Comments on: Gun Bill Faces Growing Opposition
By Tanner on 03-17-09
Roller skating with a date down the Venice Boardwalk, a gruff voice to my rear called out “Get the f otta the bike lane, azhole”..Well, I instantly reversed direction and as I’m advancing toward the idiot on the bike, (with full intent to destroy his face) Joejerk pulled a snub nose from a little pouch on his handlebars and smiles “what you gonna do now, tough guy”. Moral of the story- a gun in the hand of a jerk can prevent costly plastic surgery.
By JB on 03-18-09
Of course law enforcement would complain about this bill - not only would it be tougher for them to do their job, they would have to be a lot more careful when dealing with an armed populace. They don’t want a clear definition of what citizen rights are with respect to gun laws - they want it gray on purpose, so they can act with relative inpunity. Prosecutors, in turn, want those quick turnovers on convictions to justify their jobs. They want the people to fear that criminals would be lurking in every shadow with concealed handguns, waiting to commit crimes - WAKE UP, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY ARE NOT DOING THAT ALREADY?? YOU REALLY THINK CRIMINALS ARE OBEYING THE LAW NOW??? Make no mistake - law enforcement doesn’t want you to openly carry a gun, for whatever reason - and they will make it tough on you if you even try it.
By funguymon on 03-18-09
That’s a good point that police officer made because currently the criminals are following the current gun laws and if this passed, they may then over step their legal boundaries.
By JB on 03-18-09
You gotta be kidding me funguy…you really think criminals carrying guns are obeying the law? Granted, the only way someone breaks the law now in Montana would be if they were carrying concealed (under clothing only) without a permit in a populated area - but do you actually believe that’s true?
By freeMONTANA on 03-18-09
Criminals never follow any gun laws. All this bill does is clarify certain areas of the current gun laws.I would hope that here in MT we would not need a law to go to the aide of another. Especially a woman, child, or elderly.
Before you judge this bill go read it online.
The Missoula police chief has taken an alarmist tone with this bill. It’s not police officers that have a problem with this bill, it is police administrators that do.
By freeMONTANA on 03-18-09
It looks like too me funguymon is being sarcastic?,,,,maybe he will explain?
By JB on 03-18-09
Sorry, didn’t catch the sarcasm there at first, thanks for pointing that out, freeMontana 
By JC on 03-18-09
The police objections are not about criminals. They are about any hothead with a few beers in him being able to “brandish a weapon” and possibly shoot someone because maybe they looked at him the wrong way. It’s about making it too easy for irresponsible and dangerous people to take out their aggressions. As with most positions the NRA supports (like the right to own assault weapons), this one is way out there. NRA is losing thinking members for precisely this kind of stance - but probably gaining brain-dead ones.
By freeMONTANA on 03-18-09
JC…...read and understand the bill. Again most of the complaints are from administrators not patrol officers.
BTW there is no such thing as a assault weapon.
By Farmer on 03-18-09
Assault weapons could mean even a Civil War musket. They were used to “assault” the other side so where do these nut cases draw the line? When they think they can get all our guns! Well let ‘em come!
By Jim on 03-18-09
This is beyond absurd. I’m glad I don’t live in Montana.
Have you guys realized that the 1800s are over?
By freeMONTANA on 03-18-09
Did you read the bill Jim? Yep and so are the 1900’s, whats your point?
By Alice on 03-18-09
Jim, you have know idea the morons that live here. What people don’t understand is that when you want to live out in the middle of nowhere and have guns to keep people away, you are not friendly. So where does the “Last Best Place” slogan come from. City people are used to each other and are therefore friendlier and more tolerant of others.
By freeMONTANA on 03-18-09
I have lived in many suburbs of Chicago, ranging from southwest to west side and the people there where not friendly at all. The same for the medium sized cities of Indiana. Alice I take it you have never been to the more rural areas of Montana, outside the somewhat more urban areas of Flathead, Lake, Missoula, Gallatin, or Yellowstone counties?
People why do you continue to use the cheap slogan and lie Last Best Place? How many native Montanan’s say this?
