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By hotfishmt on 05-22-13 @ 7:41 am
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Bad Mistake for sure. Today news from Canadian Pacific Railroad….how some oil tankers
derailed, in Canada spilling some 556 barrels (one car total loss) and other spilling oil. Oil that
are/is being transported via rail due to the lack of pipelines….add in no pipeline project moving
forward….how long before one of BNSF has troubles in the Glacier Park corridor along the
Flathead River area?????
Canada Pacific Railroad is now, building a new section of track around the spill/derailment to
reopen the damaged area for more trains. That cannot be done in the Glacier-Spokane area
due to terrain & limited space of the tracks.
By mooseberryinn on 05-22-13 @ 10:35 am
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Yes indeedy, just one more example of Comrade/King Obama “helping” working Americans.  Can’t
have oil now can we?  That might drive gas prices down.
By bocephusj57 on 05-22-13 @ 6:33 pm
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moose:  You need to stop telling that lie.  Not a drop of Tar Sands product will be consumed in
this country.  It’s all destined for overseas, mostly China’s, consumption.
By bopho on 05-22-13 @ 10:08 pm
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mooseberryinn doesn’t care about the truth.  He just hates President Obama.  That is the driving force
in his life.
By RussCrowder on 05-23-13 @ 6:22 am
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You can’t bring an industrialized nation to its knees by allowing cheap and available energy.
By mooseberryinn on 05-23-13 @ 6:42 am
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truth = availability of oil resources drives energy costs downward.
By mooseberryinn on 05-23-13 @ 7:42 am
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I should have added;  except when the gov’t interferes.  The thing about gas prices is that it hurts the
working folks the most.  People wealthy enough to be driving luxury cars don’t worry as much about
filling the tank as the guy who needs his pick-up truck for work.  King Obama and his czars have said
they’d like to see gas prices as high as $8/gallon.  This, of course, to force people to conserve, and/or
buy little econo-cars.  Let’s see you load up a Prius with lumber and construction materials.
By bopho on 05-23-13 @ 11:38 am
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And where and when Mr. Know-it-all mooseberryinn did President Obama say he would like to see gas
prices as high as $8/gallon.  He never did.  In fact he has said the opposite.  You are once again
regurgitating right wing nonsense.  Grow up already.
By mooseberryinn on 05-23-13 @ 12:02 pm
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That was from his “energy czar” back in 08 or 09.  Before he was “hired” as energy czar.  Do some
research bozo.
By bopho on 05-23-13 @ 12:20 pm
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I’ve done my research mooseberryinn.  How about something a little more specific than “back in 08 or
09.” 

  Here is what President Obama said on March 6 at a White House press conference, “Look, here’s
the bottom line with respect to gas prices.  I want gas prices lower because they hurt families,
because I meet folks every day who have to drive a long way to get to work.  And then filling up this
gas tank gets more and more painful, and it’s a tax out of their pocketbooks, out of their paychecks. 
And a lot of folks are already operating on the margins right now.”

That’s exactly what you said above.  To quote the mooseberryinn, “The thing about gas prices is that
it hurts the working folks the most.” 

So what’s your problem?
By mooseberryinn on 05-23-13 @ 12:51 pm
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Nice words, but isn’t it a shame (sham) that his actions, and his EPA do everything possible to hinder
oil, gas, and energy production.  Oh wait,he did give away our tax money to the Solyndra execs.  I
guess that should count for something?  Give it up, worship of King Obama doesn’t change his record
of failure.
By bocephusj57 on 05-23-13 @ 1:40 pm
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Solyndra was a victim of Chinese dumping of solar panel components at a steep loss.

See Tesla Motors, which just paid off its approx 460 million dollar loan, in full, and 5 years
ahead of schedule.
By RussCrowder on 05-23-13 @ 2:33 pm
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Bopho…When you cited the President’s comments concerning the average family’s plight due to high
gas prices, you misunderstood.  Obama wasn’t lamenting, he was bragging.  I am happy to clarify.
By bopho on 05-23-13 @ 2:54 pm
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RussCrowder - you are such a hypocrite that I don’t hear a thing you say.

I ask again.  Would you stand up for the private property rights of landowners in the path of your
precious pipeline who will be facing eminent domain procedures? 

You don’t have to reply.  I already know your answer and it is on the side of government and large
corporations over private property rights.  So don’t waste my time.
By RussCrowder on 05-23-13 @ 3:35 pm
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A liberal concerned with Property Rights?  That’s a good one.  Let me guess.  It had to have been a
punch line on Saturday Night Live?
By bopho on 05-23-13 @ 3:42 pm
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There you go again Crowder.  You won’t answer the question.  It’s simple really.  Would you stand up
for those property owners who would face eminent domain procedures because of the pipeline?

And I have owned my 40 acres west of Kalispell for 38 years and you would be the last person I would
look to to protect my property.  So don’t even go there.

Now answer the question.  Not doing so just shows how phony you and your group are.
By GATE on 05-23-13 @ 5:16 pm
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Since the Deceiver’s reign began gas prices have doubled. It was the Deceiver’s lackey and
mouthpiece, then Sec. of Energy Steven Chu that said he would like to see gas prices at $7-8 a
gallon ‘so people would drive less’. In 2008 soon-to-be President Cover-Up said: ‘If someone wants
to build a coal-powered plant, it’s just that it will bankrupt them….under my plan of a cap-and-trade
system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket”.

The Deceiver’s agenda, using the Green Shirts at the EPA and executive orders, is to drive all
energy prices higher with the resulting loss of high paying jobs as collateral damage it their war on
all fossil fuels.

