Taz, do you serve cheese with your whine.  You, Alice and all the other property rights facists in Flathead County are about to get a lesson, and Brenneman will be the teacher.  Private property and property rights are as one radical Republican nut once said, about to be relegated to the “trash heap of history.”  Go Joe Go !!!!!

Run Joe run!

Taz, get some new material. Is Russ Crowder out of town, maybe you should try Ray Thompson. Somebody from ADM help him, you can only dance to the same song for long.

I’m sorry, I would’ve dropped by sooner except I was busy rolling on the floor laughing my head off! This is hysterical! To think Brenneman actually believes the voting public wants him for 4 more years is the most hilarious thing I’ve head all year!

Yes Joe, please run. Nothing will give me greater pleasure than seeing you booted out of office!
p.s. Thanks for the laugh. You made my day!

Bravo, Joe.  We’re all pleased as punch that you are not letting the land rights loonies run you off.  You’ve got my vote, and I’ll be sending a campaign contribution along shortly.  Keep up the good work.  Flathead County needs competent leadership such as you provide.

Joe Brenneman versus either, Howard (hey you kids get outta my yard) Gipe, who is something like a 120 years old, or Pam (sell all federal and state land ) Holmquist who doesn’t even live in the right district to run, and is one of the staunchest ADM members around.
Things are really starting to look up. A few weeks ago I was a little worried, starting to get some faith back. Democrats are starting to show they do have backbones and Obamas getting back to where he was when he got elected. No more trying to work with the republicants on health care, gonna push it through with a public option by process of reconcilliation. Even Tester is on board with it now. All we gotta do is get Mr. wimpy( Baucus) to go along with it and its a done deal.
Yeah the futures so bright I’m gonna hafta where sunglasses.

Great news!  You got my vote Joe!    I think thru this last fiasco people have realized just how hard you will work to protect this valley of ours!  Yeehaw!

Thank goodness Joe is stepping up to this thankless job again.  I’ll be sending in my campaign contribution and suggest that, if you’ve been reading the commissioner blogs on this website and are disgusted by Taz, Alice, Thornton, and the other rabid ultra right wingists, you do too.  In fact, let’s get him a campaign manager who knows the tactics of the opposition.  How about a televised debate?  Does someone have a connection with our TV stations?  They must be good for more than reporting the weather.  If anyone on this blog knows where to send contributions, let’s hear it.  It’s time this valley operates on a more sophisticated level, where ideas are debated and candidates evaluated based on their vision for the Flathead rather than letting ignorance prevail.  We have a window to bring balance to the commissioners’ office.  Property rightists want all the rest of us to go away or remain uninvolved.  Only good can come of mounting an equal and balancing voice here.  It’s time.  It’s important.  It’s necessary.

After that rant, Taz, no comment is necessary to point out your ignorance and politics and specious reasoning.  Give it up.  You’re only hurting yourself.

Yeah Taz, I’m really the power behind ADM, and I’m married to the tooth fairy, and my kids are wood gnomes.
Keep on telling yourself how well the GNope party is going to do this fall, just cause people are frustrated with the Democratic party for allowing the party of no to stop them, doesn’t mean that they have forgotten how bad Bush and company screwed this country up.

Go Joe!  I’ll send in my contribution and maybe a bit for Taz and Alice…..

The interesting thing about the Bush disaster was the total disregard for individual freedom, civil rights and states rights.  Isn’t it strange that the people here condemning Bush cheer for the end of property rights?  Meanwhile supporters of property rights on this cite cheer for the administration which in recent time has most injured state and individual rights and appointed 2 justices to the supreme court that actually have poor histories of supporting property rights.

Funny how we seem to step on ourselves based on the moments urge to rant. Joe good for you for running.  But please Joe quit acting superior to the rest of us. Be the good civil servant you could be.

middle-

you’re wrong about holmquist. she does indeed live in the right district. i called the elections office for verification. you are also wrong about any association with ADM (nice try though trying to link her with that group). you don’t do much homework do you?

coffeejunk-

yes, please do send your contribution to the 3 Million Dollar Man. he’s going to need it. maybe you’ll want to send a little extra for the doughnut residents too. they know all about how sophisticated Joe is.

although coffeejunk, middle, mitch, mongrel, debbie, ds, O&B and Joe himself think him to be a mental giant; let’s not forget what he’s really qualified for…teet-pulling.