By conrad carter on 03-18-09
Police treat everybody like they are armed. Watch any Cop approach a vehicle from the rear and he puts his prints on it then positions himself slightly behind the drivers window or on the passenger side. Most police cars position themselves in a felony stop position when they pull you over. Point is, if they wonder they will ask if you are armed and this bill really would not change a lot. The previous poster is right, it’s the Administrators who get their panties in a twist not the beat cops. As for irresponsible carry, it already happens. The first poster uses stupidity to illustrate stupidity to discredit what might be a good idea.
By Tox on 03-19-09
Alice wrote: “City people are used to each other and are therefore friendlier”I’ve come to the opposite conclusion: The lower the population density, the friendlier people tend to be, especially at very low population densities. On a community level the folks function much more like a real interdependent community, and on personal level they appreciate seeing each other more. Even the stranger is treated personally and with interest.
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That’s why the downturn in the economy isn’t all bad for the Flathead. In the past downturns it has even been a benefit in the long run in that it kept the “development” down. Just look where the last 10-15 years of booming “development” have got us. More people, more sprawl, more ugliness, and definitely less friendliness.
By grannysgadgets on 03-19-09
I fully support this bill. I think that the criminals out there that want to pack concealed already are illegally. What this does it allows us law abiding citizens to carry, makes it legal for neighbors to defend eachother. Remember out here in rural MT the police have slight odds of showing up to save your life, they are showing up to investigate the crime scene ! Create less victims is what it will do !
By Alice on 03-19-09
Tox and Free MT…..your postings bring to mind a famous quote. “Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.”
By mtdon on 03-19-09
i’d have to agree w/ tox - people are more friendly in small towns -Is that even a question anymore? I don’t think so….Alice where are you from? some big city?
Last I checked most people who live out in the “middle of nowhere” use guns to protect their livestock, to go hunting, and yes to protect themselves…It doesn’t matter where you live the police will only respond after the fact…so until then you are on your own…..and if you have a family it is YOUR responsibility to protect them….I know for a fact that if you have a dog and a gun then you are much LESS likely to be robbed.
i think this law doesn’t go far enough - we should be able to use deadly force to also protect our property…. so if a robber breaks into your house at night you can shoot 1st and ask questions later…..
many states have this law and last I heard they weren’t becoming an area of daily shootouts…quite the opposite occurs when you put the criminals on notice that the next house they rob may be their last…
if anyone here has ever been a victim of a break-in then they should know that half the time the police act as if you are the problem and not the victim - besides the fact that you will NEVER get your stolen items returned and that the county judges will give the criminals a slap on the wrist and then let them go…..
remember the motto on gun control espoused by our Governor - gun control means hitting what you aim at….
By JB on 03-19-09
It has been proven time and time again that a lawful civilian armed populace reduces violent crime, not increasing it as so many antigun groups purport. Besides, it is not the responsibility of law enforcement to protect us, but to enforce law. It is our responsibility as law abiding citizens to defend ourselves, our loved ones and what is ours. HB 228 allows law abiding citizens to assume those responsibilities free of recrimination by government.
By Kilgore on 03-19-09
There are serious legal implications in this bill, mainly that it shifts the burden in self-defense cases to the prosecution, which is totally backwards. Criminals are the only ones who will benefit from this bill. Learn about the law JB and freeMontana. You already have the right to defend yourself. You guys obviously don’t understand what it means and are blinded by your simplistic notions of frontier justice. The Supreme Court has spoken consistently on the use of force in defense of property. It isn’t the same as defending your person. But you wouldn’t know that, would you? You just repeat what the NRA and like organizations tell you. Also, Gary Marbut is nuts.
By freeMONTANA on 03-19-09
Kilgore… Th burden of proof is always on the prosecution. Remember the prosecutor has to prove the defendant guilty. The defendant doesn’t have to prove himself innocent. Maybe you have heard of presumed innocent…until proven guilty. Since when did criminals worry about laws?
By JB on 03-19-09
Kilgore, have you even met Gary Marbut? I have…and he is clearly not “nuts”. Try carrying a handgun openly in any city in Montana and see how far you get without attracting attention from law enforcement. There are no guarantees out there. I bet you actually believe that the government stands by its decisions…but I happen to know different after seeing it firsthand with my own eyes. Why don’t you try opening yours?
