% in the second against Hindenburg’s 49 and 53%. The SA had 400,000 street battles with the KPD , German cities became combat zones. Hitler’s appeal to a frightened and demoralised middle class was his promise to restore law and order. Germans voted for Hitler primarily because of his promises to revive the economy and to restore German greatness and overturn the Treaty of Versailles, and to save Germany from communism. 20 July 1932 Reichstag election, polling 37.4% the NSDAP become the largest party in the Reichstag. The Nazis and the KPD between them won 52% of the vote and a majority of seats. Hoping to find a way out of this impasse President Hindenburg appoint Hitler Reich Chancellor January 1933. Hitler held a new election in March 1933 the Nazis dominated the election with 43.9% achieving a parliamentary majority (51.8%). The SA under Röhm’s leadership soon became a major problem for the party, this did not affect the personal standing of Hitler, who maintained a powerful hold over the the German people.June 1934, Hitler, using the SS and Gestapo under Himmler’s command have Röhm and others arrested for indecent conduct (Homosexual Acts).  1941,  Rudolf Walter Heß  flew a “peace mission” to Britain crashed in Scotland and was held in Spandau prison until his death in 1987 at 93. Hess attempt to negotiate peace and was given a lifelong imprisonment. The last one charged at Nuremberg to be held in prison. Charged with crimes against peace He was not found guilty of any war crimes. Following the release in 1966 of Baldur von Schirach and Albert Speer, Hess was the sole remaining inmate of Spandau Prison, at the insistence of the Soviets. The United States Bowed to it’s cold war enemy Russia.
By JGB on 04-11-10 @ 9:53 am
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We’ll stated and researched Seeker, we’re saying the same thing you just said it so much better. Kodos
By skyranch on 04-11-10 @ 12:18 pm
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Actually Hitler was infuriated by Rudolph Hess’s mission to the UK. The spin the Reich put out was that Hess had gone insane.The German people made a number of jokes about this, just as we do in political situations.

Here is one: Churchill asks Hess as he arrives at his office for an interview,“So, you’re the madman?”  Hess replies, “No, only his deputy.”  buddabing..buddaboom.
By Backpacker on 04-11-10 @ 12:39 pm
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Nuremberg trials violated Article I, section 9 of the US Constitution banning ex post facto law application. That is simply a fact.
www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec9.html

Confession by torture is inadmissable evidence in US Supreme Court rulings, Brown vs. Mississippi, 297 US 278 (1936)

American Criminal Procedure, Cases and Commentary, Stephen A. Saltzburg, 3rd edition, American Casebook Series, 1988 pp. 447-451.

http://www.codoh.info/trials/trihoess.html
The Nuremberg trials violated US Federal law and what the United States of America stands for.

Holocaust™ Hoax. It’s not what America stands for.
By Kokanee on 04-11-10 @ 3:49 pm
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Oh great wise seeker we bow before your feet, what will you have us do in the name of hate. Nazi Germany was all about cleansing the races that were not as pure as theirs, that’s fact.

You post your dribble, yes dribble and expect some intellectual debate, how can anyone debate with some one who’s whole purpose in life is to expand the hatred on the Jewish community. Their websites espouse hatred for Jews, Mexicans, Africans and so on. You are using this forum to show how you can be civilized ?? The whole time you are wondering how you can be rid of Jews.

You and your cohorts in the Nazi movement fool no one but yourselves. You talk about peaceful debate yet half of your “Nazi Nation is in prison. You are lucky to be living in a tolerant period in time 50 or 60 years ago you would have been rounded up and shipped out. You all have been run out of every town you set up in why stop here.
By Hamburg on 04-11-10 @ 5:15 pm
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Part 2
Nuremberg’s The Palace of Justice was chosen for two reasons 1. it was mostly undamaged, 2. Nuremberg was the Birthplace of the Nazi Party and the site of many early rallies. A perfect stage for the symbolic show. Each of the four countries America, France, Britain, and the Soviet Union provided one judge. Francis Biddle (American), Professor Henri Donnedieu de Vabres (French), Colonel Sir Geoffrey Lawrence (British)
By Hamburg on 04-11-10 @ 5:22 pm
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Part 1
  The Nuremberg Trials, prosecution of prominent members of the political, military, and economic leadership of Germany. The best known of these trials was the Trial of the Major War Criminals before the International Military Tribunal. The second set of trials of lesser war criminals was conducted under Control Council Law No. 10 at the US Nuremberg Military Tribunals including the Doctors’ Trial and the Judges’ Trial. British Cabinet documents, released on 2 January, 2006, have shown that as early as 1944, the Cabinet discussed their policy for the punishment of the leading Nazis if captured. British Prime Minister Winston Churchill had then advocated a policy of summary execution with the use of an Act of Attainder to dodge legal obstacles. Tehran Conference, the Soviet leader, Joseph Stalin, proposed executing 50,000–100,000 German staff officers. US President Franklin D. Roosevelt, joked that perhaps 49,000 would do. committed. President Roosevelt “said that he was bloodthirsty in regard to the Germans, and he hoped Marshal Stalin would the execution of 50,000 officers of the German Army.” The US Treasury Secretary, Henry Morgenthau, suggested a plan for the denazification of Germany;  known as the Morgenthau Plan. The plan advocated the forced de-industrialisation of Germany. Roosevelt supported this plan, and convinced Churchill to support it. Details leaked to the public, generating widespread protest. Roosevelt abandoned the plan, but did not adopt support for another position on the matter. The demise of the Morgenthau Plan created the need for another method of removing the Nazi leadership. The plan for the “Trial of European War Criminals” was created. Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson and the War Department.Roosevelt died in 1945. President Harry S. Truman, gave strong approval the plan for the trial. A series of negotiations between the US, Britain, the Soviet Union and France, details of the trial were worked out. London Charter, August 1945 established legal basis for the trial. 200 Germans defendants were tried at Nuremberg, 1,600 others were tried in other courts of Military Justice. The war crimes tribunal tried and punished personnel only from Axis countries. No war crimes by the Allies were heard even after multiple claims of Victor’s Justice were brought forward.  General Chuck Yeager wrote in his autobiography that some air corps missions were probably war crimes such as the “Shoot anything that moves missions over the German countryside”. Yeager and the other pilots, went on these missions to avoid a court martial for disobeying orders. He said he hoped the Allies won the war, otherwise they might be tried for war crimes. The unconditional surrender of Japanese and German armed forces led directly to the formation of the international tribunals. Usually,  wars end conditionally and treatment of suspected war criminals makes up part of the peace treaty.
By inthemiddle on 04-11-10 @ 5:54 pm
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The only mistake the allies made was allowing thousands of these criminals to escape to either North or South America.This is one case where the Russians were right.
By Flawless on 04-11-10 @ 6:22 pm
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So I decided that I would come to this forum under the assumption that some of the people that were protesting the showing of these films would come up with something more than just the thing they are so against; Prejudices.
As I am continually reading, it is disappointing me that all those opposed to the showing of these films are arguing the fact that we shouldn’t show these films, but have no real reason. If you are strong in your belief that you “know” what happened, that the Holocaust is real and that these films are bogus, THEN WHY, I ask do you care so much, if people such Gaede, Gharst, Grey or anyone else so chooses to educate the opposite point. If not for debate how would anyone find out they were wrong.
  I am not an advocate of either way actually; I will be the first to admit that I could use some historical education on the subject from both sides. I would welcome that, because as an educated woman I thirst for the truth. NOT the truth that you, my professors, or my text books tell me. But the irrefutable truth that comes from knowing all sides and finding absolute truth.
  I think it is wonderful that these films are being shown. I think that it gives anyone interested the opportunity to learn the other side. The world was once declared flat, and the VAST majority believed that. How can you condemn knowledge that you cannot prove is untrue, you are just to scared to look further into.
  I personally refuse to agree to anything I do not personally know to be true, is that not what education is, the pursuit of truth. I was disgusted when I read that people filled the seats to prevent people from becoming followers!!! Really?!? Do you truly believe that someone seeking knowledge of another sort is considered a follower? Would they not be more of a follower to just believe the commonly accepted truth?
  I will admit that I am also a little more than disappointed with some of the more radical opinions on this forum, you are educated people, that can, if put in a situation argue your point VERY effectively, don’t lower yourself to small language and uneducated rants. Speak your piece. There are many out there such as I who still thirst for their own truth, and not the cookie cutter version that has been presented.
  I have no doubt that what is called the “Holocaust” happened. That is truth, but he events that occurred, what happened, and everything in between is something that you must learn, educate yourself about before you speak out. Do not condemn those who have done the homework you have not.
By dsrobins on 04-11-10 @ 7:01 pm
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So now that we have this German linguistics issue settled, Hamburg in describing himself would say “Ich bin ein Hamburger.”  Do I have that right? 