To date, the Deceiver’s Green Corruption agenda has cost the taxpayers at least $15 BILLION, with
25 bankrupt and 27 more ‘sham’ companies on the verge of going under!
By Gabby Johnson on 05-23-13 @ 7:09 pm
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Anyone who can read a map can see Keystone is an export pipeline, and one of the Texas
refineries at its terminus is owned 50-50 by Royal Dutch Shell and—wait for it—the Kingdom
of Saudi Arabia.
The Saudis really should give Americans a discount price on the refined fuels that come out of
Port Arthur—seeing as we fought a couple of wars on the national credit card for them (and
they really want us to open it up on their arch enemy, Iran)—but my guess is they’ll sell to
the highest bidder, China.
China, by the way, financed most of the billions spent in Alberta and they sure as shootin’
didn’t do that to lower gas prices for Americans.
By bocephusj57 on 05-23-13 @ 7:30 pm
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The blame for gas prices belongs solely to your beloved Free Market forces.

Here’s a 9 year graph of gas prices.  Notice how they plunged at the end of Bush’s term after
reaching historic highs.

http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?time=24
By bocephusj57 on 05-23-13 @ 7:34 pm
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That didn’t work as I had hoped. But it will take you a 2 year and you can set other perameters.

Let’s try this URL, just for fun..

www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?time=108
By RussCrowder on 05-23-13 @ 8:29 pm
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As Ronald Reagan would say:  “There he goes again”.  My bet is that old bopho never owned an
acre of land in his life.  I would really be willing to bet he never joined with myself or the
organization American Dream Montana a couple of legislative sessions ago in helping us lead the
charge against Schweitzer’s “takings” Bill, HB198, the Democrat governors eminent domain land
grab that even a bunch of gullible Republicans fell for.  A liberal defending private property rights? 
I’ve got to admit that is the funniest punch line you would ever hear on Saturday Night Live.  Thanks
for the laugh bo.
By bopho on 05-23-13 @ 8:43 pm
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Chowder - You don’t even know me.  I’ve lived on 40 acres on Kienas Road that I purchased in 1976. 
It is 30 acres of forest and 10 acres of meadow.  And I care about property rights.  My own and the
rights of those brave farmers and ranchers in red states like Nebraska and Texas that are fighting the
pipeline to preserve their land and their way of life.  To many many people, their property has a value
way beyond any dollar price you can put on it.  I stand with those people.  Something you wouldn’t
understand. 

And your references twice now to Saturday Night Live.  I don’t watch television.  I got rid of my
satellite five years ago.  I get my knowledge from reading.
By bopho on 05-23-13 @ 9:02 pm
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bocephusj57 - you are absolutely right.  During the final seven months of the Bush administration gas
prices in this country fell from a high of $4.12 to $1.61 when Obama took office.  Why?  Because this
country and the world was in the midst of a severe recession.  Demand was down.  Prices were down.
Don’t forget that when Obama took office the economy was shedding jobs and the stock market was
down to about 8,000.  Driving to Whitefish today, I noticed quite a bit of construction going on.  It is
one of the indicators that things are much better now than they were in January of 2009.

Here are two good articles addressing the issue of Obama and gas prices:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/have-gas-prices-doubled-under-
obama/2011/08/25/gIQA97iXkR_blog.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-claim-that-wont-die-did-obama-want-
higher-gas-prices/2012/03/13/gIQAf0EW9R_blog.html
By bopho on 05-23-13 @ 9:19 pm
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And Gabby Johnson - I applaud your common sense.
By rtchoice on 05-24-13 @ 6:20 am
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Reading?  Comic books and Karl’s “Manifesto” don’t count.
By Gabby Johnson on 05-24-13 @ 6:53 am
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Meanwhile, deep in the heart of Texas, foreign corporations are taking Americans’ private
property by eminent domain:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-23/texas-farmers-lose-another-bid-to-block-keystone-pipeline.html
By HRH Prince Michael on 05-24-13 @ 1:00 pm
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Capitalism must always be the fuel for a powerful Democracy - never in-reverse.
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Glory! Glory! Glory, to The Most Holy and Living King of Kings, Christ Yeshua!
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By Bill on 05-27-13 @ 9:39 am
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The first objection to the Keystone came from Nebraska, Warren Buffett’s home state.  Since this
fiasco started the BNSF has been buying tanker cars as fast as they can be built.  It doesn’t
matter where the oil from Alberta goes, it does matter how it gets there.  Do people really
think a diesel locomotive pulling tankers is a cleaner way to get to market then a pipeline?
Don’t even mention that a spill is 100 times more likely when transporting by rail.
By mooseberryinn on 05-28-13 @ 4:07 pm
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Bill - correct.  It really doesn’t matter “where” because once it is available for refining, it
becomes an asset that will increase supply and allow prices to drop.  “How” it is
transported is a much larger issue.  You’re absolutely right about rail cars.  A poor choice. 
With luck, when our King is finally deposed, we can make progress.
By Bill on 05-28-13 @ 7:19 pm
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I got 6 thumbs down for pointing out the proven fact that pipelines are cleaner than trains,
really?  Please tell me what I am missing?  The port of Vancouver WA just signed an
agreement with the BNSF to take 4 new unit trains/day of oil for export from the Bakken.  The
BNSF has committed eight unit trains for export supply to Vancouver.  That is 4/105 car
tankers moving East along Whitefish Lake and through the park and 4/105 car fully loaded oil
cars moving West each day through the park and then along the lake.  In 10 years it will
probably be fifty a day.  The problem with you so called environmentalists is you let the people
getting rich of your blind good will do your thinking for you.
By Mark W. on 05-28-13 @ 9:34 pm
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Who said so-called environmentalists are of good will?
By mooseberryinn on 05-28-13 @ 10:18 pm
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bill - disregard the “thumbs” thingy,  Means absolutely nothing.
 
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