By Freedom on 03-20-09
Tell it to the children that have been shot across the US in the last month. Tell it to the adults that have been shot down in malls and schools. Tell it to the mexicans that have been shot down by OUR guns that are being transported across the border. And yes, those are ASSAULT RIFLES (ak 47’s) or don’t you believe that is an ASSAULT! Tell it to the drug cartels that love us!!! Now, being an old fart, I guess I have to go out and get a gun and carry it with me all the time so I can protect myself against idiots like you if you get mad and decide to pull a gun. It will be easy for me to shoot you and call it self defense. Sounds like fun!!! Think I will buy a AK47 so it will be even more fun and I can get the innocent bystander too. But it was just self defense right??? You are all macho, unintelligent, idiots! Oh and I bet you are real sorry that you can’t carry your guns into Glacier anymore right? Now you can’t protect yourselves of those bad deer that keep attacking you!!!
By JB on 03-20-09
Freedom, I bet you don’t even live in Montana, do you? It’s your choice to carry or not to carry a gun! Of course, it’s people like you that look to the government to “do something”, when you don’t even have the courage or even care to do something for yourself!! You won’t even look at the statistics that prove an armed populace reduces violent crime!!! OR DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THE POLICE AND THE GOVERNMENT ARE THERE TO PROTECT YOU?!?!?!?! Your have some freaking gall calling yourself “Freedom” when it was guns that made our country free in the first place!! More than 50 times the number of kids and adults died in car accidents than guns in the last month—-I DON"T HEAR YOU SPEAKING UP TO BAN CARS!!! In fact, we should ban everything that kills kids and adults, right along with guns - right???!!! You people disgust me - you talk about guns being such a plague in our society, when its the criminals using the guns that are the problem!! If more people stood up to them to protect themselves and their property, I guarantee you there wouldn’t be as many!!! I warn you, if guns are banned in this country, the crime rate WILL rise dramatically, just as it has done in every country where there is a gun ban - Australia, the UK, Malaysia, the list goes on and on. Many more kids and adults will be shot when that happens. WAKE UP!!! WHO IS THE IDIOT NOW???
By mitch on 03-20-09
control yourself JB. You make no sense whatsoever when you throw out insults and name calling. If you did have a point it was lost in the gibberish.
By JB on 03-20-09
“DON"T TREAD ON ME”
By funguymon on 03-20-09
(cover’s mouth) uh hmm… excuse me, but I believe it is the fact that ‘drugs’ are illegal, which creates a black market for drugs, which creates drug dealers, gangs, cartels, mafias, etc. which creates a black market for guns, which entices people with the wrong intentions to carry those guns.
Thank You
By JB on 03-20-09
Touche, funguy…thank you
By ReallyFree on 03-20-09
Let’s be real, the Mexican cartels are using weaponry not available to USA citizens…or, where can I go to buy frags and RPG’s? Even in CA., any citizen can open carry unloaded (full mag on belt), and being Montana, one of the last “free” states, anything less than permit-less concealed or open carry would be a travesty. Take responsibility for your protection folks and lets save money on black boot thug oppressors. In the village I grew up in, we had 1 cop. You get outta line, you’d get several beatings before dad got to you.
By JB on 03-20-09
Last time I checked, a permit was required to purchase a fully automatic weapon - it’s just like antigun groups to put normally available rifles in the “assault weapon” category. You can’t just buy a full auto in any gun shop, even on the Mexican border. Do some research before you comment on subjects you know nothing about.
By Freedom on 03-20-09
Yes, I do live in Montana, although I am not sure how long. I believe if you READ, Reallyfree, you will find that the door is open on the American side of the border for Mexicans to buy any kind of gun they wish, including AK47’s and others. They love it!!! And if our cops did what your cop did (in your village) then they would be fired for their actions, even tho you needed it. Let’s face it folks, we are a nation out of control and to add to the list unregistered and concealed weapons, is chaos! As to JB, Mitch is right you are out of control and writing gibberish, however, I understand based on your level of intelligence that this is all you can come up with.
By Freedom is a misnomer on 03-20-09
Freedom, while you’re at it, why don’t we makes cars illegal, or not allow people to swim for fear of drowning, or not allow people to drink because they might not be in control of themselves. Oh, yes, the government always knows what’s best for me!!! Always trust the government!! They know what is in my best interest, and they always help me do the right thing!! Gee, maybe I better go turn in my guns to the cops right now before they become illegal!!!
