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By walk_the_line on 06-26-09
There’s your first mistake a former planner! Good luck business community. You can kiss your businesses good bye with the no-growth agenda she will bring. So long economic engine i.e. business!
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By Roark on 06-26-09
She’s an anti-business over paid beaurocrat.
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By senator blutarski on 06-26-09
Roark,
Do you know this woman personally? If not how can you make those ridiculous assumptions? Please enlighten us!
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By Firebeam on 06-26-09
So let me get this straight… She is Dropping from a population of 170,000 to a population of roughly 18,000. And dropping from 2400 employees to approximately 50 employees. Yet she gets the SAME salary and benefits???? Wow, where do I sign up???? What a deal…FOR HER. Meanwhile, citizens are going to be paying for someone who will be boared to tears and playing solitaire on her computer all day. Why the heck do we need BOTH a Mayor AND City Manager in a town this size??? Can you say “costly duplication”? Geeze and they complain about a little overtime for the fire department. Priorities seem horribly out of whack, don’t they?
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By corsair1945 on 06-27-09
Why didn’t they hire the interim guy, a local not good enough?
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By Nancy on 06-27-09
I still do not understand not hiring someone in our own State who knows what to expect and can deal with small town USA.
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By mooseberryinn on 06-27-09
Can’t hire anyone from Montana - they’re probably too conservative.
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By MontanaTrace on 06-27-09
It was “Tax and Spend” now it’s becoming “Spend then Tax.“ Just like in Dayton.
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By grannysgadgets on 06-27-09
LOL Mooseberryinn, you are probably correct on that one !
Nancy it seems every important job that comes up in our counties ends up being ran by someone from another state…..... Makes no sense to me either ! BUT little does make sense these days really.
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By Karen on 06-27-09
I think the reason they HAVE to hire people from out of state is that anyone living in the state would have easy access to finding out about our mayor and council and they’d never take the job. Has to be someone who’s totally in the dark about our city gov.
That’s my opinion and i’m sticking to it LOL
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By Roark on 06-27-09
Exactly my point too MontanaTrace, thank you.
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By mooseberryinn on 06-28-09
If we have a mayor and a city council, what do we need a city manager for? Especially at over 100k!
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By Karen on 06-28-09
or maybe just the city manager and no mayor?
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By Roark on 06-28-09
A City Manager does all the work that the Mayor and City Council should be doing. Just more frivolous government personnel.
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By Kalispell Native on 06-28-09
corsair: they didn’t hire the local guy because he didn’t want the job. duh.
Myrt is retired. He came out of retirement on a short-term deal.
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By Kalispell Native on 06-28-09
Firebeam: We have a mayor/citymanager style of city government because that is what the people of Kalispell VOTED for.
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By corsair1945 on 06-28-09
Kalispell Native; Thanks for the info, but you don’t have to be a sarcastic twit about it by using the word “duh”. I was asking a simple question.
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By Firebeam on 06-28-09
Kalispell Native: I didn’t ask HOW we got both, I asked WHY we need it? As in why did the voters think that was a good thing, and now after having experienced it, would they like to reconsider that decision. I’m outside the city, so I don’t get a vote, but I sure do wonder what the voters thought then or think now about the form of government they’ve chosen. I’ll bet many think the 100k could be put to far better use than another layer of beurocracy.
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By Kalispell Native on 06-28-09
I was a teen back then so it wasn’t on my top 10 list of things to pay much attention to. One would have to go back thru the DIL’s morgue, or the Kalispell Weekly News, to find out how the debate transpired. IIRC, the debate was heated and the vote was fairly tight.
The more I think about it, I think removing the possibility of potential big-city type patronage, favoritism and inconsistency in operating city services was one reason. The other main reason was that having a trained professional was preferable to having someone doing it has a side job.
I don’t what the mayor was paid then nor do I know what their stipend is now.
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By Roark on 06-28-09
So, will there be a Tea Party in Kalispell on the 4th? anybody have any details?
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By Kalispell Native on 06-28-09
Will you be in attendance Chris/Roark?
