Comments on: Change in Pipeline Plan Could Present New Problems
By RussCrowder on 11-12-11
IMAGINE what this country could accomplish if there were no liberals…t’s easy if you try !
By Peter Saunders on 11-12-11
I sure can Russ. It would be dirty, polluted, with fouled air, un-drinkable water and the highest death rate from guns on earth. Further it would have the highest health care costs in the world serving only the elite. What a great vision.Sort of like Butte 80 years ago.
By driftwood-johnny on 11-12-11
It should have been approved long ago, but now Obama says he will wait until after the election to decide. So the news here today - from good sources, is the reason he is postponing it, is because he is getting huge campaign donations from both sides of the issue. He know if he decides now, the donations will stop. Plus it is a good possibility if he gets elected, he will nix the project because it is not his idea of so called GREEN ENERGY. The Obama regime playing politics while we lose more jobs every day and become more energy dependent each day. Can you imagine how many new jobs and how much more oil and gas we would be producing if we had a pro-energy leader?? Instead we are giving $billions to green projects that are failing left and right, losing energy jobs, and making us become more dependent on the Middle East whackos and China.They (the Obama regime) sit back and let every opportunity slip through our hands and let China (the biggest polluter on earth by far) take the resources from under our noses that are needed here in our country. They (China) are in the process of importing huge amounts of coal and oil from right here in North America because our leaders are to stupid to realize the situation we are in. If this pipeline is nixed I am sure one will be built going to the west coast in Canada, and then the oil will be shipped to China. What a joke.
By mooseberryinn on 11-12-11
Obama is not about making anything better. he is about making America a socialist and/or communist state, and if there are a few ‘losses” so what? He will have succeeded and he will take his money and leave.
By RussCrowder on 11-12-11
Poor Peter:
*One third of the industrial waste water & more than 90% of household sewage in the utopian liberal Meca of communist China is released into rivers and lakes untreated.
*One sixth of China’s population is threatened by seriously polluted water, causing high rates of liver, stomach & esophageal cancer in this great liberal paradise.
*Liberal China is recognized by the World Health Organization as having among the worst polluted air by high particulate matter in the world.
*It is estimated that 65 million people died during the many mass exterminations that have taken place since the founding of the “liberal” Peoples Republic of China that also since it’s founding has taken such a progressive liberal view regarding gun control and the disarming of it’s citizens.
*All of these statistics can be applied to the other great “Liberal” bastions that have or presently exist such as the former Soviet Union, North Korea, etc., with identical results.
Come to think of it Peter, “liberalism” has been proven to be so destructive to self, community, family and nation, it would be fun to IMAGINE an entire world without liberals !
By Craig moore on 11-12-11
One major union is rather upset over the delay decision: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/11/prweb8959058.htm
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United Association General President William P. Hite made the following statement today on the State Department’s decision to delay the start of the Keystone XL pipeline until early 2013:
“Further delay of the Keystone Pipeline unnecessarily jeopardizes this safe, quality project that will decrease our dependence on foreign oil and create thousands of jobs – especially at a time when millions of men and women are looking for work. Nevertheless, we’re confident this project will ultimately secure final governmental approval and move forward.
Keystone is too important to our nation’s economy, energy independence and national security. This privately-funded, shovel-ready project will create thousands of jobs, pump billions of dollars into the economy and reduce our dependency on increasingly unstable oil supplies from the Middle East. It is imperative it moves forward as soon as possible.
The State Department’s decision to delay the project for purported health and safety concerns is wholly unfounded. Tons of evidence accumulated to date shows it will be the safest pipeline in the world. It will use the safest, most advanced materials, be constructed by the highest skilled, best trained craftsmen in the industry and monitored by the most sophisticated electronic-video safety system ever designed. The bottom line is that the environmental groups are way off base on this project.
On the other hand, we can tell you where there are serious, legitimate public health and safety concerns in the pipeline industry that should be the focus of both government and environmental groups—literally thousands of miles of antiquated pipelines all across this country that are in critical need of replacement. The vast majority of these pipelines, which include oil, gas and water, are 40 or 50 years old or older and pose serious public health risks.
