Comments on: Biden Stumps for Obama at Flathead High

By C A Wren on 09-07-08

How can we even CONSIDER McCains choice for running mate, someone that we know less about then the bag boy at our local grocery store?  This is a situation that could put her in the position as commander in chief of the United States Of America.  The more I read about her the more I become concerned.  I remember during the primaries the media kept asking if America was ready for a woman president.  Well after raking Hillary over the coals for months and months the answer was yes. Like all the candidates she ran the gauntlet, faced the public and the press and by the end of the primaries we knew everything about her.  WE KNOW VERY little ABOUT SARAH PALIN!  How can this even be considered!

By Carl on 09-07-08

Well, we know little about obama, and/or are overlooking what we know anyway.  don’t worry, we’ll get the gov’t we deserve.

By A Beacon Fan on 09-07-08

Excellent photo series !
Thank you.

By Henry on 09-07-08

McCain—the oldest potential president in US history wants to put a relatively unknown person a heart-beat away from the presidency… But now they are refusing to let the media ask her any questions! She may be fine and a good choice—but how can we know if she is protected from questions and shielded from the very citizens she is proposing to lead? How can you run a democracy when the candidates refuse to talk to the press? This is very very fishy.

By Roark on 09-07-08

Paying to watch Biden talk is like flushing money down the toilet.

By Henry on 09-07-08

Good thing it was free then! Imagine that—it didn’t cost us anything to watch history in the making.

By Roark on 09-07-08

Sure, it may be free to watch him speak, but you’ll be paying for it through the nose in taxes if Obama and he get elected.

By Henry on 09-07-08

Roark—The Obama-Biden tax plan calls for allowing the Bush tax cuts for those making over $250,000 a year to expire while providing tax breaks for middle-income Americans making $80K each year or less. There are other tax cuts for middle income Americans such as a tax credit for college tuition etc. Beyond the expiration of the tax breaks for $250K + per year the Obama campaign also is in favor of eliminating the $20 billion in tax BREAKS that the Republicans have given to corporations that offshore US jobs and also the $4 Billion in tax BREAKS that the Republicans have given to oil companies that have enjoyed over $600 Billion in profits since Bush came into office. All Obama and Biden are saying is that these oil companies don’t need tax breaks—they should be able to pay the same taxes as every other company.

While at the same time the Republican plan is to add taxes to company health care benefits. For example, if you make $50k each year and your company pays $10k for your health insurance—you’re now going to be taxed on $60k and not on the $50k you were before. How’s that for a tax increase on the middle class?

All I am saying is you need to get your facts straight before you make these tired old Republican blanket indictments - especially when they’re not true.

By JB on 09-07-08

I know enough about both Obama and McCain to know not to vote for either of them.  As long as my vote goes to neither of them, that’s good enough for me.

As for Schweitzer and Tester...you’d think they would have sense enough not to follow the winds of American political rhetoric.  Obama is NOT the choice for Montana - don’t be fooled by the spin from Biden.

By JMO on 09-07-08

Hey Henry - gee whiz, I’m thinking you work for the O’biden campaign.  and have you forgotten, the Prez cannot enact any of those things without Congress approval.  And Congress will not approve it !!!  That is O’Biden’s way out.  I want to do this but THEY won’t let me.

By NObama on 09-07-08

Just say NoBama.

By McCainMcSame on 09-07-08

The event was free, Roark.

By Henry on 09-07-08

So JMO—are you going to be so bright as to continue to vote for republicans who vote to give tax breaks to companies that send jobs to other countries? Are you going to be such a beacon of wisdom to continue to vote for republicans that give tax breaks to oil companies while blocking tax breaks for alternative energy production? Are you going to be so brilliant as to continue to vote for republicans that will spend billions of your tax dollars building roads and schools for Iraq while they sit on their own budget surplus of $78 billion? Are you going to be so financially astute as to vote again for republicans that took a budget surplus and turned it into the largest budget deficit in American history?

By Roark on 09-08-08

The fact is; the Obama/Biden ticket will raise everyone’s taxes and further enlarge government power. If you like paying more in taxes and having the government be more in control of your life, then yes vote Obama. If you value liberty, small government, and personal responsibility then don’t waste your vote on Obama or McCain.
Henry, who is Biden to decide who needs a tax break and who doesn’t? What’s more, who gives ANY candidate the right to set an arbitrary number on who gets a tax break and how much “they” will decide it will be?
If Obama is anyone’s idea of a stellar candidate, then you must be obviously be confusing the liberty with socialism, and hence you belong in a European nation that embraces statist values.

By Henry on 09-08-08

Roark—we’re never going to even come close to agreeing—but I do respect that you are voting for a third party (or 4th party). I do think it is not being honest for you to call Obama a socialist—or European nations as statist. That is the same as me calling you an Anarchist.

By Now A Biden Supporter on 09-08-08

As an overall political skeptic I was very impressed by Biden’s speech. Engaging, factually on topic and best of all he was speaking from his thoughts and not from a teleprompter or written speech. “As my staff would surely tell you afterwards they wrote a great speech for me today.” Heh, heh. Well done Biden. You’ve got my vote.

PS - Roark you embody pretty much everything that is wrong with this country with your comments. You do a wonderful job of instigating people here. Congratulations. Your prolific commenting can mean only one of two things; you are paid by the Beacon or you have no social life to speak off. Wonder why that would be…

By Roark on 09-08-08

Henry, when one espouses nationalizing healthcare, education, and energy, etc. as well as calling for mandatory national service, then YES that is very much socialism.