Got milk?

So Alice four years ago Holmquist ran in the sourthern district of Flathead County, this year she running in the North-east district. She hasn’t moved, so did she run in the wrong district 4 years ago, or is she just moving her address to accomadate running. If she loses, in 2 years she can run in the north-west district. I would have liked to see if you actually kept a straight face when you wrote that she doesn’t belong to ADM. I hope you make better tacos than the baloney you just put out.

Oh, Alice, don’t lower yourself to that level of reasoning.  Or is that where you normally live?  And association with ADM is NEVER provable. That’s the genius of Crowder’s plan.  One can only pick out his “travelers” by actions and language.  Don’t have to be a member of the party to do its work.  That’s an old communist tactic.  Oh yes, and I know that you’ll rant about me being a communist.  But that’s just your simplistic mind trying to handle a more complex world.

nice try once again but I’m not Alice Blasdel. not even close.

Holmquist moved over 2 years ago. that’s certainly easy enough to verify, yet you’d rather imply skullduggery (just can’t help yourself can you?). If you think she’s connected to ADM prove it. show us her name on the membership list. what’s that? Oh yes…that’s right..IT’S NOT THERE!!!

O&B

I can’t believe it! You just called Russ Crowder a genius! Congratulations, you’re now on the ADM list!

There is no membership list except for the ones Crowder and Thompson keep. A very secretive group ADM is, if I believed in conspiracy theories I’d think they were hiding something. But we all know there just a bunch of hard working, God loving,gun toting, flag waving patriots who are protecting the good ol USA from the red menace.

Alice, I absolutely agree with you, Joe is a farmer, Gary owned a little restaurant, Jim was a cop.  What kind of school do you go to for county commissioner training?  Maybe it’s all common sense, listening to the people and maybe some more common sense?

middle-

maybe you could flush out the list. know any good plumbers?!!!

coffeejunk-

huh?

Alice -  and yet more simplistic reasoning by you.  “Genius” means a person who influences another for either good or bad.  Hitler was a genius.  Crowder is keeping good company.

alice are you saying dairy farmers are not qualified to run for local political office but shipshandlers are? how quaint.

We all knew the three million dollar man would file after he voted the settlement down and not before.  I’m surprised he has the courage with what he has done to this county on North Shore alone.  Be real interesting to read his deposition and see just why the county needs to settle.  Joe also is going to have to explain why his property got left out of the FEMA maps.  Hmmmmm, wonder how that happened Joe?

Yeah Alice I do know a couple of good plumbers, I also know some electricians too who could help enlighten you.

I’m really not getting the hate from taz and alice about joe being a farmer. you two little girls are really showing how petty you can be…..................

If he was a republicant they would say he was the best farmer in the state.

so should you, taz

I don’t care what party you belong to - if you let your cows drop their pies in the Flathead River (or any river) it’s wrong. I wouldn’t applaud it or condone it.

Hey Taz-

There’s a perfectly good explanation for the reasoning of mongrel, mitch, debbie, ds, O&B, middle and coffeejunk. They forgot to stop by the Goldenleaf and get their “medication”.

Alice , you Taz, blusky and truthorcon could use a little weed to mellow you out. It would at the very least make you a might bit tolerable. Maybe than even your families might like you a little bit.

IMPORTANT NOTICE:  To all ADM operatives.  Don’t forget that your “SECRET DECODER RING” from the last election cycle needs to be turned in for reprograming.  Your old ring will not work as all codes have been changed for the 2010 election cycle.  Turn your ring in early so that you can recieve your marching orders in a timely manor.

What are you talking about Russ, according to the posts on here you are the only member of ADM. Everyone else denies any knowledge of it.

there’s always the tin foil hat truthorcon

Did you know several decades ago the EPA adopted a regulation that required farmers to post notices on their pasturelands stating that cows should not defecate within twenty feet of a flowing stream?

Seems they didn’t have a clue that cows couldn’t read the signs.

Sorta like Joe.