By Freedom on 03-20-09
Most (if not all) people are out of control when they drink, so put that with a gun tottin macho man and yeeeeha, the old west is back! Guns make you a man “misnomer”? A man doesn’t NEED a gun to settle an argument, that is called civilization, however, I am not sure humans will ever be civilized!
By Freedom is a misnomer on 03-20-09
Obviously, the right words will get you out of any situation - even with someone trying to kill you with a gun. Just ask Freedom!!
By Dave Skinner on 03-20-09
Ah, “Freedom”—the fact that many humans will never be civilized is precisely why many of we humans who ARE civilized have chosen to keep and bear arms.Enjoy your trip back to civilization. Hope it is long, and one way.
By Drinksmokechasewomen on 03-20-09
OOOooo..scary..an AK47?? What is your malfunction toots? What do we care how many or where Mexcans buy their guns? If Obama wasn’t such a globalist suckaazz, we’d seal the border, permit the grape pickers and legalize all drugs. But the CIA and their owners are greedy tarts, the politicians crooked and gangsters rather sell dope than create self sufficient communities. Macho men, drunk and armed..now that’s a visual.
By freeMONTANA on 03-20-09
Why would Mexican drug runners buy a AK47 in the U.S. for several hundred dollars, when they can buy them in any third world country like Mexico or any Central or South American country. Or they could trade drugs for dope.
People will have to stop criminalizing the simple act of owning a “thing”. It’s not the “thing” that is illegal in it’s self, it is the way it is used.
Some of you need to learn these: Mala Prohibita and Mala en Se….there would be a lot less problems in this country.
By grannysgadgets on 03-20-09
Hmmm OK, first off AK-47’s are not coming from here, we dont produce them, and cant import them…. Secondly I strongly DISAGREE with the term “assault rifle” I think that requires the gun to have commited the assault ( I prefer semi-automtic). Thirdly I think it is one bone head idea to punish the American people for what the citizens of Mexico are doing ( disarm me over their conduct WHAT ?) Our gun laws are our second amendment right. Right after the freedom of speech…. Take away one, you will shortly loose the other…..... be sad to see these blogs vanish ( would miss a few of the narrow minded one sided ideas, !!) Who left the gate open ???
By Cowgirl Up on 03-20-09
I was raised in Tucson, Arizona….moved to Montana recently. You want to see guns…move to Tucson. You have to lock your doors everynight…put bars on your windows and arm your home alert system and it’s not because of your neighbor. Anybody can have my gun…bullets first!
By HeeHaw on 03-20-09
I’m a white guy in NW montana - not good at book lerning - and the world is passing me by. But my guns makes me feel important, tough and relevant. It’s easier for me to buy a gun than to actually do the hard work of getting educated and relevant to the world.
By Rawhide on 03-20-09
After reading some of these blogs, it’s easy to understand why our cops are concerned if this “everyone packin’ gun bill” gets passed. If people can lose their cool so easily over a few words in a newspaper blog, God help you if he’s packin and you piss him off on the street or in a local bar. When the cops are called, they won’t be pulling their tasers, dude. After all is said and done, a jury of sane and not too sympathetic people will be deciding your fate, not your “bill of rights”. I own guns too, but this bill scares the hell out of me.
By grannysgadgets on 03-20-09
Right with ya Cowgirl Up !
By Snake on 03-20-09
I enjoy fighting in a gym environment..you know- rules, refs, protective gear, mats etc. Unfortunately, depending on where one travels, you stand a good chance of passing those of mindset to rob/kill you. Not to mention potential for encountering hungry/rabid critters, brainwashed Obamatons/Bushbuttbuddies, deranged law enforcement or the most dangerous of all threats..the ex-volunteer for CIA psychological experiments, now on Prosac. Therefore, it’s certainly prudent to be armed and ever prayerful to Jesus that you don’t have to drop the hammer on someone. The 2A is clear…a free man walks tall and carries a gun on his hip and the Love of the Lord in his heart. Those of you that feel too sociologically advanced to carry or to refined to be around those that are armed can blow me.