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By the way on 06-28-09
That’s just silly. Nobody here has the power to demand any use or display of common sense or fiscal responsibility in Kalispell’s weird system of government.
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By grannysgadgets on 06-29-09
Roark : I could’nt find any for Kalispell, but there are others in the state :
(501 going on across the country of the 4th, many are planing a march on Washington)
Montana Independence day tea party.
Bozeman MT. Meet @ library march to court house 2-7 pm. Family BBQ follows
Joan Stanley (organizer)
406-579-1496 (organizer phone)
Includes “ Oath keepers ceremony”. Live music as well
Glendive Freedom Rally & Spending Protest
Glendive, Montana
Saturday, July 4, 2009
11:00 AM to 1:00 PM
E.P.E.C.
Glendive
Betsey Hedrick (organizer)
406-337-1728 (organizer phone)
09.12.09 National Taxpayer Protest
Great Falls, Montana
Saturday, September 12, 2009
1:00 pm
Civic Center
Park Drive and Central Avenue
Cyndi Baker and Jack Lien (organizer)
406-453-9605 & 406-788-0711 (organizer phone)
Big Sky Tea Party
Helena, Montana
Saturday, July 4, 2009
12:00pm / 4:00pm
Memorial Park
Last Chance Gulch
Jim Walker (organizer)
406-458-6091 (organizer phone)
Restoring the Constitution: Through Citizens Grand Juries
Helena , Montana
Saturday, July 4, 2009
4:00/6:00
Carroll College, O’Connell Rm. 101
1601 North Benton Ave
David Rowell (organizer)
406-431-0876 (organizer phone)
Free Admission. Pre-conference discussion: 3:30. Post-conference planning meeting. Know Your God-given Unalienable Rights. Review of the original intent of our founding fathers regarding our Unalienable Rights: … vs. “Civil Rights” or “Human Rights” which are privileges the government can grant or remove. …are at a tremendous risk of unconstitutional government taking them away! How to Form a Citizens Grand Jury in your County to hold your public servants Accountable! Basic methods and procedures to get judges & prosecutors to enforce the indictments that your jury hands down. Step-By-Step guide with documents needed to form juries, collect evidence, subpoena documents and individuals, get public servants to recognize your authority. Video presentations by Gerry Donaldson, renowned Constitutional and Common Law Scholar, Biblical Scholar, and Free Market Economics. This multi-media presentation will follow the T.E.A. Party in Memorial Park. Supported by the Patriotic Resistance: http://www.ResistNet.com. For More Info: 406-431-0876
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By Montanian on 06-29-09
I think that it is very wise to hire someone that is not local. At least they will be objective in their Management of the City. Their decisions will be based upon what is the right thing to do rather than what the politicians desire. As far as Mayor and City Manager job duplication. The City Manager is the professional manager for the entire organization. The Mayor’s role should not be administrative in nature at all. It should merely be a ceremonial figurehead position that receives part-time pay at best. The City Council’s role is only to legislate (make laws and policies) and to appropriate (set budgets). The Manager’s role should be to execute such initiatives within the policies established by Council and to do it within the financial means provided by Council’s budget appropriations.
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By Firebeam on 06-29-09
Montanian said: “Their decisions will be based upon what is the right thing to do rather than what the politicians desire.“
And if you believe b>that</b>, I’ve got some land in Florida that I’d like to sell you. Take off the rose-colored glasses or get some help with that drug problem…
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By Montanian on 06-29-09
If that is not the case, then the City Council retains the right to remove the City Manager. There is a reason that they are hiring a professional. It is so managerial decisions will be made by an educated professional based upon best management practices rather than political motivations. Unfortunately many Council members would rather listen to what sounds popular in the eyes of residents rather than what is best on a long term basis.
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By Cowgirl Up on 06-30-09
Uh..Oh-o-o…whatever one does they must not listen to any of the residents voicing an opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are only the ones, after all, paying taxes!
