I’m not surprised that CHIP has its ugly fingers all over the Flathead. The general lack of a good work ethic, personal responsibility, and lack of moral character and positive behavior patterns in the population at large here plagues the Flathead.

Amen Roark.

WE THE PEOPLE WANT Schip.  That’s why we overwhelmingly voted for it.

AND WE THE PEOPLE - by a margin of around 70% in this country want gov controlled health care.  WE want single payer health care.

NO longer do we want to have profits be more important than our access to health care.

AND of course Baucus is against the government, non-profit plan - he has taken more money than ANY OTHER SENATOR from the health insurance industry.

There’s nothing democratic about denying a huge number of Americans access to health care - it says it right in the Constitution”

  “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

Notice it says establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, and promote general welfare.

THAT doesn’t mean profits over people - the mantra of the libertarians and conservatives.  They want their free choice to choose their health care plan BUT WANT TO STOP the rest of us our free choice.

THE majority of Americans want it!!!!!!

YES WE CAN!!!!!!

You cant’ stop progress - you can only slow it down thru corruption and authoritative laws controlling WE THE PEOPLE.

Woody,
You said -

They want their free choice to choose their health care plan BUT WANT TO STOP the rest of us our free choice.

You have a choice to
1. Get a job
2. Select a healthcare provider or insurer
3. Pay that provider or insurer
4. Receive the healthcare that you worked for and paid for.

I don’t understand your issue as you stated it. Who is stopping you from achieving quality healthcare?

Please enlighten us.
Don

75% of bankruptcies in America are caused by people who can’t pay their health care bills AND HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE!!!!! 

THAT IS YOUR GREAT SYSTEM?

Or how about Bill Mcguire making over a billion dollars in income in 3 years AND having his company have to pay out a billion dollar fine for stiffing medicare and medicaide.

AND YOU want me to TRUST them?


I don’t want a scum sucking greedy SOB in charge of my health care…..

AND the confusion w/ the 1000 plans out there is ridiculus. GO read Waren Miller’s new column.  THERE is your great for-profit health care industry that will throw anyone w/ a pre-existing condition under the bus.

ALL I want to be able to do is to buy into medicare - the same health care plan every senior citizen has.

What the for-profit insurance companies are afraid of is that any public option will be so much superior to their over-priced plans - and far cheaper - that in a few years everyone will switch over to the public plans.

AS I said keep your plan if you like it - BUT don’t deny me my FREEDOM to make MY choice.

That’s the problem w/ the conservatives - they are either woefully unknowledgable in the FACTS or buy wholesale into the P.R. firms advertisements.

Besides we pay at least 50% more of our national wealth on health care while leaving about 20% w/ no access to health care AND we DIE EARLIER!

Our current health care system is one of “Profits over people” -

at least roark admits that.  He admits he’s more concerned about someone paintballing a billboard than about giving children access to health care.

What the conservatives lack in empathy they more than make up w/ their over-reaching greed is good mantra.

Your freedom, and choice is pretty EXPENSIVE on the rest of us !!!!
Fri Jun 19, 8:36 am ET
This week when the Congressional Budget Office issued a report this week concluding, from a partial draft of a Senate health committee bill, that the plan would cost $1 trillion over 10 years but only provide coverage for 16 million of the estimated 50 million Americans who are uninsured.They simply don’t have the money to change the health care system, overhaul the energy sector and increase domestic spending as part of the appropriations process — without imposing big tax increases or exploding the deficit. Something has to give.

@woody - the truth is, neither health care system works!  Socialized medicine doesn’t work, and neither does the present system we have now.  In both cases, people are left out of the loop in obtaining needed, timely health care.

The reason we pay more for health care is because we have a medical system that drives costs up due to red tape and third party decision making regarding health care. The HMOs that exist are not there because of free market demand, but because of government mandates.  The HMO Act of 1973 requires all but the smallest employers to offer their employees HMO coverage, and the tax code allows businesses – but not individuals – to deduct the cost of health insurance premiums. The result is the illogical coupling of employment and health insurance, which often leaves the unemployed without needed catastrophic coverage.

While many in Congress are happy to criticize HMOs today, the public never hears how the present system was imposed upon the American people by federal law. As usual, government intervention in the private market failed to deliver the promised benefits and caused unintended consequences, but Congress never blames itself for the problems created by bad laws. Instead, we are told more government – in the form of “universal coverage” – is the answer. But government already is involved in roughly two-thirds of all health care spending, through Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs.