Miised, You are probably right about Brenneman not getting reelected, after all Flathead County voters did elect Watne and Oldenburg twice and Williams once. Goes to show the quality of commisioners that the republicants have had. Compared to those three I’ll take Joe anyday.

Mongrel,

I definitely believe that 32 years of business ownership far exceeds the qualifications of teet-pulling.

Alice, I went back to see what you are referring to and I think you are oversimplifying just a little bit. You seem like a smart lady, if only you could ditch the sarcasm.

valleyres, wow!  What did aLice say that would make you think that? (the smart lady comment)  If she ever did have a intelligent thought it’s forever buried in the name calling and sarcasm.  Maybe I missed something?  Very easily done, when the gibberish starts I tend to skip the rest of the post and those that follow under than name.

mitch
I’ve notice a pattern with you. You always seem to accuse others of the very thing you are most guilty of.

You wouldn’t know an intelligent thought if it sat on your lap and called you, “Mama”.

Knowing many farmers and ranchers in the valley, I think Alice is insulting most of them. My wifes family dairy farms in another area, they work very long hours on the farm and then spend many more hours on the business end of it. To act like family agriculture is not a business is just ignorance.

Thanks aLice for proving my point

Mitch, I know Alice, she actually is very bright. If I did not know this from personal experience, I would not guess it from her mean-spirited and snarky posts. Was hoping to nudge her away from the sarcasm, oh well.

I doubt if valleyres really knows Alice.  From her postings, like most property owners and property rights nuts, she is about as “bright” as a burned out small appliance bulb!  Most property owners in Flathead County, like Alice, are good examples of why we need a commissioner like Joe Brenneman to protect the people and the land!!!

i love portland!

aLice
Dunno, there’s so much BS on this post being spread by you and your cohorts I doubt there’s enough to spread elsewhere.  Why would you spread it on a road?  No wonder you have no use for farmers, you really know nothing about them….do you?  They’re good hard working people.  Can’t really believe you’re a business person…......you’re much too nasty to be put into a situation of dealing with the public.

Couple of points, followed by a couple more.

From 1900 to the present time, Flathead County population has grown by approximately 2.7% per year on average. The rate changes year by year, up or down, but is actually quite consistent.  Every time there’s an up trend, people think it’s the beginning of the end.  Two things happen. One, people start making rash predictions that our population will double in ten years.  They’re always proven wrong. Two, people start subdividing property like crazy.  A lot of them go bankrupt in the process.

Population growth and subdivision activity have very little to do with who is in the Commissioner’s office.  It has a whole lot more to do with two novel ideas.  First, people move here. They want a place to live.  So they shop around, find something they like, and either rent or buy.  On land some dastardly developer subdivided once upon a time.  Second, they have babies, who grow up to be young men and women, some of whom shop around, find something they like, and they either rent or buy.  On land some other dastardly developer subdivided once upon a time.

In 1972, the state legislature mandated every city and county adopt Subdivision Regulations.  Mandated, not optional.  Zoning is still optional.  Floodplain Regulations were also put in place, as were Sanitation Regulations.  The way it works, if you have a piece of property and you can meet a) the Subdivision Regulations, b) the Zoning Regulations, c) the Floodplain Regulations, and d) the Sanitation Regulations, you can subdivide your property.

If you don’t like subdivisions in certain areas of the county, there are a couple of ways to handle it - 1) buy the property and lock it up, or 2) change one or more of the body of regulations that pertain to the division of land so that kind of land can’t be subdivided anymore.

Trouble with that is that you begin to edge into playing games with equal protection under the law – that means that you cannot restrict land development on one side of a road when you’ve already approved development on the other side of the road.  It also means that if any of you value your own property rights, then you have to value everyone’s property rights. 

And by the way, Expressed Public Opinion was removed by the state legislature decades ago as a criterion upon which approval or denial of a subdivision could be based.  So subdivision approval or denial is no longer based on opinion, but quantifiable criteria instead.

Bottom line is, if ANY Commissioner of either political party follows the laws and regulations that are in place, they will have very little effect on the proliferation of subdivisions in our county - that issue is driven by the marketplace and the laws and regulations which govern that activity.  And the Commissioners job is not to keep property developers from going bankrupt, nor is it to guarantee they will make money.