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Let’s be civil. The Flathead Beacon encourages vigorous discussion and lively debate, but we will delete comments that attack other readers, make accusations we can’t verify, stray too far off topic, criticize local businesses (call them if you have a problem), convict someone of a crime, use profanity or are simply judged to be in bad taste. We don’t always have someone moderating comments, so we ask for your help: If you see a comment that violates these ground rules, or you simply deem it offensive, please e-mail editor [at] flatheadbeacon.com. The views expressed in the comments section do not reflect those of the Beacon.
By walk_the_line on 06-26-09
There’s your first mistake a former planner! Good luck business community. You can kiss your businesses good bye with the no-growth agenda she will bring. So long economic engine i.e. business!
By Roark on 06-26-09
She’s an anti-business over paid beaurocrat.
By senator blutarski on 06-26-09
Roark,
Do you know this woman personally? If not how can you make those ridiculous assumptions? Please enlighten us!
By Firebeam on 06-26-09
So let me get this straight… She is Dropping from a population of 170,000 to a population of roughly 18,000. And dropping from 2400 employees to approximately 50 employees. Yet she gets the SAME salary and benefits???? Wow, where do I sign up???? What a deal…FOR HER. Meanwhile, citizens are going to be paying for someone who will be boared to tears and playing solitaire on her computer all day. Why the heck do we need BOTH a Mayor AND City Manager in a town this size??? Can you say “costly duplication”? Geeze and they complain about a little overtime for the fire department. Priorities seem horribly out of whack, don’t they?
By corsair1945 on 06-27-09
Why didn’t they hire the interim guy, a local not good enough?
By Nancy on 06-27-09
I still do not understand not hiring someone in our own State who knows what to expect and can deal with small town USA.
By mooseberryinn on 06-27-09
Can’t hire anyone from Montana - they’re probably too conservative.
By MontanaTrace on 06-27-09
It was “Tax and Spend” now it’s becoming “Spend then Tax.“ Just like in Dayton.
By grannysgadgets on 06-27-09
LOL Mooseberryinn, you are probably correct on that one !
Nancy it seems every important job that comes up in our counties ends up being ran by someone from another state…..... Makes no sense to me either ! BUT little does make sense these days really.
By Karen on 06-27-09
I think the reason they HAVE to hire people from out of state is that anyone living in the state would have easy access to finding out about our mayor and council and they’d never take the job. Has to be someone who’s totally in the dark about our city gov.
That’s my opinion and i’m sticking to it LOL
By Roark on 06-27-09
Exactly my point too MontanaTrace, thank you.
By mooseberryinn on 06-28-09
If we have a mayor and a city council, what do we need a city manager for? Especially at over 100k!
By Karen on 06-28-09
or maybe just the city manager and no mayor?
By Roark on 06-28-09
A City Manager does all the work that the Mayor and City Council should be doing. Just more frivolous government personnel.
By Kalispell Native on 06-28-09
corsair: they didn’t hire the local guy because he didn’t want the job. duh.
Myrt is retired. He came out of retirement on a short-term deal.
By Kalispell Native on 06-28-09
Firebeam: We have a mayor/citymanager style of city government because that is what the people of Kalispell VOTED for.
By corsair1945 on 06-28-09
Kalispell Native; Thanks for the info, but you don’t have to be a sarcastic twit about it by using the word “duh”. I was asking a simple question.
By Firebeam on 06-28-09
Kalispell Native: I didn’t ask HOW we got both, I asked WHY we need it? As in why did the voters think that was a good thing, and now after having experienced it, would they like to reconsider that decision. I’m outside the city, so I don’t get a vote, but I sure do wonder what the voters thought then or think now about the form of government they’ve chosen. I’ll bet many think the 100k could be put to far better use than another layer of beurocracy.
By Kalispell Native on 06-28-09
I was a teen back then so it wasn’t on my top 10 list of things to pay much attention to. One would have to go back thru the DIL’s morgue, or the Kalispell Weekly News, to find out how the debate transpired. IIRC, the debate was heated and the vote was fairly tight.
The more I think about it, I think removing the possibility of potential big-city type patronage, favoritism and inconsistency in operating city services was one reason. The other main reason was that having a trained professional was preferable to having someone doing it has a side job.
I don’t what the mayor was paid then nor do I know what their stipend is now.