For decades, the U.S. healthcare system was the envy of the entire world. Not coincidentally, there was far less government involvement in medicine during this time. America had the finest doctors and hospitals, patients enjoyed high-quality, affordable medical care, and thousands of private charities provided health services for the poor. Doctors focused on treating patients, without the red tape and threat of lawsuits that plague the profession today. Most Americans paid cash for basic services, and had insurance only for major illnesses and accidents. This meant both doctors and patients had an incentive to keep costs down, as the patient was directly responsible for payment, rather than an HMO or government program.

The lesson is clear: when government and other third parties get involved, health care costs spiral. The answer is not a system of outright socialized medicine, but rather a system that encourages everyone – doctors, hospitals, patients, and drug companies – to keep costs down. As long as “somebody else” is paying the bill, the bill will be too high.

We did have a health care sytem that was the envy of the world - that was prior to Reagan when most hospitals were required to be non-profits.

And the true historical reason for the coupling of the employer and health care happened under the Truman administration when truman was psuhing for universal health care and the AMA and the conservatives stoppped it.

We also had wage controls back then in the aftermath of WW2 and in order to pay more - but not more in wages employers started offering health coverage.

BUT I will disagree - I believe Medicare and Medicaide work very well. AND HOLD COSTS DOWN! They deliver health care w/ a 3-5% overhead administrative cost while the private insurance industry has a 20-40% administrative/ executive income overhead.

The public option is CHEAPER!

AND it holds the big all-powerful corporations feet to the fire.

Why are the libertarians always on the side of big business over WE THE PEOPLE?

Woody, you seem to be missing the point that many of us are making; This is a matter of freedom of choice. This is a matter of individuals being in charge of their own lives and their own medical and health decisions. This is a matter of Dr.‘s and medical personnel being free to practice to whom and how they choose. This is a matter of an individuals right to his own money and his own life. The government has no right to claim ownership over man. Government is solely a protector of rights, or a protector of mans right to pursue his own path and choices. Man is not the serf to other men’s needs qua government coercion.-that’s called slavery, a very ignoble and ugly thing.

Here is an excellent link about the morality and excellence of free-market health care, and warns of the very real dangers and immorality of government controlled/rationed health “care”.

http://www.westandfirm.org/blog/index.html

What is left of a Nation when there is no longer respect for those of wisdom and old age ?  What is left of a nation that no longer cares for their children ?
Mooseberry : That is such a scarey thing, to disrespect our elders, to only see them as something too costly to keep alive and well. I pray that will never be, if it does, one would have to assume that God/Creator has turned his back to us , because a country with no values, would be nothing but pure evil !
HOW SAD !

What you conservatives forget is that the “let them die in the night” fear scenario is already happening - but w/ the private insurance companies.

THE gov offers the ONE health care plan that actually gives all the elderly - everyone of them - regardless of pre-existing conditions - access to health care. 

Where do you all come up with the blatently FALSE garbage about letting the elderly die?  Quit LYING!

AND I want MY freedom to choose.  You’re all for fredom if it’s YOUR freedom.  BUT when it comes to my freedom- or the freedom of someone who doesn’t agree / you then you are NOT FOR FREEDOM.

You all cry and cry that someone is going to tell you what you can and cannot have for coverage and then AT THE EXACT SAME TIME DENY ME MY CHOICE!

The very definition of Hypocritical.

And being hypocrites and fear mongerers are all the rightwing has. Besides being incapable of discerning the truth over a TV ad of course.


They have NO ideas at all except more of the same old failed ideas that led us into the mess we are in now.  What is truly scary is that they actually belive all the PR garbage thrown at them.  And we can expect more blatantly flase BS and LIES as the Health care lobbyiests are now spending over 100 million to stop affordable health care.

Boy, I’ll tell ya, I never thought of myself as left or right, nor belonging to any party….....
BUT if the likes of the above poster are what awaits on that left side, WOW, well then I guess I will go ahead and move over to the right that I am constantly accused of by the see all, know all Woody !
I deny your RIGHT as you say, because YOUR right is a TRILLION DOLLARS added to the debt.  You have a rights, but they DO NOT involve reaching into my childrens futures, nor that of my grandkids, and not into what the rest of us work for !
As DON stated, you have a choice
Get a job
Pick your insurance policy/coverage
PAY for your coverage
Like he said, who is stopping you ??
If you find yourself unemployed there is help with medical coverage !