Does it come with pickle, catsup and mustard?
By Hamburg on 04-11-10 @ 7:04 pm
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Part 3.
  General Iona Nikitchenko (Soviet Union). The Prosecutors were Hartley Shawcross, François de Menthon , Robert Jackson, General Roman Andreyevich Rudenko and Auguste Champetier de Ribes. The Tribunal started on October 18, 1945. It was presided over by Soviet judge. The prosecution entered indictments against the German General Staff and High Command. The indictments; 1. Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for a crime against peace 2. waging a war of aggression 3. War crimes 4. Crimes against humanity. The death sentences were carried out by hanging using the standard drop method which caused the condemned to die slowly from strangulation instead of quickly from a broken neck. The executioner was John C. Woods and the bodies were incinerated in Munich. Charges against the defendants were only defined as “crimes” after they were committed and therefore the trial was invalid. Chief Justice Harlan Fiske Stone called the Nuremberg trials a fraud. “Chief U.S. prosecutor wrote Jackson is conducting his lynching party in Nuremberg,” he wrote this is a fraud.  Jackson, in a letter discussing the the trial told President Truman that the Allies “have done or are doing some of the very things we are prosecuting the Germans for. The French are violating the Geneva Convention in the treatment of prisoners of war. We are prosecuting plunder and our Allies are practicing it. We say aggressive war is a crime and one of our allies asserts sovereignty over the Baltic States based on no title except conquest. Associate Supreme Court Justice William Douglas charged that the Allies were guilty of “substituting power for principle” at Nuremberg. “Law was created ex post facto to suit the passion and clamor of the time. The validity of the court has been questioned for a variety of reasons:
  1. The defendants were not allowed to appeal or affect the selection of judges. A. L. Goodhart, Professor at Oxford, opposed the view that, because the judges were appointed by the victors.
  One of the charges, brought against Keitel, Jodl, and Ribbentrop included conspiracy to commit aggression against Poland. The German-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact, proposed the partition of Poland between the Germans and the Soviets, Soviet leaders were not tried for being part of the same conspiracy. Instead, the Tribunal falsely proclaimed the Secret Protocols of the Non-Aggression Pact to be a forgery. Moreover,  Britain and Soviet Union were not tried for preparing and conducting the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran and the Winter War. The court agreed to relieve the Soviet leadership from attending these trials as war criminals in order to hide their crimes against war civilians, war crimes that were committed by their army that included “carving up Poland in 1939 and attacking Finland three months later.” This “exclusion request” was initiated by the Soviets and subsequently approved by the court’s administration.
By reborn on 04-11-10 @ 7:10 pm
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everyone has the right to free speech, no matter how horribly evil the speech. What we, who find these people disgusting have, is the right and obligation to do is speak out against their hate. By looking at the thumbs up and down counts these people are probably small, but organized (and probably a little too much free time on their hands). If you want to make a difference contribute to groups like the Montana Human Rights Network - http://www.mhrn.org/

Thanks to all the true christians who stood up against this. I would have been there with you, had I known about it. We need to get organized.
By Hamburg on 04-11-10 @ 7:22 pm
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General Omar Bradley had informed General George S. Patton that US troops had murdered roughly 50 to 70 prisoners in cold blood. Patton noted his response in his diary: “I told Bradley that it was probably an exaggeration, but in any case to tell the officer to certify that the dead men were snipers or had attempted to escape or something, as it would make a stink in the press and also would make the civilians mad. Anyhow, they are dead, so nothing can be done about it”  Hess was sent to England on a peace mission and this would have prevented a World war. He was kept in Prison to keep this a secret. There were four Americans involved with the Nuremberg trials that stated that they regretted being involved with the trials. Their opinion was that the trials were a criminal act and a scam intended to cover up the actions of the allies that could be considered war crimes. “The trial of the German High Command at Nuremberg was a staged performance and was intended to remove those that could later cause embarrassment for the Allied nations” U.S. Chief Justice 1945.
By Hamburg on 04-11-10 @ 8:08 pm
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My Reference source’s for the last 4 posts:
Tehran Conference: Tripartite Dinner Meeting November 29, 1943 Soviet Embassy, 8:30 PM

United States Department of State Foreign relations of the United States. Conferences at Malta and Yalta, 1945.

Trial of Otto Skorzeny and Others, General Military Government Court of the U.S. Zone of Germany, 18 August to 9 September 1947.

Chuck Yeager and Leo Janos (1986). Yeager, an Autobiography. Bantam.