WEBSTERS Dict.: SOCIALISM; A political theory advocating state ownership of industry. 2. An economic system based on state ownership of capital. (Healthcare); A system of government in which means of production and distribution of goods are controlled by the state. SEE ALSO http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

By Carl on 09-08-08

Hey now, there’s a really peachy idea!  Let’s just give all our money to the state/feds, then they can give us food, houses, med care, maybe they’ll toss in a chevy for the commute etc.  Yuppers - a “free” Aveo and flat screen TV for everybody.  And - all the chicken you can eat.  All for “free”.

By Henry on 09-08-08

Roark and Carl—Good thing your guys had to use taxpayers dollars to bailout the housing industry today. Socialisim is when all industries are nationalized (kind of like what the republicans did to Fannie Mae and Mac today).

Nobody running for office is trying to nationalize all industry in America. You know that so you are not being honest in your arguments.

Civilized societies throughout the world realize there are some things that we do better as societies. Are you saying you want to do away with public education? Do you want to do away with the national highway system (no more freeways), do you want to do away with air transportation, etc etc etc. The reality is that it is total fantasy to say that a society can operate without a goverment. If you really want that kind of society you should move to Somalia. There are plenty of places without any government and no taxes—but NOBODY wants to live there. If you really want that kind of society move to one of those countries. Otherwise—become a constructive part of our community and look for ways to make our government better and more reponsible instead of trying to chase some mythological world without a government.

By Roark on 09-08-08

Henry, where did I ever say that I approve of the Fannie Mae bailout??? I am vehemently against it. Don’t get ahead of yourself. Fannie Mae is controlled by the government mind you.

YOU SAID,"Nobody running for office is trying to nationalize all industry in America. You know that so you are not being honest in your arguments.”
---Let me refer you to this page once again; http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

YOU SAID,"Are you saying you want to do away with public education? “
---YES. Maybe you can explain to me how you can justify morally using the force of government to make people pay for the education of another. How can you justify violated the rights of one for the benefit of another. Also, please help me locate where that is in the US Constitution.

YOU SAID,"The reality is that it is total fantasy to say that a society can operate without a goverment.”
---You seem to have a knack for context dropping. I certainly don’t espouse anarchy in any way shape or form. In fact no government is just as bad, if not worse, than big gov’t. What is needed is appropriate and legitimate government, ie. military, police, courts, disaster relief, et al. Somalia is ruled by warlords. That is not anarchy but thuggish tribalism.

By RON PAUL on 09-08-08

Vote RON PAUL!  Who cares who wins, the other two are both the same.  Both members of CFR, both pro war in the middle east, both pro big government, both refuse to address fiscal responsibility, both refuse to address revamping foreign policy, both refuse to bring US troops home from the 700 foreign bases in 130 countries, both refuse to look at our failing monetary system.  Only Ron Paul addresses the serious issues.  Even though Ron Paul has no chance, I am voting for him out of principle.  He is the candidate I believe in and agree with.  Obama and McCain, whoever wins, I can care less.  Best of luck to Obama though.

By Don on 09-08-08

I actually went to the Biden show. Why did the HANDLERS ask us all to move to the center for the photo op? Why wasn’t my seat with no one around me OK? Then they held up the applause signs when no one was applauding. What gives? Was this a show or what? He and Obama really don’t care about MT and its 3 electorial college votes. This is a show that us hicks are supposed to buy into. Give em a break. Phony baloney.

By Jonathan Powell on 09-08-08

November 5th, we’ll be celebrating Obama winning the Whitehouse!!

By Stanley Whitey on 09-09-08

Then they will call it the Black house.

By Henry on 09-09-08

Geez Stanley—how did you get here from the 18th Century?

By JIPPER on 09-09-08

Stanley, please stop embarassing Montana.

By McCainMcSame on 09-09-08

Roark, your opinion is so flawed in many ways. Where to start? Wire tapping? The Patriot Act? You’re nuts if you think these policies by your Republican government honored your privacy. So let’s say you argue that McCain is not George W. Remember, McCain admitted himself he votes with the President 90% of the time.

By Roark on 09-09-08

McCainMcShame, Dude-where have you been???-where did you get the ludicrous idea in your head that I am a McCain supporter?-let alone a mainstream GOP supporter? Get your facts straight about me before you make a completely false accusation. A) I am casting my vote for Barr, and B) There are only a small handful of GOP Rep’s. and Senator’s who I actually think are dignified leaders who uphold the idea’s of liberty.

“The process of thinking . . . is the process of defining identity and discovering causal connections.”
-Ayn Rand

By Seth on 09-09-08

McCainMcShame - another “dude where have you been”. Obama voted to support FISA legislation. That pretty much makes him a pandering hypocrite.

By Carl on 09-09-08

See Martha, I told you there was no intelligent life here.  Let’s go back to N.Dak.

By Farmer on 09-10-08

I was not too happy with the vote for the FISA bill either. Then I learned why Obama voted for it. He compromises. He listens to all voters, Republicans, Independents and Democrats. It was a better bill then we had before, it was needed for our national security, and was the best bill that could be negotiated with a Republican dominated senate, and a President that vetos everything that the Democrats send him. I don’t like it but I respect it. This is the essence of politics, compromise and aggreement to move ideas forward. Everyone isn’t always happy. I actually respect Senator Obama more for voting for it.

By Roark on 09-10-08

“...compromise and aggreement to move ideas forward...”

---That’s the problem; compromise of principles. It is precisely the bi-partianship of the House and Senate, which Obama and McCain are guilty of ad nauseaum, that at the end of the day enacts bills that are inimical to liberty. Compromising the fundamental values of liberty, capitalism, and individualism can only further our loss of rights and the continuation statism and/or corruption and violence both private and public.
---I’ve had it with compromise, idea’s and values matter too much to make light of them, especially when the ultimate end is affected; life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

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By John on 10-04-08

Go Obama!!!!!

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