Why are you so interested in me aLice?  I could less about you…................nor do I play your silly games.    Find someone else to play with

Alice and Taz, a month or so ago we were all discussing the pre-release center and you were so absolutely against that.  What would your thoughts be if they were trying to put that out at North Shore Ranch? Or if it were the new city airport?  To me, is seems property rights are property rights.  I guess the reason I am so opposed to the NSR is because of all the other half finished, half empty sub divisions in the valley and the fact that they never should be built on a swamp.  If somebody in your family wanted to buy one of those homes, in good faith, would you support them?  Just wondering….

Tazmanian,
I think I can help you out there. Let’s just say if the shoe fits on that West Valley plumber - he should wear it!

mItch

Gee, and we were having so much fun playing in the sandbox together. Now you want to take you toys and go home. Ah well, looks like you can dish it out, but you can’t take it very well. Such is life. Just when I thought I had a good playmate…

coffeejunk
I’m against a pre-release center anywhere in Flathead County.

The fact remains that Hall and Brenneman had NO LEGAL standing to deny NSR. There’s no way getting around that.

So, if Averill wanted to put a pre-release center on that land, would you fight it?

Prerelease Centers and property rights are two seperate issues and I’m not sure why you are trying to link the two together.
We oppose prerelease centers period. We opposed the prerelease center south of Kalispell and we opposed the prerelease center in Evergreen and we oppose a prerelease center in the North Valley. We never opposed the landowners, only the facility.

and what of the property owner’s right to establish a prerelease center on his property?  alice and taz, please try to answer the question without using tired cliches, sarcastic commentary or personal attacks.

Just trying to prove a point in a round about way.  I am not against the property owners.  I am against another piece of ground being paved over, built up and almost abandoned, like so many others sitting in the valley right now.  You are against a prerelease center.  If we go by PROPERTY RIGHTS and what is legal, instead of common sense ALL of the time, we would both be very unhappy, right?

Taz
Thank you for articulating the issue. I couldn’t agree more.

I hear a lot of rancor toward and outright denigration of anyone who defends property rights. I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating.  These anti-property rights tirades are getting tiresome. 

Those property rights are what sets America apart from any society ever to exist. Those property rights are why even many ‘poor’ people in America are wealthier than most of the people in the world.

Rather than verbally crucify property rights proponents, some of you need to stop and think through the consequences of what you are saying.

One of your Bundle of Property Rights is the right to exclude anyone you want from your property.  That’s why the police have to get a warrant to search your property - and if they fail to do so, the ACLU is among the first to file a lawsuit against the violation of this property right.  I’m guessing most of you want to keep that property right.

I’m also guessing most of you don’t want to come home from work one day, only to discover that your house is now an army barracks.  Government can take property, but they have to justify it and pay for it.

And then there’s the odd burglar that likes to break in and steal your stuff.  If you have no right to prevent people from entering your property, you really have no right to gripe if they ‘borrow’ a few items if they visit when you’re not home.

One of your property rights is to utilize your property for an economically viable use.  Doesn’t matter if you’ve owned the property for a hundred years, or bought it just last week.  Suppose decide to sell your inherited farm land as development property.  You sell it to Smith & Jones for its market value, and life just got easier for your family. Selling your property is, by the way, another of your Bundle of Property rights.

But if the government had decided your property was nice as open space, and they arbitrarily and capriciously prevent it from ever being subdivided, you couldn’t have sold it for nearly as much.  Your property rights would also have been violated by that action.

I’ve only one question to ask those of you who voice your anti-property rights viewpoints - WHICH PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP YOURSELF?

YOUR right to exclude others?
YOUR right to an economically viable use?
YOUR right to sell your property?
YOUR right to be compensated if the government takes your land?

So, WHICH ONES ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP?

I suspect that many of you will decide that you really don’t want to give up YOUR property rights. But it seems you’re ready to give up someone else’s property rights, and if he or she gripes about it, they’re property rights kooks! 

Particularly when it comes to guys like Crowder.  So it’s OK to diminish his property rights, eh?  After all, that would be for the ‘common good’, wouldn’t it?

Unless you’re willing to give up your own property rights, all of them, then you have to value and defend everyone else’s property rights.

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