“Yearbook of the International Law Commission, 1950”

Judgement : The Law Relating to War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity contained in the Avalon Project archive at Yale Law School.

Victors’ Justice (2009) by Danilo Zolo, Professor of Philosophy and Sociology of Law at the University of Florence. Institute for Historical Review,

Professor Nicholls of St. Antony’s College, Oxford, that “[t]he Nuremberg trials have not had a very good press. The are often depicted as a form of victors’ justice in which people were tried for crimes which did not exist in law when they committed them, such as conspiring to start a war.“Prof. Anthony Nicholls, University of Oxford

Minutes of 2nd meeting of BWCE and the Representatives of the USA. Kew, London: Lord Chancellor’s Office, Public Records Office. 21 June 1945.

San Diego State University, Political Science Department, referring to the ex post facto nature of the charges.

Avalon Project at the Yale Law School

“German Defense Team Clobbers Soviet Claims”. Nizkor.org. 1995-08-26. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/places/germany/nuremberg/ftp.py?places/germany/nuremberg/tusa/katyn-hearing. Retrieved 2009-04-04.

Judgement : The Law Relating to War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity in the Avalon Project archive at Yale Law School

The Trial of German Major War Criminals - Proceedings of the International Military Tribunal Sitting at Nuremberg Germany. 1 (20th November, 1945 - 1st December, 1945). London: His Majesty’s Stationery Office. 1946.

“International Military Tribunal, Judgment of the International Military Tribunal (1946)“Yale/avalon

Summary of the indictment in Department of State Bulletin, October 21, 1945,  “Bormann judgement”. avalon law yale
“Dönitz judgement”. avalon law yale
Judgement : Doenitz the Avalon Project at the Yale Law School
“Frank judgement” avalon law
“Frink judgement” avalon law yale
“Fritzsche judgement” avalon law yale
“Funk judgement” avalon law yale
By reborn on 04-11-10 @ 8:14 pm
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seeker - you don’t deserve any references and I wasn’t speaking to you..I have absolutely no interest in what you have to say.

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By JGB on 04-11-10 @ 9:17 pm
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Seeker I think you hurt reborn’s feelings, We’re supposed to show tolerance and only believe what they want us to. I was thinking about starting a W.E.T. White entertainment station on T.V. to offer fair competition to B.E.T. Black entertainment T.V. and maybe I’ll place a few grand in a trust fund and call it the United White man’s Fund to offer an alternative to the United Negro’s Fund.

OOPS, my wife just informed me that if whites start these types of organizations we are haters and we are also breaking the law. The company that makes the Native pride and the black pride bumper stickers won’t make the stickers for me stating I’m proud to be white something about it being hate speech if I’m white. They must Hate me for being white.

Kokanee

A couple of small facts for you, America had a very large Nazi movement that was excepted in main stream America in the late 30’s and into the 1940’s The American Nazi party was huge.and my history books say 50 or 60 years ago in America blacks were not allowed to drink from white fountains ride on white buses eat or drink in white bars or restaurants and if they were in a white neighborhood they had better be working and better be out of town by dark. A country that was 90% white and trying to stop free speech would get you a punch in the mouth, That era Kokanee? Another small but amusing fact, when Owens ran at the Olympics in Berlin Adolf Hitler was shocked to find out that the night Owens left the United States for Germany he was made to leave the hotel out the back door because he was black. Hitler had the top German runner an SS man meet with Owens the SS man and Owens became great friends and when Owens won he was congratulated by Hitler and to this day Owens name is engraved at the Olympic park on the review stands. Germany was allies with both Italy and Japan what Aryan race are they? There were Black troops serving as volunteers in the Africa Korps in North Africa, I can give you many many more examples but I wouldn’t want to hurt your feelings to.
By dsrobins on 04-11-10 @ 9:18 pm
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Our poor little Hamburger appears to have gone berserk.  Was it too much catsup or the mustard?  He claims Rudolph Hess was “sent” to Britain on a peace mission.  Totally untrue.  Hess had learned that Hitler was fed up with his quirks and erraticism and was preparing to replace him as Deputy Fuehrer with Hermann Goering.  Hess had also heard that Hitler was contemplating his arrest.  He simply fled, thinking the Brits would welcome him warmly and was dead wrong.

No more mustard for Hamburger.
By April on 04-11-10 @ 11:19 pm
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dsrobins Hess ” simply fled, thinking the Brits would welcome him warmly and was dead wrong”.....

Yeah, he was a defector, that’s the ticket, that is why they held him as a POW in Spandau Prison for 46 years….because he was trying to switch sides…..
By Backpacker on 04-11-10 @ 11:54 pm
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“By reborn on 04-11-10

What we, who find these people disgusting have, is the right and obligation to do is speak out against their hate.”

What hate has been posted? Everything has been factual. Do you consider facts to be “hate”?

All we are discussing is the alleged Holocaust™ never occured. The Holocaust™ requires the conscientious genocide by gasing of 6 million Jews. There was no actual statement of intent to genocide. There was no actual gasing. There was no 6 million deaths.

The Jewish Marxist Applebaum-Zinoviev however stated the intent of genocide in the history books:

“From the population of a hundred million in Soviet Russia, we must win over ninety million to our side. We have nothing to say to the others. They have to be exterminated.”

The Jewish Marxist Applebaum-Zinoview
17 September 1918

George Leggett. The Cheka: Lenin’s Political Police Oxford University Press, 1986. ISBN 0198228627 page 114.

The Jewish Marxists genocided 61 million Russians of all races.
“Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder”
www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM

There was no Holocaust™, there was a Holodomor.

In history no German has announced that Jews will be “exterminated”. In history a Jew, Applebaum-Zinoviev, has announced that Russians will be “exterminated”.

To falsely accuse Whites of a crime is in itself a crime under Western law. Those who are additionally attempting to deny the 1st Amendment Civil Rights of White people in the State of Montana, are committing a Federal crime.
By Backpacker on 04-12-10 @ 12:58 am
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“By Kokanee on 04-11-10

Nazi Germany was all about cleansing the races that were not as pure as theirs, that’s fact”

If that was a fact, then why did hundreds of Jews remain in Frankfurt at the close of WW II? If the Nazis wanted to exterminate all the Jews, why leave 600 Jews in their historic ghetto walking around Frankfurt in 1945?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/frankfurt.html.

Your logic has no basis in facts of history.

Germany never cleansed any other race from any land. Jews did in fact live freely in Germany up until the Allies invaded the cities. Hundreds of civilian Jews lived openly in Hamburg and on May 3, 1945 several hundred were openly, as civilians, still in Hamburg.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0008_0_08294.html.