By John on 03-20-09
Accidental gun deaths (that means our kids, spouses, friends of our kids) are 5 - 6 times higher in the U.S. than any other industrialized country in the world - and highest in states with lax gun regulations. Obviously, criminals aren’t the only people killing with guns… Of course - for gun nuts they don’t care about this - they are blinded by their irrational, paranoid fetish with guns (maybe to compensate for inadequacies elsewhere?)
By Rick on 03-20-09
John you are an absolute idiot. Do you realize you are 9000 times more likely to be killed by a physician accidentally in the united states than by guns accidentally? it is a fact. Check the statistics from the surgeon general and the fbi. Another fact you might want to look into is world war II and hitlers plan on getting rid of guns. Why are you so trusting of those who govern you, maybe you have an inadequacy? One last fact you should check out. Look at the crime rate in all fifty states for crimes committed with firearms. Did you realize that if you line up all fifty states in order of crimianal gun offenses - the ones with the lowest offenses of firearms crimes are directly proportianal to those with the highest gun ownership per capita. If you don’t like freedom and the ability to defend it, then move to a different country where everything is decided for you. Get out, we don’t need you. PS. Your statement about lax gun relation states is not based in fact only in hype. Get the hell out of our state and go back to where you hated before you came here.!!!!!
By Injustice in America on 03-21-09
Here is another instance of someone who was trying to protect themselves and their home in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina…
One of the emblems of Hurricane Katrina was the horrific invasion of Patricia Konie’s home by members of the California Highway Patrol (CHP). They entered Miss Konie’s home — against her expressed wishes. The Oakland TV station video of this can be seen at http://gunowners.org/notb.htm.
Miss Konie (as she is universally known) was told that she needed to leave the city even though the storm had passed, her home was high and dry, and she was well-provisioned. One of the cops asked what she would do if a looter invaded the house and she lifted her antique .38 revolver as if she were holding a paperweight. “With this,” she said.
One of them immediately shouted: “She’s got a gun.” Three of these big thugs then tackled her in her kitchen, breaking her collar bone. As they scuffled on the floor, one of them said, “We’re just trying to help you.”
The CHP attack team then hauled Miss Konie (pronounced Connie) out of her house, manhandling her into a truck to be shipped off to South Carolina for three months. Taxpayers also got stuck with the $3500 bill for providing shots and general care for her dog during this time.
In a conversation with Rep. Steve Scalise of New Orleans, I asked whether this little lady who probably does not weigh 100 pounds had had her gun returned. The Congressman had her phone number in his blackberry, and he had his staff get an answer to this question. She
had not, of course, gotten her gun back.
So we agreed that even though GOA could not get in the business of indemnifying gun owners who have been abused by their government, we could make whole this very conspicuous lady who had suffered from an out-of-control government.
I travelled to New Orleans on October 22 for the presentation of a replacement .38 caliber handgun. Scalise arranged for this to be done at the Pro Sport Shop in downtown New Orleans. Miss Konie made the purchase, and we had the news conference which went very well.
After the media left, the shop owner called in for a Brady Instant Check — as required by law — but was told the sale could not go through. Apparently, Miss Konie’s birth date on her Medicare records did not match the date on the driver’s license she used for the sale.
So, the government invades Miss Konie’s home, breaks her collar bone, steals her gun, and then uses a law that does not keep criminals from getting guns to keep Miss Konie from getting hers!
Don’t you feel safer knowing how the Brady Law has been protecting you from the likes of Miss Konie?
By funguymon on 03-21-09
By John on 03-20-09: “Blah blah blah (enter statistic) blah blah blah (emotional statement) blah blah blah”
By Rick on 03-20-09: John you are an absolute idiot.
haha, YES!
By John on 03-21-09
So facts established by the Centers for Disease Control make me an idiot? There is absolutely no correlation between crime rates and gun regulation. And with regard to compensating for inadequacies in other places…. “You doth protest too much…”
By Snake on 03-21-09
Well John, what to you propose? All citizens disarmed? Firearms stored at an armory to be checked out? I’m a big guy and well hung and frankly, pansies like you that misquote and misinterpret violence statistics make we want to come over and wring your fat neck..(or are you a chicken neck?) Either way, when the Obamatons come to confiscate our weapons you will be one of the first to get their head blown off for snitching out your neighbors for that free turkey. Say your prayers dinglehalls.
