It is a start but not a means to the end of our troubles. Let me be the first to say it TOLD YOU SO.

When are you livestock ranchers going to learn how to defend your livestock. Are the wolves getting through your fence perhaps? When are you going to fix that “huge hole” in your fence? Do you even have anything to fix that “huge hole” in your fence? Ask yourselves this. How are the wolves getting to your livestock? A hole in the fence perhaps. Fix the “huge hole” first and see how the wolves like it. Give me a break.

So uh pilot, do you think it’s a huge hole in the fence?

How refreshing is that??  A rancher who is actually proactive at protecting his livestock.  Good job, Mr. Cooke!

Does anyone responding to these articles have any idea how much fence it would take to fence in 10-20,000 acres. How about open range how are you going to fence that. Come on guys this isn’t your local weekend rancher who has 15-20 head cow calf operation on a couple hundred acres or less.

This Marc Cooke is a Gentlemen Rancher you can bet on that. His income is not dependent on ranching he works with a dude ranch in the Bob during the summer you all need to get out in the countryside more often.

Spray & Neuter…...why not. US Fish & Wildlife is proposing that neutered Wolves be introduced in other areas…..to control the over population of deer & elk in some states. That might have been the way to go with the Wolves introduced 15 years ago…....rather than turn loose a whole bunch of fertile wolves…...let people see how many problems would occur. And from a practical point…..the person on the comment section for the Wolves…......suggesting that the rancher patch the holes in the fence…....gota be the least smartest apple in the barrel. Gota be a city slicker that lives on the top floor of some condo in a big city…..away from killer pigs.

Well at least your thinking, Mark you are correct about wolves being here before us no doubt. Problem I see is we brought them back after an absence of about 100yrs nobody is set up to monitor there cattle 24/7. Just about cannot be done and stay cost effective. The reports you have not seen in the paper is weight drop overall cattle in wolf country are running 60/100lbs lighter at sale. Who do you think is going to pick that up, if you buy American beef it will be you and I.


Mark wherever wolves have been harassing livestock there have been many attempts to be non-lethal. They have used fladry lines (basically a long line with flags that wave in the wind) to range riders (generally supplied by animal groups at no cost) guard dogs all sorts of contrivances putting stock in at night. The list is long and an expense that will be passed on to the consumer.

Many occurrences are on summer range with no way to account for missing animals it really is a mess that was brought on the ranchers and wildlife for no other reason than to say what a great thing we have done. Wolves were never in danger of disappearing from existence, people just wanted them back here. For what purpose it just evades me I guess I am just not that intelligent.

For anyone that thinks you can fence a wolf out, I would encourage you to take a drive north of Eureka, turn on berma(?) road off of 93 n out of eureka and go look at the fence the rancher put up.  It is 5 feet of hog fence with 3 feet of electric fence above that.  He has fenced the elk out of his property.  That is a guy that has gone out of his way to keep the wildlife out and cattle in, best fence I have ever seen, clear around must be 3 or 4 thousand acres.  There is no conceivable way you can keep that hog fence clear to the ground to keep canines out.  You can see several places where some obviously squeeze under the fence.  And forget about electrifying the lower portion, you will always have “stuff” falling on it, into it, etc, shorting it out, just not possible.  Seriously, take a drive, take a look, you will put this idea of “fencing predators out” clear out of your head.  Drive all the way around where the fence is in the timber, going up and down and across coulees and creeks, you will get a clear understanding of why you can’t even begin to fence out these creatures.
Those areas where the yotes and wolves squeeze under the fence would be perfect for snares.  Best way, bar none, to trap preds, kills quick too.

Use the three “S” metod of controlling rouge wolves. Shoot, Shovel, Shut up.

One can not economically fence wolves out. No one has mentioned all the other animals that it would affect either. There is a bunch of other species which would be detrimentally effected. Why can’t people see that there are too many wolves. Very few want to get rid of them all. Come on man!!!!

The government owns and controlls the wildlife(dear, elk, wolves,etc.) if they trespass and cause damage they should pay. Just like if your dog kills the neighbors sheep, you are liable for the damage.

It is sad that you think the government owns them. WE the people are suppose to be the government and I for one am sick of the concept that the gov needs to take care of us. If the neighbors dog or a wolf kill my sheep. I should have the right to dispose of them. I am very sorry it is not like the garden of eden. Believe me. However it is not. Where do you think the gov gets it’s money. The reason they are spending so much is to break this country and give control to some one else besides the people. Take back that control America

Point well taken. Ther are a lot of supposed to be areas that just arn’t working. We the people are not really in control. Take back control is easier said than done. I am for we the people, for the people, by the people…  Even though our taxes are to high, thats not enough for those in charge, so we barrow deeply from China and others.

Thanks, this one world gov. Is but a sign of the times. If man becomes a lover of his own self and not caring about his neighbor and chases after strange gods and not the creator. Then things will keep going more and more nuts. WE are not under the law but under Grace. Therefore this poor fellow with the wolf should be let go for we have too many wolves. Oh I said that before. sorry

Montanaman:  10 4 good buddy,  no more blogs from me. I’m off the Church.  PTL

“WE are not under the law but under Grace. Therefore this poor fellow with the wolf should be let go for…we have too many wolves.”