The fact is over a million Russian soldiers defected to Germany, they hated the Jew Marxists who were genociding Russians.

“For fifty years, Soviet publications about World War II ignored the fundamental fact that more than a million of our countrymen fought on the German side.”

Today Russian authors confirm that the Russians who lived under German occupation were better off than those under Soviet rule

http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/1/Strauss63-69.html.
By Hamburg on 04-12-10 @ 5:43 am
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Hess’s Mission;  Göring Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Vol. 9,  Reports of Trials of War Criminals, Prepared by the United Nations War Crimes Commission. Records of the United States Nuremberg War Crimes Trials. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Service.  “On the Trail of Bogus Quotes”. Freedom From Religion Foundation, Inc. Wiesenthal Center, The Bormann letters: correspondence between Martin Bormann and his wife, University Microfilms International. In brief: Rudolf Hess, Deputy Führer and the number 3 man in Hitler’s Germany after Göring.  Sorry dsrobins but I do think I’ll go with these sources not yours and your second grade comments cause you a loss of any credibility to hold an intelligent conversation with the adults. Rudolf Hess born Egypt, April, 1894. Son of a exporter, volunteered for the Army in 1914 for World War One, Hess was wounded twice, He later became a pilot. After the war, Hess joined the Freikorps, an organization involved in putting down Communist uprisings in Germany. Hess studied political science at the University of Munich. Hess joined the Nazi Party, July, 1920. Hess brawled with Marxists who often violently attempted to disrupt Hitler’s speeches. Hess served as Hitler’s personal secretary in the Nazi Party. 1932, Hitler appointed him Chairman of the Central Political Commission of the Nazi Party and SS General for his loyal service. On April, 1933, he was made Deputy Führer. He was Reich Minister, member of the Secret Cabinet Council, and member of the Ministerial Council for Reich Defense. In 1939 Hess was even designated to be Hitler’s successor after Göring. Hess put on a Luftwaffe uniform and flew a German fighter plane alone toward Scotland on a ‘peace’ mission, May 10, 1941, just before the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union. Hess intended to see the Duke of Hamilton, who he had met briefly during the Berlin Olympics in 1936. With extra fuel tanks installed on the Messerschmitt ME-110, Hess, an expert flier, made the five hour, 900 mile flight across the North Sea and managed to navigate within 30 miles of the Duke’s residence near Glasgow, Scotland. At 6,000 feet Hess bailed out and parachuted safely to the ground then encountered a Scottish farmer and told him in English, “I have an important message for the Duke of Hamilton.” Hess was sent to convince the British Government that Hitler only wanted Lebensraum for the German people and had no wish to destroy a fellow ‘Nordic’ nation. Hess’s successor was Martin Bormann. In the courtroom he ended with a final speech - “It was granted me for many years to live and work under the greatest son whom my nation has brought forth in the thousand years of its history. Even if I could I would not expunge this period from my existence. I regret nothing. If I were standing once more at the beginning I should act once again as I did then, even if I knew that at the end I should be burnt at the stake”
By reborn on 04-12-10 @ 8:32 am
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JGB - no worries, my feelings aren’t hurt all. everyone has a right to free speech, not an expectation that people will actually want to hear what they have to say. You have no facts to share. Lies are lies, hate is hate. Period

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By Hamburg on 04-12-10 @ 9:05 am
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Martin Bormann- Sentenced to death in absentia
Karl Dönitz- 10 years, Leader of the Kriegsmarine President of Germany following Hitler’s death. found guilty of breaching the 1936 Second London Naval Treaty in the Atlantic -Chester Nimitz stated that unrestricted submarine warfare was carried on in the Pacific Ocean by the United States from the first day that nation entered the war.

Hans Frank-Death, Reich Law Leader 1933–1945 and Governor-General of the General Government in occupied Poland 1939–1945.

Wilhelm Frick-Death,    Hitler’s Minister of the Interior 1933–1943 and Reich Protector of Bohemia-Moravia 1943–1945.

Hans Fritzsche-  Acquitted,    Popular radio commentator; head of the news division of the Nazi Propaganda Ministry. Tried in place of Joseph Goebbels.

Walther Funk-Life Imprisonment, Hitler’s Minister of Economics; succeeded Schacht as head of the Reichsbank

Hermann Göring-Death, Reichsmarschall, Commander of the Luftwaffe 1935–1945

Rudolf Hess-Life Imprisonment

Alfred Jodl-Death, Wehrmacht Generaloberst, Keitel’s subordinate and Chief of the OKW’s Operations Division

Ernst Kaltenbrunner-Death, Chief of RSHA, Secret State Police and Criminal Police

Wilhelm Keitel-Death, Head of Oberkommando der Wehrmacht

Gustav Krupp - Medically unfit for trial, Major Nazi industrialist. Prosecutors attempted to substitute his son in the indictment.

Baron Konstantin von Neurath- 15 years, Minister of Foreign Affairs 1932–1938, succeeded by Ribbentrop. Later, Protector of Bohemia and Moravia 1939–43

Franz von Papen- Acquitted, Chancellor of Germany in 1932 and Vice-Chancellor under Hitler in 1933–1934. Ambassador to Austria 1934–38 and ambassador to Turkey 1939–1944. Although acquitted at Nuremberg, von Papen was reclassified as a war criminal in 1947 by a German de-Nazification court, and sentenced to eight years’ hard labour. He was acquitted following appeal after serving two years.

Erich Raeder-Life Imprisonment, Commander In Chief of the Kriegsmarine from 1928 until his retirement in 1943, succeeded by Dönitz.

Joachim von Ribbentrop-Death, Ambassador-Plenipotentiary 1935–1936. Ambassador to the United Kingdom 1936–1938. Nazi Minister of Foreign Affairs 1938–1945

Alfred Rosenberg-Death, Minister of the Eastern Occupied Territories

Fritz Sauckel -Death, Gauleiter of Thuringia 1927–1945

Dr. Hjalmar Schacht-Acquitted,    Prominent banker and economist. Pre-war president of the Reichsbank

Baldur von Schirach-20 years, Head of the Hitlerjugend from 1933 to 1940, Gauleiter of Vienna

Arthur Seyss-Inquart-Death, Reich Commissioner of the occupied Netherlands 1940–1945

Albert Speer-20 Years, Minister of Armaments from 1942 until the end of the war.