By John is a liar on 03-21-09
If the CDC is wrong, then prove it John, otherwise go back to drinking your government approved koolaid and watching the Entertainment Channel. Other private organizations as well as government agencies have the same data.
By 4 John on 03-21-09
911 Caller With Gun in Home Invasionhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ExC7fE1LaY
911 Caller Without Gun in Home Invasion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3vWsa4ags
By Our future on 03-21-09
“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”
Adolph Hitler
Chancellor, Germany, 1933.
By John on 03-21-09
To John is a liar from John: I quoted the CDC research that shows the US accidental gun death rate is 5 to 6 times that of other industrialized countries. It was all of the wingnuts on here who don’t like it when the facts get in the way of their paranoia.
By JB on 03-21-09
John, did you check the number of deaths of all children in the US in those years as compared to the accidental gun death rate? You’ll find that more children died from poisioning by ingesting household chemicals, drowning, choking on peanut butter and jelly sandwiches or being in a car accident as Mommy or Daddy drove them around (the number one cause of deaths). The CDC number is a function of the number of privately owned guns in the US versus other countries - and it is actually less than 1 percent of all child deaths in the US. I’m not saying I condone children being killed by guns in the home, but you most certainly can see that statistics can be twisted to make anybody’s point.
By Farmer on 03-22-09
You Idiots! Wake up! Guns don’t kill people, its people who do. Example: England—now they are using knives, swords, etc to do the deed. Unless of course you figure in the illegal firearms that are smuggled in. WAKE UP!
By Joe on 03-22-09
To Farmer: yeah, and the murder rate in the UK is a fraction of that in the US. Sure, guns don’t people, people kill people—but often WITH GUNS, which sure make it a helluva lot EASIER to kill people.
THINK!!!!
By Joe on 03-22-09
My solution is that we should return to the crown—the UK is way more civilized and intelligent than this country, and the worst mistake we ever made was the revolution. We ought to give up our guns in exchange for tea, the BBC, and good conversation- invite the Queen back in, and cede Alaska to the Hicks- they can stew up there with all the weaponry their little hearts desire. What say you friends??? Give up the gun and embrace the monarch!!!
By littlehawk12 on 03-22-09
i have a solution for you joe…................ move to the UK.the great UK that is over run by muslims ..the great UK ,where only the rich are allowed to hunt.by the way ,if you dont like hicks .WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING HERE!!!!!
By Harley F Davidson on 03-22-09
Recent quote from well known technology speaker on blogging:
“Never before have so many people with so little to say said so much to so few.”
I think he’s on to something.
However, this lady has LOTS to say:
Meaning of 2nd Amendment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis
By grannysgadgets on 03-22-09
I never imagined that there would be those that have no regard for the constitution, people that hate the very grains that make this country great. Well at least not here in Montana. I must have a great community, neighbor’s, family, and friends ! The other part I dont understand is if you so dislike Montana’s laws, and ways, if you detest the USA , and all that this great nation was built on.
No ones forcing you to stay…... There’s plenty of countries that have exactly what you would be comfortable in ! Why sit here and gripe ? I would suggest moving on, instead of trying to push your socialist ideals on us red blooded Americans.
By littlehawk12 on 03-22-09
AMEN grannysgadgets!!!!!!!!I I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THESE SCMUCKS COME TO MONTANA AND THEN WHINE ABOUT GUNTOTING REDNECKS!!BE KINDA LIKE ME MOVING TO THE GHETTO AND THEN COMPLAINING ABOUT CRACKDEALERS.GET OUT!!!YOU TEA DRINKIN WHINEBAG!111
By Kristen H on 03-22-09
Except that these red-blooded infidivualist Montanans get $3 from New Yorkers and Californians for every $1 in taxes they pay. It’s easy to be an “individual” when your community and society (the roads your drive, the water you drink, the subsidies paid to farmers etc) is being paid for by other people. Montana would be a third-world country if it wasn’t for the subsidies of the so-called “socialist” states.
By littlehawk12 on 03-22-09
what are you talking about kristen?how the heck is california taking care of montana, when california cant even pay its own bills?i pay a monthly water bill for the water i drink! i buy from the farmers market! and do some planting myself! III dont get a damn dime from no damn new yorker or calYfornian!im buying silver coin and bartering with people doing the same things as i have stated above.you are good at catagorising,i will give you that ..again i have to ask ...what the hell are you talking about?montana should break awy from the feds PERIOD we dont need them we have our own farms, ranches ,game,guns,mineral mines and fuel resourses.THANK YOU!THANK YOU!!