Mooseberry hit the nail on the head.  Yeah, I want the government where and when I can go to get my checkups done because I have the “freedom” to choose my doctor.

What right to choose are you talking about, woody?  The right to choose to steal money out of taxpayers pockets so that the bums and the shiftless and illegal immigrants have the “right” to medical coverage?  If they want health care, let them pay for it - like the rest of us do.

oh come on now granny - you were NEVER a leftie or a democrat .....that strains the limits of credibilty

what about the right not to allow the corporations to deny me coverage

and once again - those are LIES you on the right spout by saying why allow the gov to choose what I can and can’t have.

RIGHT NOW the gov is already the insurer of last resort - THE GOV is the one ENTITY that already guarantees that the elderly have health insurance - THE corporations do not give any coerage to the elderly or the pre-existing conditions people may have.

AND JB nailed it on the head - the right is the party of hate/fear and racism -  which is why they always blame the working poor - or the brown colored skin…or the supposed welfare cheat - even though the Corporations - supported wholeheartedly by JB and his ilk have stolen WAY more than the 600 a month welfare mothers


AND the gov providing health care is a CHEAPER than the corporate profits are god model

talk about disingenius - 

1+1-3 to these denies of TRUTH!

People should just know that anything they try to blame on the gov plan is ALREADY occurring under the corporate driven profits over the lives of people

I’ve said it before, and I will say it again - HMOs need to be taken out of the picture completely.  We need a medical care system that no longer has the HMO Act, so that health care costs will drop, people can once again afford to go to their doctor without having to use insurance to pay for it, with insurance only being used for major/castotrophic procedures.  This was exactly the way it was before the HMO Act, when our nation had the best health care in the world.  This reduces costs for health care across the board.  Tying employment to health care coverage is illogical and ludicrous.  A system with no HMO/PPO companies would be way cheaper than the government or big business providing insurance to everybody - which is why this elderly noncoverage/pre-existing condition nonsense exists in the first place.  The reason for existing government programs that have such little overhead is that they are government sponsored!!!  Taxpayer money pays for it!!  Now who is using information to unilaterally support a point?

Once again Garbage in and garbage out from the untruth squad on the conservative/rightwing side spewing forth LIES, LIES and more LIES

THE gov - made up of WE THE PEOPLE - is the only way to keep the corporations feet to the fire

if not we’ll continue to have:
1. coverage denied even when you have a policy
2. profits more important than health care
3. the social security/ medicare is the CHEAPEST health care system out there
4. it is the corporations that are ALREADY doing EVERY SINGLE THING the untruths in the 2 above posts are pushing - they figure if they yell their lies from the rooftops enough people will but it.  IT’s still FALSE AND A LIE!
5.  The rightwing pro-corporate clan - w/ their spokemen JB and mooseberry will allow YOU TO DIE IN THE STREET if you don’t have health insurance -  they DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU OR ME!  They only know fear and greed.
6. And the reason the gov medicare program works well is not because they spend gov money - We all know from the IRAQ WAR that the gov (especially w/ the Republicans in charge) can easily be the most expensive mode around.  BUT the medicare system works just fine thank you!  THE reason the gov medicare is cheaper is it doesn’t need to pay CEO"S millions and also give billions to the stockholders.  The paperwork for the gov plan is LESS than the corporate model - as the corp model is built around denying coverage to those that have coverage and in order to have costs reimbursed you have to jump thru 10 hoops - and the corps know people will lose paperwork and then they OWE for coverage they already had.
7. the rightwing has NO PLAN but to give the store way to the corporations!
8. senators like baucus - who has taken more money from the health care insurance industry than any other politician - can try to claim he’s for public health but the FACTS are he has sold his soul - and our future - to the highest buck -  the republican model of corruption.  Take him you can have him republicans!
9. the very definition of fascism is allowing the corporations to control the gov - once again the conservative/libertarian/republican mantra - 

THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT WE THE PEOPLE

Oh yes, that’s right woody…let’s take away people’s right to free choice so that they have substandard socialist health care - and steal money out of hard working people’s pockets to pay for it!  This is the left socialist mantra - “protect the people” - but the left knows all too well that they take away people’s freedom by doing so.  I don’t know about you, but a gilded cage is STILL A CAGE.  It allows people who do not contribute to society to become a burden on those who work hard and support themselves.  The left always points a finger at the right and accuses them of stealing from everybody - this is only because they refuse to stake a claim in the world for themselves.  The left is truly the lazy shiftless person’s party.  Distribution of wealth is a fallacy - the left always lives in a dream world, and then they always get hit by reality full in the face.  They are nothing but cowards and hypocrites, always pointing the finger at anyone but themselves for their shortcomings.  There will always be rich and poor - there has always been since the beginning of time, and there always will be.  I will admit it - if a person refuses to work for themselves, they should be left behind, not coddled like the left would do for them.  Those who are smart enough to be successful in this world should not have to pay for the mistakes and plight of those who are not.

JB : Dont you love how the ones that are most apt to let the freedoms, liberties, and constitution come to ruin, are always the ones that try to use it’s wordings to support their cause ??

@granny - exactly so!  Extreme liberals are hypocrites of the worst sort - and it truly sickens me when they use their rhetoric for fear mongering and disinformation.  This is the way they operate - they justify thir behavior in the name of protecting liberty - and claim that pursuing profit is evil and only destroys people.  I guess I can understand his point of view if I was dependent on the government for everything - but I always worked for a living, I became successful by hard work and dedication to be as successful as I am, and I never asked for anything from anybody, and for somebody to come along and tell me that I have to pay for someone else’s laziness is beneath contempt.

By the way, I do support medical care of the elderly who have contributed into the system through either their employment or contributions to a medical care account - they are entitled to health care because they paid into the system through payroll deduction.  I do not support care for those who want everything paid for by “someone else” - that is what caused this mess in the first place.

What kind of right wing extremist is against health care for kids?  Seriously…

How on earth can someone have such a horrible grasp of economics like Roark that they actually think that there is enough wealth in the valley for everyone to have jobs that pay over 45k a year each (if only they werent so lazy!)?

boredinkali, boy…where do I start. I don’t want to waste time trying to explain concepts to you so I’ll give you the answer in a nutshell to your incompetent post.
a) I am not a “right wing extremist” I am an objectivist. (you may want to have wikipedia handy)
b) I am not against health care for kids, I am against the government subsidizing, controlling, and rationing health “care” for anybody.
c) I have no clue where you got your 45k number, but that is beside the point. You see, at present, the US does not have a true laissez-faire market based health care system. It is a mixed economy of some freedom with mostly government controls. Liberals have this erroneuos idea that there is a static amount of money that is passed around, hence they think, incorrectly, that one mans gain is another mans loss. Of course, that is pure baloney. In a free market there is no limit to wealth creation, even in our current mixed economy. And yes, many, not all, people who cannot afford health insurance have made poor decisions in there lives. I am not responsible for your health care wants or needs. And I am sick and tired of the left using children to ram their statist policies down our throats, thus usurping my rights.

boredinkali, seriously THINK more and react emotionally LESS.

Perfectly said Roark !

I think I know where he got that 45k number from - the median salary for a Flathead County household in 2007.  That has certainly dropped since then.

The latest CBS news poll said 72% of AMERICANS WANT a public option to Health care.

Quit subverting the will of WE the PEOPLE and calling it freedom

Also - you rightwingers must be besides yourselves - there is a new party for the rightwing wackos now - the CONSERVATIVE PARTY that is breaking away from the republicans

SO lets see—> everyone knows that the conservative mantra of less regualtion is EXACTLY what got us into this world economic delcine we are in now due to over-reaching GREED.

AND the new Conservative Party thinks we didn’t de-regulate far enough!  Freaking geniuses!

SO - less regulation leads to the increase in the power of the CORPORATIONS over WE THE PEOPLE .

AND as an increase in the power of the CORPORATION means esentially that BIG BUSINESS is writing our laws and overly influencing the DEMOCRATIC PROCESS leading to a merging of the CORPORATE AND GOVERNMENT POWER

That is the DEFINITION of FASCISM!

SO more rightly than beign called the conservative party the new party should be hereby more accurately known as the

NEW FASCIST PARTY OF AMERICA

Great idea - drive yourselves further into obscurity.