Julius Streicher-Death, Publisher of the weekly newspaper

As you can see Only one of the men tried at the Nuremberg Trials were involved in any camps.
By Hamburg on 04-12-10 @ 9:06 am
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Part II
  At Auschwitz-Birkenau There were 8000 SS Guards at the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trials 22 were charged Defendants ranged from members of the SS to kapos. Hessian Generalstaatsanwalt (State Attorney General) Fritz Bauer, himself interned in the concentration camp , led the prosecution. Only 22 of an estimated 6,000 to 8,000 SS members thought to have been involved in the administration and operation of the camp were charged.
Stefan Baretzki   Blockführer (block chief)    Life plus 8 years imprisonment
Emil Bednarek   Kapo   Life imprisonment
Wilhelm Boger   camp Gestapo   Life & 5 years imprisonment
Wilhelm Breitwieser   camp Häftlingsbekleidungskammer   Released
Perry Broad   camp Gestapo   4 years imprisonment
Viktor Capesius   pharmacist   9 years imprisonment
Klaus Dylewski   camp Gestapo   5 years imprisonment
Willi Frank   Head of SS dental station   7 years imprisonment
Emil Hantl   Sanitätsdienstgrad (medical orderly)    3½ years imprisonment
Karl-Friedrich Höcker   adjutant   7 years imprisonment
Franz-Johann Hofmann   Head of protective custody camp   Life imprisonment
Oswald Kaduk   Rapportführer (SS NCO)    Life imprisonment
Josef Klehr   medical orderly   Life & 15 years imprisonment
Dr. Franz Lucas   SS Obersturmführer   3 years, 3 months imprisonment
Robert Mulka   adjutant   14 years imprisonment
Gerhard Neubert   HKB Monovitz   Released
Hans Nierzwicki   HKB Auschwitz 1   Released
Willi Schatz   SS dentist   Acquitted & released
Herbert Scherpe   SS Oberscharführer   4½ years imprisonment
Bruno Schlage   SS Oberscharführer   6 years imprisonment
Johann Schobert   Political Division   Acquitted & released
Hans Stark   camp Gestapo   10 years imprisonment

Nuremberg vs. Auschwitz trials see a problem with the Holocaust theory if all this proof existed whats with the sentences.
By RealDeal on 04-12-10 @ 9:42 am
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65 years and 200 some odd comments later and the verdict is still the same.  The holocaust happened.  The nazis exterminated the jews.  Hitler died as he lived, with no honor, commiting suicide in a rat hole.
By JGB on 04-12-10 @ 10:26 am
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I can’t believe that reborn, kokanee and skyranch are even still trying to push their B.S. this forum has buried them in a mountain of facts and research, and they have not offered us one source or legitimate rebuttal.

Here’s a few more WWII bits of Info for you. America supplied China with war supply’s and even sent American pilots to fly the P-40 Warhawks (Flying Tiger AVG) against the Japanese before America was in the war It was These acts and the embargo placed on Japan that led to the bombing Pearl Harbor.

Britain Had a lend lease deal going with America For weapons, ships, planes and all other war supply’s. Today
we threaten Iran about supplying the terrorists with weapons. What do you think America would do if Iran started a Lend lease program with the Taliban.

America sent pilots to fly in the Battle of Britain against Germany prior to America’s entry into the war. German E-Boats pulled American pilots out of the English Channel on many occasions. August 26 1940 The RAF bombsthe German Capital of Berlin using 81 aircraft one of the RAF planes shot down was flown by an American. He bailed out was captured and shot by the SS. America was not at war with Germany at this time. This was the first bombing of civilians in cities. On Sept 7th the Luftwaffe retaliated by Bombing London. After this the bombing of cities by both sides became common place to destroy enemy morale.

“Operation Barbarossa” was a direct result to Russian violations of the Treaty of Non-Aggression between Germany and the Soviet Union In Poland France and finale in the Ukraine.

The Soviets also routinely violated its treaty with the U.S. In some cases American bombers that made emergency landings in Russia had their pilots imprisoned never to be seen again and the planes hidden and declared destroyed in crash landings only to turn up in the Cold War and be used against the United States.
By JGB on 04-12-10 @ 12:15 pm
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Yes Seeker, you are so right, but what is funnier yet is most of the evidence we have given them comes from the very sources they claim support their argument. If they just go back to the original sources they would be amazed to see just how bad the world has been duped. Legends, rumor, propaganda and hearsay always seen to trump eyewitnesses. The Holohoax has been growing since the release of the propaganda films in the early 50’s.
By Backpacker on 04-12-10 @ 2:37 pm
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But Jews say Jews are the biggest genociders of the 20th century, hard to believe it was printed, but read it:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
Steven Plocker, columnist for Ynet news, Israel.

“By reborn on 04-12-10
Lies are lies, hate is hate. Period

Fight antisemitism -  Montana Human Rights Network - http://www.mhrn.org/”

But Jews say Jews are the biggest genociders of the 20th century, hard to believe it was printed, but read it:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
Steven Plocker, columnist for Ynet news, Israel.
www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM

Learn about genocide. Meet, discuss, talk, share.
Unfortunately for all the nice average Jews, a few extremist neo-Marxist Jews have commited the most genocide in the history of mankind.

The extremist neo-Marxists want to deny genocide.
By Backpacker on 04-12-10 @ 2:57 pm
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Calling historical study “hate” is like a 9 year old calling Geometry “hate”. It is juvenile.

The neo-Marxist Montana “Human Rights” Network is actually abrogating the Human Rights of People to study and learn. Threatening, intimidating, harassing a person’s Civil Right to convene in a public library is against what Montana stands for.
By JGB on 04-12-10 @ 3:01 pm
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Hey are you guy’s some of those crazy weirdo’s that are trying to convince the people the earth is round and that it revolves around the sun?

I think Kokanee and the boys are giving us the silent treatment. I guess for them it must be less embarrassing than doing real research on the subject. If they did they’d find that some of the strongest defenders of Adolf Hitler were Jews. Ouch that’s just gotta sting.