By Farmer on 03-22-09
A suggestion! We could secede from the Union, then declare war on the Union and then the next day surrender and live on Foreign aid. Other countries live off of the US why couldn’t us Montanans? Now wouldn’t that solve all the bleeding hearts problems? HMM?
By Kristen H on 03-22-09
Every time you drive a road in Montana you are driving on roads that were largely paid for by taxpayers in other states: that’s just ONE example of how Montana is subsidized. Are you going to start walking everywhere? I bet you drive your truck to the farmer’s market… did you even stop to think who paid for the road you are driving your truck on?
By littlhawk12 on 03-22-09
its hard to EDGEucate someone who dosnt know anything ,but ill try.almost all original roads and bridges were built by miners ,the timber industry and farmers,and ranchers.local and state people would and should keep up the ttheir own roads and bridges without fed aid! it is the feds that created the dependency on all kinds of things, not only roads.so that people like you KRISTEN would and will depend on your bleesed federal government for your every little need .the fact is is that locals would find a way to maintain its own infrastructure without the feds.how do you think this country was origionally built?OH, and yes i would walk if i had to.my grandmother and her family walked almost everywhere during the great depression.why couldnt i?
By JB on 03-22-09
Kristen, we are happy that other people have paid for our roads and projects subsidized by Federal dollars. That doesn’t give them the right to tell us how to live our lives!! I would rather have Montana look like a third-world country than have Montana end up being like New York or California is now!! Careful, Farmer, you might be labeled a terrorist and be locked up in a federal prison for making antigovernment statements, or at the very least, end up on a terrorist watch list…welcome to the police state of Amerika.
By JB on 03-22-09
I think all the antigun types should move to someplace with gun restrictions, like Los Angeles or Chicago or Washington DC, so they could see what it’s like to be robbed at gunpoint by a thug with an illegally concealed weapon. Call the police? Yeah, right…think you’ll be severely injured or dead by the time the police arrive. It takes some gall for these big city types to leave there former abodes, come to Montana to live, and then tell us that we should give up our guns? Why don’t you go back to where you came from…you’re not welcome here!!
By Kristen H on 03-22-09
When you are a part of a nation - you should expect to have to participate in the rules of that nation- that was what the civil war was about - you saying the South should have won? And the only people getting into our homes and telling us how to live our lives are the Republicans—take Terri Schaivo for example…
By Kristen H on 03-22-09
Why is it that when somebody disagrees with a reactionary they always think they come from another place that they should go back to? When confronted with the fallacy of their old ideas, the best that can be brought forward are “go back to where you came from” or threats of violence? That kind of “thinking” is not the basis of a healthy and successful society. Please be a part of the future and not an irrelevant fixture of the past.
By JB on 03-22-09
I will not give up my rights for an ideal. Period.
By JB on 03-22-09
Or my freedoms, for that matter.
By littlehawk12 on 03-22-09
an old idea like what ,kristen h?the constitution is not written to be to be changed or infringed upon.this is where you live this is the law of the constitition.there are other countries to go live if you dont like it!!!!!!!!!
By JB on 03-22-09
To quote a phrase:There are laws that enslave men, and there are laws that set men free, and if a government cannot serve man, then they are just another robber tribe.
By OOps on 03-22-09
JB and littlehawk12: I think people could respect your position if it were more consistent. You seem to care about your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment (which does contain the words “Well-Regulated”) but then not care too much when the Bush administration walks completely over bedrock provisions of the Constitution.