AS I said you all are freaking geniuses.  NOT!

and what is conservative at all about you rightwingers?

Not a thing.
1. Conserve energy - no way - give out tax breaks for gas-guzzling SUV’s
2. conserve the environment - no way - the bbile says we are to use the earyth as we see fit -which meeans destroying it thru polluting, mtn top removal etc - no conservation going on there
3. conserve fiscal responsibilty - NO WAY!  85% ofthe federal budget was directly casued by the republicans - actually 3 republicans reagan, bush 1, and shrub bush


OK I will give you - conserve the profits of the CORPORATIONS over WE THE PEOPLE.

You conservatives would have been tarred and feathered in the revolutinary days for the idiotic nonsense you all keep spouting.

and roark has admitted in previosu psots that he is moreconcerned by someone paintballing a billboard thanhe is about childrens health care.

Property and the COPRPORATIONS are more important than any kid -

IF you fall on hard times then that’s your problem - go die in the street and if your kid dies in the street than that’s your tough luck -

I’m richer than you cause JESUS loves me more than you

ALL STUPID reasons pushed by roark and his nutty any rand clones.

Well….thanks for clearing everything up for us, Woody.

I feel enlightened, too.  CBS, huh?  Gosh, I never would have thought to use a corporate owned media outlet as a credible source of information…

Woody, you are a HYPOCRITE.  Enough said.

LOL Woody, your rants would be funny, if they were not so down right pathetic !
Above you will read Roarks own words stating :  a) I am not a “right wing extremist” I am an objectivist. (you may want to have wikipedia handy)
b) I am not against health care for kids, I am against the government subsidizing, controlling, and rationing health “care” for anybody.
AND YET, you still accuse , name call, and basically FREAK OUT ! ( I hate it when you do that to anyone that disagrees)  No one even once stated they do not want health care for kids NOT ONCE !  ( I believe in helping kids, because they cannot help themselves !!!!!!!!) Also you say that we dont save energy ? Whatta crock !  I think the majority of us responsible people ( thats not a party for your info !) save where ever we can, that would include LIGHTS & FUEL. The ones who tend to waste are those that do not have to EARN it !  If all is handed on a silver platter, well most would dump the platter and ask for MORE !  Also there is a WORLD of difference from someone that has fallen on hard times ( That means they just need a hand up TEMPORARY), and those that make welfare and the like their occupation ( dont try to tell me they DONT exsist) Thats not apples to apples buddy !  I would also like to add that I love watching a under dog come out on top, to make his/her own success. However I also have to add that I do not think any of us have ever been employed by a poor person ! You talk as if there is no need for the wealthy, or well off that is…...... I do believe that those of worth are the ones that employ us, giving us a paycheck that we can then take and work to build our own SUCCESS STORY !
You rant as if the only thing justified is for us all to be equally POOR !  Well thats a load of CRAZY, and we aint buying it !

You go grannysgadgets!!!

=0)~  Got my bloomers in a bundle ! LOL =0)

OK I get it -  you conservatives are against any form of progress or social justice - We know that already.

Mix in a fact -

OH yea JB only believes viral emails and YOUTUBE!  Talk about uninformed - except by hannity, rush, glen beck and every other right wing wacko out there- Keep up the good work JB and in another few years we will have trouble even remembering the republican party!

Those polls are conducted using something called STATISTICS - it is based on science - There’s that dirty little word again you all hate so much—

you conservatives ruined your own party so now you want to cast ruin upon the democrats thru guilt by association

AND who cares what roark calls himself - the positions he follows are extremist views - he should keep his views in DC where he lives and quit bothering us- he pushes state rights but won’t allow us montananas to have our own debate.  AND I’m the hypocrite?

which is why you are fondly referred to as the 6,000 year flatlanders club

as gandhi said “I like your Jesus. I do not like your christians. They are so UNLIKE your Jesus”

Mightly accurate words I’d say for the rightwing christians.

quote: roark

“b) I am not against health care for kids, I am against the government subsidizing, controlling, and rationing health “care” for anybody.
c) I have no clue where you got your 45k number, but that is beside the point. You see, at present, the US does not have a true laissez-faire market based health care system. It is a mixed economy of some freedom with mostly government controls. Liberals have this erroneuos idea that there is a static amount of money that is passed around, hence they think, incorrectly, that one mans gain is another mans loss. Of course, that is pure baloney. In a free market there is no limit to wealth creation, even in our current mixed economy. And yes, many, not all, people who cannot afford health insurance have made poor decisions in there lives. I am not responsible for your health care wants or needs. And I am sick and tired of the left using children to ram their statist policies down our throats, thus usurping my rights.”