Is that Montana Human Rights Network Group the same group that were basically run out of town here a few years ago when it was discovered they were not what they were representing themselves as? They say their about human rights but that never seems the case when it comes to free speech or freedom of the press or any other constitutional rights. It seems to be about handing money over to them so they can stop you from enjoying your rights.
By senator blutarski on 04-12-10 @ 4:17 pm
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Here we go with more of backpackers ‘Marxist’ Stalinist’ crap! I guess when you have no real credible evidence to back up you hitler worship you have to resort to infantile name calling. By the way the MHRN was never ‘run out of town’ as you put it. It would take a lot more than neo nazi wimps to frighten these decent people.
By Hamburg on 04-12-10 @ 5:03 pm
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Great I get off of work and you and there’s no kooks to agitate with facts. You made them think for themselves and that must hurt when you do it for the first time. Now what do we do? I’ve got so many great Schutzstaffel lessens for them and I’m only at the A’s in lessens about the camps. There’s the lessens on Adolf Hitler. The lessens about the Sicherheitsdienst-SD, Einsatzgruppen, Reichskommissar für die Festigung deutschen Volkstums-RKFDV, the spin on the “Final Solution” and of course there was Lebensborn the program where Himmler estimated that the SS could save at least 100,000 babies from being aborted during pregnancy. There’s the Evil deeds that Hitler committed such as Making sure that every German home had adequate Food to eat and coal for heat and how he made it illegal for someone to come in and take over you’re mortgage and through you out of your home. He provided a quality health care for all Germans. He gave Germans back to the Germans. He took the banks bank, built up the economy from one of the worst depressions, and created jobs for every one that wanted to work. Built up the Military and brought Germany to a technical level that would take the rest of the world 20 years to catch up with even when they brought in Germans after the war to work on projects such as the Jet program the Rocket program and medical achievements. Yes I said Medical, The research done by the Germans during the war including the research done by the SS-Totenkopfverbände was pioneered in Germany. SS-Wirtschafts Verwaltungshauptamt brought us some of the wonders we know today. Meine Ehre heißt Treue, Organisation der ehemaligen Nazi SS-Angehörigen SS-Gruppen West cotss. Hauptamt Dienststelle Heissmeyer
By JGB on 04-12-10 @ 5:59 pm
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Blutarski must be a real Senator only they can have piles of evidence put before them and still not see it. Wait did he just say the U.S. Courts, the military Courts and others of the same status, Yale and the other university and government legal records and research departments are not credible sources, He must be one of those Militia types. No I guess he can’t be, he starts his comment with a statement criticizing anti-communist thinking. In 1990’s the Montana human rights group name was mud in the Flathead, They reorganized in Kalispell at the KM BLD during the early days of the KGEZ (1997 or 8) controversy.  At the first community meeting, (A BLOND HAIRED, BLUE EYED, LIGHT SKINNED MAN- HE MUST HAVE BEEN EVIL) leading the meetings for the MHRN said that he did not know if it would be possible to start an office here as they had wore out there welcome in the valley.
By CSM101 on 04-13-10 @ 3:53 pm
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By MarkPotok on 04-09-10
“APRIL GAEDE IS AN UNSTABLE INDIVIDUAL WHO RELIES ON MEDICATION ON A DAILY BASIS. BE AWARE OF HER, MAYBE SHE SHOPS AT THE SAME SUPERMARKET YOU SHOP OR WORK IN THE SAME PLACE THAT YOU WORK. BE ON THE LOOK OUT. LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT HER MENTAL ILNESS.”

Please be advised that this comment originated from Mark Potok, a key figure in the Jewish-dominated Southern Poverty Law Center.  His (unsubstantiated) opinion regarding our friend, Mrs. Gaede, can hardly be taken as fact.  Please see below for Mr. Potok’s particulars:


Mark Potok is a key spokesman and director of publications and information for the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) in Montgomery, Alabama, a nonprofit organization that arose from the anti-segregation movement to counter extremism and hate crimes.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Potok - Cached
By CSM101 on 04-13-10 @ 3:57 pm
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This is the comment from Mark Potok, on 4-9-10:

APRIL GAEDE IS AN UNSTABLE INDIVIDUAL WHO RELIES ON MEDICATION ON A DAILY BASIS. BE AWARE OF HER, MAYBE SHE SHOPS AT THE SAME SUPERMARKET YOU SHOP OR WORK IN THE SAME PLACE THAT YOU WORK. BE ON THE LOOK OUT. LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT HER MENTAL ILNESS.
By JGB on 04-13-10 @ 4:04 pm
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Thought for today, God divided the races by color , Man has divided himself in an attempt to fix God’s mistake.
By Billy on 04-13-10 @ 10:06 pm
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He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with [their] eyes, nor understand with [their] heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
By Native on 04-14-10 @ 7:53 am
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The psychology of a holocaust denier is a very interesting topic.  Most experts agree that most denier’s feel victimized by the world-wide feeling of resentment and disgust towards these documented events.  They identify with the Nazi’s platform so they develop a kinship with their idealism and are delusional enough to eventually actually start believing that their fantasy is a reality. By congregating together and promoting their conspiracy theories, they give themselves a feeling of emotional validation for publicly expressing their refusal to be victimized by misinformation.  More simply put, these types of people use offensive platforms such as holocaust denial to cover up the fact that they suffer from near-debilitating insecurity & cowardice.  Just like Hitler, they want to rid the world of anyone that makes them feel uncomfortable but at the same time convince the populous that it is a just cause.  Its very sad.
By April on 04-14-10 @ 9:17 am
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Please note, Native is not a psychologist or a psychiatrist, he just plays one on the Flathead Beacon commentary section.
By April on 04-14-10 @ 9:38 am
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Native isn’t even someone with a command of any facts. He is spewing his opinion without citation of relevant studies, or any evidence of the “documented events” which he conveniently neglects to document. Their, of course, is plenty of documents relating to these events, which have been posted in order to establish what actually did happen. Having failed to argue with facts, these “conspiracy theorists” ignore published documents, preferring to engage in rumor, ad hominem attacks, name-calling, and censorship. While Native may not be an expert in anything, he is clearly trying to deny the rest of us the right to assess the facts by using these unsubstantiated allegations to divert attention from the real debate. Conspiracy theorists such as Native want the world to rely on 65 year-old, disproven propaganda, such as bars of soap are made from the fact of prisoners, or that “gysers of blood” shot through the ground, when in fact, this is a physical impossibility.
By skyranch on 04-14-10 @ 10:18 am
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Native is as much in command of any facts as the pack of spewers that cite “documentation” from other hate filled rags that publish misinformation as their neo-nazi party line. I will continue to take my information from reputable scholars and publishers and I would encourage anyone on the fence about this issue to do the same. Any group can publish hate rags. And and these jokers can recite chapter and verse of pseudo facts till they turn blue. I will stick with the tried and TRUE. Plus I met a survivor of those camps. But maybe SHE was lying, right? I am disgusted and through with this.
By April on 04-14-10 @ 10:57 am
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By skyranch on 04-14-10

Native is as much in command of any facts as the pack of spewers that cite “documentation” from other hate filled rags that publish misinformation as their neo-nazi party line. I will continue to take my information from reputable scholars and publishers and I would encourage anyone on the fence about this issue to do the same.

My Reference source’s for the last 4 posts:
Tehran Conference: Tripartite Dinner Meeting November 29, 1943 Soviet Embassy, 8:30 PM

United States Department of State Foreign relations of the United States. Conferences at Malta and Yalta, 1945.