By littlehawk12 on 03-22-09
dont tell me idont care.i despise that bush schmuck just as much as i do the rest of most of them socialist back east
By littlehawk12 on 03-22-09
kristen krisyen ..what are we to do with you!!!a well regulated malitia has NOTHING to to with the PEOPLES AND CITIZENS RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS !!!nice try though..haha.toushay
By JB on 03-22-09
So now I favored Bush, because you think I am hard core right wing?? DEAD WRONG. I am a constitutionalist, and am certainly no supporter of Bush’s policies (wondering how you pulled that one out). Bush was a tyrant in my view. Just because I am in favor of legally carrying a firearm concealed or openly as I choose, with no interference from law enforcement, that makes me a reactionary? If the government took away your right of free speech or assembly, wouldn’t you react in the same way? The right may not matter to you…but it certainly matters to me. Everybody acts as though owning and carrying a firearm is a privilege and not a right. Driving a car is a privilege - owning and carrying a firearm is a right. I would defend your right to speak openly, without reservation, even though we don’t agree, because I do fervently believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Even Bush said; “The Constitution is just a piece of paper”. To me, it is much more than that.
By littlehawk12 on 03-22-09
aplogies kristen if oops is not you.oops oops oop s.right to bear arms and form well regulated malitias.you people trip me out with the way you will twistwords like well regulated.thats not even a oops that is just a total srew up..!!!
By Joe on 03-22-09
fact is, it’s you hick types who are in the minority in this country—and will be increasingly so as demographics shift to a more Liberal-white/African-American/Hispanic/Asian population base- the Obama election was the writing on the wall—soon enough we’ll be sending in the marines to disarm you hicks and put you to work doing community service in the inner city, where you can actually learn something and do some good.Your time is coming- enjoy your guns while you can…
lol
By CommieKIller on 03-22-09
Hey Joe, you obviously looking forward to being enslaved. Good for you. You probably already have your pressed new Obamaton uniform all laid out and ready go. Have you read “Gulag Archipelago”? BTW..the sheriff in town has more power over what goes down in Flathead then the Obama. Our guns are safe from the feds if we stick together. Sorry Joe, you and your kind, however have got to go. (smile..bang!) Pinko. http://www.newswithviews.com/Stang/alan192.htm
By Joe on 03-22-09
half-wit hicks with hunting rifles and bowie knives versus the might of the US army????.....hmmmmm, wonder who’ll win…..
face it Commiekiller- your time has come—give up your gun and get ready for a lifetime of community service.
remember the Vulcan adage: “the good of the many outweighs the good of the few”—and you, my friend, are one of the few….your time has come, and your kingdom is DONE
By littlehawk12 on 03-22-09
joe.you are one stupid s o b ..you really think the army and marines are gonna disarm their own people?.the geneneral of the us army already came out and said ,it aint hapnin’you liberal schmucks think that the government is gonna save you .that is your problem!!!!!!!!!!!
By joe on 03-22-09
The US army does what it’s commander in chief orders- always has and always will—that’s why this country is different from, say, Pakistan. If we as a polity decide that you hicks need fewer guns and more community service, ain’t nothing you can do about it. Suck up the truth little tweetie bird—it might taste bad, but it’s the only drink in town.
By islo on 03-22-09
Geez- can’t you tell Joe is playing you?
By littlehawk12 on 03-22-09
nonononono!joe you forget that any general in the us armed forces has the right to arrest any public official,including the president,that tries to do any thing unconstitutional.why obama and bush have not been arrested is beyond me!
By Joe on 03-22-09
Tweetie bird, you gotta read history right—you folks are becoming EXTINCT. As Lenin put it: ‘we will consign you to the ash-heap of history’—although, as I said above, I wouldn’t be averse to making Alaska into a Hick reservation—perhaps us liberals can organize ‘Hick safaris’, look at the natives grunting, shooting, and swilling bud, in bullet proof buses of course….
By littlehawk12 on 03-22-09
as far as that goes.all us.armed forces are sworn to hold up the constitution as law .not what the commander in chief says you freakin dimwit
By joe on 03-22-09
hey big bird, so you reckon a move to increase gun control would be interpreted by top brass as a fundamental violation of the constitution, prompting a military coup???!!!... wake up out of your insane-hick wet dream and confront reality dude—it ain’t that scary!!!!
By phyllis on 03-22-09
when it comes down to the nitty-gritty and it will, there will be an uprising and a revolution that up to now you have never witnessed. I will not give up my guns. I have never shot anyone. The facts are that doctors have misdiagnosed and killed more people in a year than guns. There are to many people that believe in the 2nd amendment to go quietly. I am one and would like JB on my side.
By Kellyn Brown on 03-22-09
This thread is being shut down because two people are continuing to using threatening language toward each other.
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