B) what are you talking about?  Chips is an option, you can choose any other plan you want, or go uninsured like millions do.
C)there is absolutely a limit to wealth creation.  Not only do you have no understanding of economics beyond some some “internet info” from a conservative site, but you seem unable to grasp even physics.  You honestly believe that you can just create wealth out of thin air?  You must have been a real estate agent or banker over the past decade… It takes resources to create things, physical resources are limited.  It takes labor to create things, labor is limited by time, location, education, and numbers etc.  Neither labor or physical resources are infinite, how on earth could wealth creation be unlimited?  How can anyone take your argument seriously?

People don’t have health care because they can’t afford it.  Not because they are too lazy.  You are not some magical frontiersmen of limitless work ethic while everyone else in the world are a bunch of lazy hippies.  If you are LUCKY enough to have health care, then you are LUCKY enough to be born in a country that has the wealth to provide it, LUCKY enough to be born in a country that provided you with safety, infrastructure, education, and an environment that provided you with a job.  I guarantee you there a millions of harder workers than you in this world (if not more) and they can’t afford health care.

I wouldnt mix the words *cbs* and science, you could possibly discredit your science !!!!
Yeah and CBS polls are taken from their base viewers ( ie* Such as yourself )  I would deem that very inaccurate, for we are not in the same row boat as you.  For your INFO Woody, this isnt some professional wrestling match, I dont give a HOOT about parties, or popularity crud ( Cheerleaders worry about that in highschool, or were you there ?), Your whims would be better noted at a basketball game… I care about what affects me, and my family, what affects my neighbors,  This state, and what affects the constitution of this country. Go blow your toot toot horn at someone that gives a rip about your one sided polls, taken by a one sided supposible news station ( their in a pocket, we know that).  I aint ruined chitlins, my life is fine, I’m not out here belly aching for others to support my twisted thoughts that they should gladly take care of me, NO SIR, we take care of our own !  Flatlanders ? thats new to me, must be your far left loony bin stations huh ? I could imagine the rip roar them wind bags must blow….......  Woody, them are MIGHTY accurate words spoken by Gandhi, now go look in mirror and repeat them slowly…....... be sure to add that seething anger and hatered that pours from your post, and then ask, why is everyone so against what I have to say ?  I would suggest you try not to come across as someone that has a mouth full of lemons !  Put away your liberal, lefty, how to insult others handbook, and stop calling names, or at least come up with something new, youve been saying these same slanders for MONTHS.  we call that a broken record !

Boredinkali :  I do realize that this comment section is supposed to be about CHIPS.  But if you read all the comment boxes it is off track, and has sense went into single pay health care, right vs left, demo vs repub,  news stations, lifestyles, religion, and much, much more.
Just giving you a heads up, in case you think all these comments are being applied to the topic, their not, we have gone waaaaaaay off of that !  things can easily get off track when it comes to debates !

Sorry…who are hannity, rush, and glenn beck?  Got no idea what you are talking about…don’t watch TV or listen to the radio all that much…I actually like to READ my news…

As for CBS statistics, its SUPPOSED to be a random sample poll…which is why I’m surprised that you take CBS at their word, but then again, CBS has leftist bias from what I have heard…

No, woody,  I am much better informed than watching Youtube videos…and as for emails, the only “viral” emails I get are from the Beacon, chock full of your liberal socialist rantings…

You’re still a HYPOCRITE.  Do us all a favor and yank your connection to the Internet from your computer…after all, it is supplied by those evil CORPORATIONS you are always ranting about…not to mention the computer/internet device that you use to spout with…

GOOD point JB, it is the nasty corporations that he rants about that supply internet, made the computers, and supply that e-mail account as well !  hmmm did’nt think about that one !  Kudos JB !