Trial of Otto Skorzeny and Others, General Military Government Court of the U.S. Zone of Germany, 18 August to 9 September 1947.


“Yearbook of the International Law Commission, 1950”

Judgement : The Law Relating to War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity contained in the Avalon Project archive at Yale Law School.

Victors’ Justice (2009) by Danilo Zolo, Professor of Philosophy and Sociology of Law at the University of Florence. Institute for Historical Review,
Minutes of 2nd meeting of BWCE and the Representatives of the USA. Kew, London: Lord Chancellor’s Office, Public Records Office. 21 June 1945.

San Diego State University, Political Science Department, referring to the ex post facto nature of the charges.

Avalon Project at the Yale Law School

“German Defense Team Clobbers Soviet Claims”. Nizkor.org. 1995-08-26. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/places/germany/nuremberg/ftp.py?places/germany/nuremberg/tusa/katyn-hearing. Retrieved 2009-04-04.

Judgement : The Law Relating to War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity in the Avalon Project archive at Yale Law School

The Trial of German Major War Criminals - Proceedings of the International Military Tribunal Sitting at Nuremberg Germany. 1 (20th November, 1945 - 1st December, 1945). London: His Majesty’s Stationery Office. 1946.

“International Military Tribunal, Judgment of the International Military Tribunal (1946)“Yale/avalon

Here Skyranch is confronted with the facts that he hopes you will ignore. Is he saying that the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal is a “hate-filled rag”, is he calling the United States Congressional record a “hate filled rag”? Or is he calling the Yale Law school review a “hate filled rag”? Skyranch and his fellow cool-aid drinkers want you to believe that the “holocaust” is the best documented work in history, yet when posters cite the very documents that the Holohoax believers say are unassailable, they claim that the very documents that support their judgments are “hate-filled rags”. What a curious group of scholars, who can’t even decide if a single document is a “hate-filled rag” or part of the best documented evidence in history.
By CSM101 on 04-14-10 @ 11:46 am
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“All truths that are kept silent become poisonous.”
Nietzsche

If all beliefs that are held sacred by Christians and other (major) religions can be scrutinized and criticized by outsiders who are not adherents of those respective faiths, then why can we not examine historical events to determine whether the records of these events ring true or have been altered to benefit a single politically-based agenda?
By skyranch on 04-14-10 @ 12:56 pm
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actually I am referring to this link used many times by your group
www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM. And the ever popular Gnostic Liberation Front.

Now let’s be clear, you are saying that the Yale School of Law declared the holocaust a hoax? Yes or No?
By April on 04-14-10 @ 2:21 pm
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By skyranch on 04-14-10

actually I am referring to this link used many times by your group
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM. And the ever popular Gnostic Liberation Front.

Now let’s be clear, you are saying that the Yale School of Law declared the holocaust a hoax? Yes or No?

Just to be clear I am not a part of any group, and I’ve neither posted or relied upon information in the link you offered in any way. To be clear again, the sources I have relied upon and quoted in the previous post challenge elements of the story you call the holocaust, it isn’t necessary for them to editorialize on their own documents, they are provided to the public, so that they, unlike you, can form an unbiased opinion. They are providing public records and encouraging research, two things that you are obviously against.

Here are the first six sources from the post I made on the eighth, either provide some evidence of how these sources are “hate-filled rags” or do the sentient portion of our audience here a favor and stop displaying your ignorance.

# Office of the United States Chief of Counsel for the Prosecution of Axis Criminality, Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression (11 vols.), Washington, DC: U.S. Govt., 1946-1948. (The “red series.”) / NC&A, Vol. 1, pp. 134- 135.
# International Military Tribunal, Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal. 42 vols. Nuremberg: 1947-1949. (The “blue series.”) / IMT, vol. 19, p. 501.
# See the succinct declaration by all the German defense attorneys in the IMT case. Published in: Jay W. Baird, ed., From Nuremberg to My Lai (Lexington, Mass.: D. C. Heath, 1972), pp. 81-83.; Note also the summary comment by Hans Lammers of the Nuremberg verdict against him, in: Georg Franz-Willing, Die Reichskanzlei 1933-1945 (Tübingen: 1984), p. 221.
# Werner Maser, Nuremberg: A Nation on Trial (New York: Scribner’s, 1979), pp. 281, 282.; The liberal American weekly Nation editorially acknowledged in October 1945: “The Nuremberg court is political court with a political job to perform.” Nation, Oct. 27, 1945, p. 418. Quoted in: James J. Martin, Revisionist Viewpoints (Colorado Springs: 1971), p. 125.
# International Military Tribunal, Trial of the Major War Criminals… (“blue series”), IMT, Vol. 19, p. 398. (Testimony of July 26, 1946).; In a letter to his wife, written shortly before his execution, former Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop commented: “Everyone knows that the [guilty] verdict is utterly untenable, but I was once Adolf Hitler’s Foreign Minister and politics demands that for this fact I shall be condemned.” Quoted in: Joachim C. Fest, The Face of the Third Reich (New York: 1970), p. 185.
# Robert Conquest, The Great Terror (New York: Oxford University Press, 1990), p. 92.
By April on 04-14-10 @ 2:33 pm
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April,

I think what it means for you to do is to only use historical sources to reach his conclusions. Source material is intended as a set of facts from which we can draw conclusions. Apparently in its arrogance to contend the barrage of facts and arguments that he cannot refute or logically debate, it has reverted to the neo-Stalinst argument that all facts not recognized by the state call into the question the sanity of the presenter. This is a hallmark trait of Stalin’s show trials in the U.S.S.R. and a way for the state to maintain such oddities as a law prohibiting scientists from challenging state-funded biologists from denying summer wheat could be grown successfully in winter. Part and parcel of the retrograde tactics it has displayed on this board.
By April on 04-14-10 @ 3:52 pm
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More tales from the holocaust:
1.) Killing people by drinking a glass of hydrogen cyanide(which scientifically considered evaporates quickly and would endanger those pouring it into said glass) Verdict of the Hannover District Court, Ref. 2. Ks1/60, cf H. Lictenstien, op, cit (note 88), p. 83 IMT, opm cit (note 127), v. VII, p. 570

2) Underground mass extermination in enormous rooms by means of high voltage electricity. IMTm opm cit, (note, 127)n v VIIn 576-577n 369n for Bergen Belsen!; The Black Book of Polish Jewry, Roy Publishers, New York, 1943 pg. 313.