We’ve already seen recent explosions in old gas lines that have taken lives and evidence of dangerous toxins leaching into our water systems due to worn out pipes. These are virtual time bombs waiting to happen and should be addressed by government and those who truly care about the environment. Pipeline is a integral part of U.S. infrastructure that is in desperate need of investment and many times overlooked. This is an area where we need to act immediately to prevent real and imminent public health disasters and we can create tens of thousands of jobs for Americans in the process.”
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By Gabby Johnson on 11-12-11
Most of the money behind the very expensive tar sands development in Alberta comes from China, so I expect they will get dibs on the product after it leaves a refinery, whether that refinery is in Texas or BC or Nova Scotia. That’s how international oil works.
Keystone is nothing but a big eminent domain grab of Americans’ property by foreign companies to benefit foreigners.
By mooseberryinn on 11-13-11
Have ya ever noticed how anything “good” for the environment is bad for jobs, makes things more expensive, decreases availability, etc.? Well, I think now would be a great time for the environmentalists protesting this pipeline to proceed to the northern border to form a huge line linked arm-in-arm out there in the fields and stay there until all possible options on allowing America to have oil are stopped. Maybe the OWS folks would join them? Should work just fine, say about by mid-January for sure.
By Dangermouse on 11-14-11
God you people are idiots.
Do you not understand that an oil spill in the largest American aquifer which irrigates millions of acres of farm land would essentially kill billions of dollars worth of crops, and destroy tens of thousands of jobs? What part of this do you not get? Does the Fox News not talk about this
We already get oil from the Alberta tar sands via EXISTING infrastructure. All the pipeline will do is up capacity, and the simple fact is that it doesn’t have to create undue economic and environmental risk. Put it somewhere else!
By Craig moore on 11-14-11
Dangerousmouse, name calling is a poor substitute for facts. See the existing pipeline structure today: http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/united_states_pipelines_map.jpg Pipelines already cross aquifers. As I understand there has never been a pipeline accident in the history of the US that has killed billions of dollars of crops and destroyed tens of thousands of jobs. This pipeline would create 10’s of thousands of jobs.
By Westside2 on 11-15-11
Government!
http://www.flatheadbeacon.com/articles/article/several_pipelines_at_risk_of_failure_in_state/25433/
By reggie on 11-16-11
Russ, the pollution you describe in China sounds like the republican utopia of deregulation. The only possible result of unrstrained capital run amok that the right wants to reinstitute here. Remember when our rivers would burn; before liberal, logical regulation raised everyone’s lifestyle and increased everyones lifespan? Flamable rivers remained true long after liberals ended the practice of starting to work at seven years old and dying in debt to the company at thirty eight years old of black lung.
Calling China “liberal” is absolutely backwards. Liberals strive to advance people over money. Conservatives want more profit for the rich and (above all) CHEAP LABOR. China is the current perfect example of right wing philosophy allowed to operate unopposed.
Did you notice Michele Bachmann’s recent speech praising China as an example to be admired?
By Craig moore on 11-16-11
Reggie, perhaps Naomi Klein frames the debate on climate, capitalism and the objectives of the Left: http://www.thenation.com/article/164497/capitalism-vs-climate
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Responding to climate change requires that we break every rule in the free-market playbook and that we do so with great urgency. We will need to rebuild the public sphere, reverse privatizations, relocalize large parts of economies, scale back overconsumption, bring back long-term planning, heavily regulate and tax corporations, maybe even nationalize some of them, cut military spending and recognize our debts to the global South.
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Substitute almost any pet issue of the Left for “climate change” in the above quote and it seems that is where we are today.
By dw_duck on 11-16-11
My Dad always told me to lay as much pipe as possible.
By reggie on 11-17-11
Driftwood, We don’t have to “...imagine how many new jobs…. we would be producing if we had a pro energy leader…” . We had one with our last President, and his leadership resulted in the least jobs created under any President in modern times.