Just thought I would give a heads up on this new bill they are trying to pass through this friday !!!!!!!!!
Speaker Nancy Pelosi wants the U.S. House to vote at the end of this week on the Waxman-Markey National Energy Tax (House Bill 2454) I have not had the time to research this fully, but thought it was important to get the word out so that others can get a look at it too.  The common thoughts that I have been reading posted by others are : With gas prices climbing, the last thing we need is a new energy tax that will drive them even higher, nearly double the cost of electricity, and destroy millions of jobs every year for the next 25 years.Right now, Al Gore and all the anti-energy interest groups are buying television ads and mobilizing their activists to pressure members of Congress to support this job-killing bill.
The bill’s cost in taxes and jobs ,especially in coal-producing and agriculture-rich areas. It would cost the average household an extra $3,000 per year in energy costs and it is predicted the bill would cost 2.5 million jobs.“Not only will this drive up prices for food, gasoline, and electricity, it will ship millions of jobs to competitors like China and India that refuse to take the same approach,” Fax, e-mail and call your reps, to tell them “NO” to cap and Trade!!
What do you think ??  Are any of you aware of this ??

Yep, already did, thanks for getting the word out, granny

well I’m glad you are aware , it almost snuck by me !

I get internet thru Montanasky - which is a company where you can actually talk to someone - they aren’t some faceless multi-national corporation. Like centurytel for instance!

AND the CBS poll is NOT conducted thru their website or thru their viewers.

Saying something like that is just plain stupid. Or par for the course when dealing w/ the UNTRUTH SQUAD -

REMEMBER the rightwing’s main tenants of belief are:

1.. all power to the corporation over WE THE PEOPLE
2. greed
3. fear

AND - I currrently pay 500 a month each for myself and my wife - we have a 2500 dollar deductible each and then are required to pay 75% of the next 10k.

So if I get rid of my health insurance and pay thru taxes to pay into medicare then the rate is about 350 -400 per person -WITH Minimal or NO DEDUCTIBLES.

SO I am taxed 800 a month BUT SAVE the 1000 a month and save the deductibles - SO IN THE END I SAVE MONEY!
AND AM delivered better care than is provided by the “deny all claims the 1st time around” greedy health insurance companies.

I wouldn’t expect any of you rightwingnuts to understand that.

Also i don’t throw every corporation into the same boat - for instance Costco pays a decent living wage while Wal-Mart pays a indigent wage - when Wal-Mart shows up in a community the welfare rolls explode - and many of the welffarerecipients are working at wallyworld.

Once again the rightwingnuts have turned 1+1 into 3 thru their black and white all-or-nothing zenophobic world view.

keep up the corporate apologist BS and you’ll further drive people away from your party.  AND give me a break - YOU ALL ARE REPUBLICANS - you just drove it into obscurity and instead of admitting your abject FAILURE you hope people are not paying attention while you all backpedal like mad!

AND history has recorded that the belief of the corporation to do whatever it wants w/ the gov and to write their own laws over WE THE PEOPLE was defined by Mussulini in the 1930’s - it is called FASCISM.  AND it is EXACTLY the rightwings world view.

You rightwingers just lack a foundation in world history to understand that.

THE VERY DEFINITION of HYPOCRITE!

BUT luckily you all are IRRELEVANT!!!!!!!!!

Should I hate a people for the shade of their skin
Or the shape of their eyes or the shape I’m in
Should I hate them for having our jobs today
No I hate the men who sent the jobs away

I can see them all now, they haunt my dreams
All lily white and squeaky clean
They’ve never known want, they’ll never know need
Their sh** don’t stink and their kids won’t bleed
Their kids won’t bleed in their da** little war
And we can’t make it here anymore

Will work for food will die for oil
Will kill for power and to us the spoils
The billionaires get to pay less tax
The working poor get to fall through the cracks
So let them eat jellybeans let them eat cake
Let them eat sh**, whatever it takes
They can join the Air Force, or join the Corps
If they can’t make it here anymore

So that’s how it is, that’s what we got
If the anyone wants to admit it or not
You can read it in the paper, read it on the wall
Hear it on the wind if you’re listening at all
Get out of that limo, look us in the eye
Call us on the cell phone tell us all lies

james mcmurtry

Woody…....http://www.geodon.com/

woody, or .....http://www.depression-guide.com/paranoia.htm

A quote from the late Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931–2005:  READ VERY CLOSELY PLEASE !!!!  “You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”