3)Blast 20,000 Jews into the twilight zone with atomic bombs. IMT, op. cit (note 127), v XVI p. 529

4) SS bicycle races in the gas chamber at Birkenau R. Hoss in M Broszat (ed), op cit (note 74) pp 161f; A Ruckerl, NS-Prozesse, op. cit (note 131), p. 78; H Grabitz, NS-Prozesse…., op cit (note 194) p. 28

5) Blue haze after poisoning with hydrogen cyanide which is colorless. R. Bock, Frankfurt Public Prosecutor’s Office, Ref. 4 Js 444/59, pp 6881f.

No wonder Hollywood has made so many films about the holocaust with these whoppers who needs a script. Unfortunately these lies were used by professional witnesses (witnesses that almost never kept their facts straight from one case to another, were never sure where events took place or who was involved and couldn’t even remember their accusations most of the time, despite being on the prosecution pay roll) to put innocent men and women to death.
By JGB on 04-14-10 @ 4:46 pm
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Skyranch,

  You choose not to search for the truth and believe every thing your told about that period, and you choose not to see the mountains of evidence before you, that’s your choice, but those who choose to educate themselves and stop blindly believing every thing they’re told with out properly researching the subject, well that’s a sign of the true intellectual. When Yale collected and released their Avalon Archive program the Holocaust didn’t exist yet, the holocaust has grown from myth to fact over the last 60 years, so they could not originally make a claim ether way. Today they avoid the issue, to much Jewish funding to of the school and they know if they question the Holocaust they will be harassed. I suggest you do as I have done, go back and read these comments, you will see how you react and that the research showed to you, is from the most reputable sources including the Red cross, Yale, The U.S. Office of records and many Jewish sources themselves. Look what your group has brought to the table over the last week, nothing, not one reference source, not one bit of evidence other then opinion and hearsay, and insults and childish comments, how can any one take you serious. It’s time to stop blindly buying into wartime propaganda and start researching into the facts and dig to the truth. Do you believe the Indian VS. U.S. history as told in the 1930’s? If you were around in the 30’s and claimed that America was anything but loving and helpful to the Indians and made any claims that the Indian was treated unfairly you would have been lynched.
By dsrobins on 04-14-10 @ 4:52 pm
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April Gaede is truly a piece or work.  One supposes she will be out there in Depot Park with the other right wing and neo-nazi loonies tomorrow afternoon proudly wearing her red, white and black swastika armband.  Hopefully her children will still be in school and will be spared the spectacle.
By April on 04-14-10 @ 6:07 pm
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dsrobins,

You are a real hater, aren’t you. You can’t seem to figure out that this thread isn’t about April. This is what a psychologist would term transference, you attempting to put all of your petty motives and hatred on someone else. It didn’t work we all see who you are.
By dsrobins on 04-14-10 @ 7:37 pm
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April,

I’m not sure what a real hater is, but I do hate and despise racist bigots like yourself who bring racist and religious hatred to our valley.  I know you moved here only recently and that you did so because you felt unwelcome in the place where you were living before. 

Well, you are no more welcome here despite the support that you receive from your small band of fellow travelers.

Also, like other decent Montanans, I dislike what you are doing to your children.  Your life was ruined by your upbringing, and now you are doing the same cruel thing to your daughters.  I do wish there was a way that Montana child protective services officials could intervene, but our laws don’t make that easy. 

Enjoy yourself tomorrow if you must, but leave your daughters at home or at school where they belong.  They can learn something useful there.  They certainly won’t at Depot Park.
By Igor on 04-14-10 @ 11:24 pm
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“Plus I met a survivor of those camps. But maybe SHE was lying, right? I am disgusted and through with this.”

Hate to state the obvious, but if she was a “survivor,” she obviously wasn’t in a “death camp,” or else she wouldn’t be a “survivor.” Catch my drift?

You remind me of the drooling morons who seem to believe that a tattoo on someone’s arm is proof that jews were gassed. Anyone who considers that a valid argument flunks Logic 101. A tattoo may be proof that someone was in a camp, but it certainly doesn’t prove that anyone was gassed.
By Igor on 04-14-10 @ 11:43 pm
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“German records were carefully altered to avoid retribution in tribunals should they lose the war and by 1944 they were pretty much playing CYA.”

Sure they were. And I suppose you also believe that the U.S. Government is involved in a massive cover-up to hide the truth of the extraterrestrial invasion from the American people.

You conspiracy cranks are all alike. If the evidence doesn’t support your assertions, you just claim there was a cover-up.

To you, it seems easier to imagine that the Germans were involved in a massive, elaborate conspiracy and cover-up than that jews, Americans, and their communist allies might’ve been lying. Why the double standard? You think the Soviets were inherently more honest than the Germans? You don’t think jews who were bitter for having been imprisoned and forced to do labor during the war could have lied to get back at their captors?
By skyranch on 04-15-10 @ 6:35 am
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The German officers that did the covering up were rightly afraid of retribution. Because they knew they had done BAD THINGS. That’s why General Eisenhower ordered photos be taken. I suppose you consider him a neo-Marxist Stalinist collaborator.
I encourage research and extensive reading on the subject.

Richard Evans’ trilogy ” The Coming of the Third Reich”, “The Third Reich in Power” , and ” The Third Reich at War” are a good start. AND you can buy these books at (gasp) bookstores! Have you ever been in one?

But you love the internet..so here is the Wkipedia definition of historical revisionism. Read the whole paragraph.:     

Historical revisionism is either the legitimate scholastic re-examination of existing knowledge about an historical event, or the illegitimate distortion of the historical record such that certain events appear in a more or less favourable light. For the former, i.e. the academic pursuit, see historical revisionism.[1] This article deals solely with the latter, the distortion of history, which—if it constitutes the denial of historical crimes—is also sometimes (but not commonly) called negationism.[2][3]

In revising the past, illegitimate historical revisionism (“negationism”) appeals to the intellect—via techniques illegitimate to historical discourse—to advance a given interpretive historical view. The techniques include presenting known forged documents as genuine; inventing ingenious, but implausible, reasons for distrusting genuine documents; attributing his or her own conclusions to books and sources reporting the opposite; manipulating statistical series to support the given point of view; and deliberately mis-translating texts (in languages other than the revisionist’s).[4] Practical examples of negationism (illegitimate historical revisionism) include Holocaust denial and some Soviet historiography.[5][6] Contemporarily, hate groups practice negationism on the Internet. In literature, the effects of historical revisionism are usually described in science fiction novels such as Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949), by George Orwell. Moreover, some countries have criminalised the negationist revision of certain historical events
By skyranch on 04-15-10 @ 6:46 am
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pardon me there are two paragraphs of the Wikipedia definition in my previous posting. Have nice day.
By Web Master on 04-15-10 @ 7:21 am
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