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Interesting interpretation.  Because you are under grace, and don’t agree with the law you can make up any argument, no matter how nubulous, and ignore the laws?

I don’t think that was what was intended.

I have talked to that rancher up there.  Very smart guy, he hasn’t had any problems with wolves, although he does get concerned, he knows once they are inside the fence anything can happen.  He does have a few elk, a herd of mulies, and a bunch of whities running around, so the wolves have enough other food, inside and outside the fence, lot of a game running around up there.
He has more problems with the “2-legged animals” than anything else.

Because I am new at this, let me get this straight. This is more of a net working, social event. So I must learn the ethics. No God, NO real- truth. Lets just talk amongst our selves and it will all be fine. KoK So fence them out? It would take a fenced 3 feet deep in the earth and at least 7’high to keep them out for a year or two and then they would figure a way around or under or over. When you have a predator base on one side and a prey base on the other. What does one expect. Sure a rancher takes into account the costs before he goes into business but the rape a pillage of the wolf is hard to figure. Have been in several meetings and can not figure out why the extremes. Of course when a big company rapes the land scape, some one is bound to show up and say enough is enough and thank God they do. Oh- sorry, I said it again. If one builds such a fence. Then what about all the other animals? Rabbits, coyotes, cats, or what ever. One is creating little ecosystems, all across the country. I would think that a free loving greenie would not want that. Would he not want free range. Let it all be natural. Believe it or not boys and girls we have got too many wolves!!!!!

MTman, I could be completely wrong here, but I don’t think anyone disputes the fact we have too many wolves.  But in the world of the internet and anonymous banter, its easy for the “kill em all” crowd to just spout off, and it get the pro-wolf crowd all in utter panic that the wolves are going to disappear.  In the emotional world of wolf talk, there is no middle ground, none.  It doesn’t exist on any forum that I visit, and I visit a lot of internet forums, mostly hunting based.  Same thing happens on hunting sites, many folks, mostly from east of the ‘ol Miss, want us to have wolves running around here in the west, its a “romanticized” feeling near as I can tell.  The wild west. 
You just will never convince the pro wolf crowd that we won’t kill them all.  I think MT can do a great job of managing wolves if given a chance.  They are here to stay.  I have tried and tried to calm the nerve of wolf lovers, but they don’t want to give the wolf any credit for its ability to thrive and survive.  To the antihunters, we hunters are all a bunch of idiot, fat, stupid, knuckdragging, beer swilling morons, that can’t kill anything unless it walks in front of the truck or atv.  But when it comes to wolves, all of sudden, we are godlike killers with the 6th sense, and the wolves have no chance!!!! LOL.  Its crazy!!!!

Wow, thanks for the lesson. Need all the help I can get

@Montanaman KoK So fence them out?
Me thinks you have me cornfused with some one else. Not my suggestion at all.

On second thought if we could fence them IN Yellowstone and Glacier that would be great.

Thought KoK meant Ok fine, not kokanee sorry Wish youall a great day- got to go.  Oh, I would at least donate on trying to fence them into the park,  great idea.

Maybe we could feed the wolves the way we feed our dogs LMAO bunch of overweight pampered pooches. After a 10yd dash to the food bowl NAPTIME.

Nah we would find out the demise of our herds hadn’t been wolves. It was simply FWP supplying fresh meat to the Chinese to pay down our debt.

All right the fences and my latter idea was far fetched. Here Mr.Mark is what we really need to protect our livestock. Hex on anybody who does not watch twice.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/35765182#35765182

Hey guys and gals try this article on for size.

http://www.adn.com/2010/03/10/1178020/residents-unnerved-by-pack-of.html

Now who wants to go for a jog.

I wonder what the number of people killed by pitbulls vs. those killed by wolves?

Mitch I agree with you on that one?

Hey Mitch did you take a look at the MSNBC link that I posted above.

the otter?  yes, yikes!  not meant to be a smart a$$ comment, just wonder if you know?  Does bear spray work against rabid animals?  I wonder?  Maybe they’d be so far gone they wouldn’t realize they couldn’t breathe?  Might be a silly question, realize we don’t run into that many rabid animals.

Mitch I had not thought of that, good question. That otter was crazy had to laugh who would of thought they could be so viscous. I tried to save an injured chipmunk once, turned my thumb into ground meat fortunately was not rabid.

The link to the wolf attack says that there have been many cases of rabies there. I guess it is just a matter of time before we have a small pandemic of it.

My thoughts were of bats.  They have such a problem with them in those old buildings in and around the park.  I think most, (park service, etc.) try to clean them out during the spring, but of course they still often find a way in.  I know a lady who was attacked by one in her sleep.  If I remember right I don’t think at the time she even knew what had happened, but it was a real pain (literally) to have to go thru what she did after the fact.