By Roark on 06-28-09
So, will there be a Tea Party in Kalispell on the 4th? anybody have any details?
By Kalispell Native on 06-28-09
Will you be in attendance Chris/Roark?
By the way on 06-28-09
That’s just silly. Nobody here has the power to demand any use or display of common sense or fiscal responsibility in Kalispell’s weird system of government.
By grannysgadgets on 06-29-09
Roark : I could’nt find any for Kalispell, but there are others in the state :
(501 going on across the country of the 4th, many are planing a march on Washington)
Montana Independence day tea party.
Bozeman MT. Meet @ library march to court house 2-7 pm. Family BBQ follows
Joan Stanley (organizer)
406-579-1496 (organizer phone)
Includes “ Oath keepers ceremony”. Live music as well
Glendive Freedom Rally & Spending Protest
Glendive, Montana
Saturday, July 4, 2009
11:00 AM to 1:00 PM
E.P.E.C.
Glendive
Betsey Hedrick (organizer)
406-337-1728 (organizer phone)
09.12.09 National Taxpayer Protest
Great Falls, Montana
Saturday, September 12, 2009
1:00 pm
Civic Center
Park Drive and Central Avenue
Cyndi Baker and Jack Lien (organizer)
406-453-9605 & 406-788-0711 (organizer phone)
Big Sky Tea Party
Helena, Montana
Saturday, July 4, 2009
12:00pm / 4:00pm
Memorial Park
Last Chance Gulch
Jim Walker (organizer)
406-458-6091 (organizer phone)
Restoring the Constitution: Through Citizens Grand Juries
Helena , Montana
Saturday, July 4, 2009
4:00/6:00
Carroll College, O’Connell Rm. 101
1601 North Benton Ave
David Rowell (organizer)
406-431-0876 (organizer phone)
Free Admission. Pre-conference discussion: 3:30. Post-conference planning meeting. Know Your God-given Unalienable Rights. Review of the original intent of our founding fathers regarding our Unalienable Rights: … vs. “Civil Rights” or “Human Rights” which are privileges the government can grant or remove. …are at a tremendous risk of unconstitutional government taking them away! How to Form a Citizens Grand Jury in your County to hold your public servants Accountable! Basic methods and procedures to get judges & prosecutors to enforce the indictments that your jury hands down. Step-By-Step guide with documents needed to form juries, collect evidence, subpoena documents and individuals, get public servants to recognize your authority. Video presentations by Gerry Donaldson, renowned Constitutional and Common Law Scholar, Biblical Scholar, and Free Market Economics. This multi-media presentation will follow the T.E.A. Party in Memorial Park. Supported by the Patriotic Resistance: http://www.ResistNet.com. For More Info: 406-431-0876
By Montanian on 06-29-09
I think that it is very wise to hire someone that is not local. At least they will be objective in their Management of the City. Their decisions will be based upon what is the right thing to do rather than what the politicians desire. As far as Mayor and City Manager job duplication. The City Manager is the professional manager for the entire organization. The Mayor’s role should not be administrative in nature at all. It should merely be a ceremonial figurehead position that receives part-time pay at best. The City Council’s role is only to legislate (make laws and policies) and to appropriate (set budgets). The Manager’s role should be to execute such initiatives within the policies established by Council and to do it within the financial means provided by Council’s budget appropriations.
By Firebeam on 06-29-09
Montanian said: “Their decisions will be based upon what is the right thing to do rather than what the politicians desire.“
And if you believe b>that</b>, I’ve got some land in Florida that I’d like to sell you. Take off the rose-colored glasses or get some help with that drug problem…
By Montanian on 06-29-09
If that is not the case, then the City Council retains the right to remove the City Manager. There is a reason that they are hiring a professional. It is so managerial decisions will be made by an educated professional based upon best management practices rather than political motivations. Unfortunately many Council members would rather listen to what sounds popular in the eyes of residents rather than what is best on a long term basis.
By Cowgirl Up on 06-30-09
Uh..Oh-o-o…whatever one does they must not listen to any of the residents voicing an opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are only the ones, after all, paying taxes!