When the Bush ultra conservative terms ended the U.S. was losing 750,000 jobs per month. Our economy has not recovered yet, due in large part to hostile obstruction of the left’s economic agenda by elected conservatives in the House and Senate. Apparently, these obstructionists hope their prolonging the recession will be blamed on the Dems and result in Rebub victory in 2012 elections. An election strategy of continued, unnecessary pain for the public with blame shifted to the Dems by the right wing controlled corporate media. It could work, many have been deluded into voting against their best interests by media liers.
However, hope raises as more and more pay closer attention to reality regardless the constant drum of conservative B.S. served up daily on TV.
Thus the “Occupy” movement inception and growth using the internet social media to share facts whial disregarding the bought corporate media propaganda.
Does anyone pay people to write liberal opinion comments in blogs, or is this just used by the money worshipers on the right to influence the unsuspecting public?
By Craig moore on 11-17-11
reggie, as to your question of there are paid liberal bloggers, the answer is ,Yes: http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/article_9bba7662-dd4e-11df-bf06-001cc4c002e0.html#.TsWp21bRKDk
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An anonymous liberal blogger with an uncanny knack for sharp insider information who has used the state Capitol complex computer system to write political commentary is coming under fire from fellow progressives for making fun of gays to score political points…
The Montana Cowgirl blogger, who has gone to great lengths to remain anonymous, has in the past posted commentary through the state government-run computer system, The Associated Press has learned…
Past posts by the blogger have even released on the Internet potentially incriminating Department of Labor enforcement documents sent to one of Schweitzer’s political critics — even before one of those letters was received by the businessman being investigated. The Labor Department said those documents were never released to a member of the news media or public.
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The question hangs in the air whether the Cowgirl blog will disappear when Schweitzer leaves office.
By dw_duck on 11-17-11
If people are so worried about jobs build a giant bucket line instead of using pipelines.
By bocephusj57 on 11-18-11
You can count on Craig to try to resurrect an unsubstantiated, unproven and speculative rumor from months ago.
By Gabby Johnson on 11-18-11
A little skepticism should be shown by conservatives before they put their full backing into Keystone as a means to attack the president.A good friend of mine who I trust and who has been to the Alberta fields numerous times on business, says the vast majority of the operations up there are financed by the Chinese. The taking of land by our government by eminent domain to build a pipeline benefiting foreign investors takes on a whole new light if this is indeed the case.
China could be hiding be its investment behind “American” or “Canadian” firms and who would know? China is now investing tens of billions in southeast Asia to “empower corporations” as it was put by a Chinese government official speaking on CCTV just today.
The real ownership should be investigated.
I guess that’s too much to ask for people who never met a multi-national oil company they didn’t love, even the ones that finance al Qaida.
By Craig moore on 11-18-11
Gabby, Canada is saying loudly these days with the approval denial by Obama, they will ship to the west coast for export to Asia. Seems that China anticipated Obama’s decision.
On another note it looks like Obama has made another decision that will cost our country both needed energy and jobs, like the pipeline delay: http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/obama-usda-delays-shale-drilling-200k-jobs
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President Obama’s United States Department of Agriculture has delayed shale gas drilling in Ohio for up to six months by cancelling a mineral lease auction for Wayne National Forest (WNF). The move was taken in deference to environmentalists, on the pretext of studying the effects of hydraulic fracturing…
The Ohio Oil and Gas Energy Education Program (OOGEEP) recently estimated that drilling in the Utica shale, which is affected by the suspension of the mineral lease auctions, would produce up 204,500 jobs by 2015.
“The President’s plan is to simply say ‘no’ to new energy production,” House Natural Resources Committee chairman Doc Hastings, R-Wash, said to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar during a hearing pertaining to hydraulic fracturing. “It’s a plan that is sending American jobs overseas, forfeiting new revenue, and denying access to American energy that would lessen our dependence on hostile Middle Eastern oil.”
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Obama needs not worry about conservatives, but he needs to keep a wary eye on disgruntled voters.
By reggie on 11-18-11
Craig, I read the article you posted; could not find any reference, nor anything at all to indicate that the blogger being disscussed is being paid by anyone. Perhaps you misunderstood?
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