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Comments on: Obama Ordering 30,000 More Troops to Afghanistan
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By fcb on 12-01-09
Where is Cindy Shehan and Code Pink ?
Are they for the war now ?
By mooseberryinn on 12-02-09
El Presidente Acorn should go first and lead the charge into enemy fire.
By old school on 12-02-09
This from remarks Senator Tester listened to at his recent listening tour of the Flathead:
Realtor Paul Wachholz echoed Thompson’s concern and wondered why the federal government was taking on new programs when in many communities people were having trouble simply staying in their homes. In the Flathead, he said, 20 percent of homeowners are “under water” on their mortgages, meaning they can’t get an appraisal on their houses or they owe more than the home is worth.
“We need to stop the socialistic trends of our country,” Wachholz said. “We’re built on the entrepreneurial spirit and we’re not going that way right now.”
Yes, Mr. Wacholz, prolonging and expanding the war in Afganistan by borrowing more money to escalate our intervention there does seem like a ‘socialistic trend’ that needs to be curtailed. Wish you also would have mentioned that in your comments to the Senator.
By JB on 12-02-09
Anybody wonder why Obama was hesitant on sending troops in, and then, all of a sudden, he capitulates? Here’s a theory:
- Israel wants to invade Iran, but they don’t want to do it without U.S. support.
- Rahm Emmanuel served in the Israeli Army during the first Gulf War, and now he is White House Chief of Staff. I don’t think anyone can go from “peeling potatoes” in the Israeli Army to White House Chief of Staff without Mossad connections.
- The U.S. signed an agreement with Iraq saying that we will not use their country as a launching point for an invasion of Iran. Ergo…we need another point of attack. Sending 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan means sending those same troops to Iran’s eastern border.
- Then Obama hesitates. Mossad tells Rahm to apply the pressure. Rahm lets an erstwhile couple into the state dinner at the White House through a third party at the Pentagon - it’s all made to look just like a couple of crazy kids looking for their 15 minutes of fame - and voila! Obama sends 30,000 additional troops to Iran’s eastern border.
Hmmm…ya think?
By Kalispell Native on 12-02-09
No JB, I don’t think. Have you explored the glaring hole in your ‘crazy kids’ portion of your theory? Tariq Salahi? Really? Some Israeli version of a Manchurian Candidate, with that name? Puh leeeeez.
But I do think you need more sleep and less conspiracy theory indoctrination.
By JB on 12-03-09
Don’t like that theory, eh KN? OK…how about this one:
There are two proposed oil pipelines slated to begin construction next year in the region - the Iran-Pakistan-India (IPI) and the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI). Of course, you won’t hear about either of these pipelines in the mainstream media. The latter is favored for a big obvious reason - denial of economic benefit to Iran. But both are a concern (however unlikely they are to come to fruition), and if you look at the overall picture is part of a larger strategy for “containment” of a much larger region - namely China and Russia.
Knowing you from past comments, you’ll write this one off as yet another conspiracy theory. I bet that you even doubt that Iran will go to war - if not with us, then certainly with Israel. If and when that happens, things will get a lot uglier.
By dsrobins on 12-04-09
JB loves his conspiracy theories, like many of his right thinking soul brother posters here. It is of course ludicrous to believe or even suggest that Rahm Emanuel arranged or had anything to do with the illegal intrusion into the White House by Arab Tareq Salahi and his wife. It is also false to claim that Emanuel “served in the Israeli army.“ Emanuel, like many other American jews went to Israel briefly as a civilian volunteer during the first Gulf war crisis where his job was to apply coatings to brake linings for vehicles, a bit more glamorous than peeling potatoes, perhaps, but not much. The claim that Emanuel is a Mossad agent is simply laughable as is the suggestion that President Obama’s recently announced troop increase in Afghanistan heralds the coming of war with Iran. So too with JB’s pipeline theory. Neither project will proceed in the foreseeable future. The Taliban would quickly pounce on any pipeline construction effort routed through Afghanistan, and intensified economic sanctions against Iran will prevent the IPI pipeline from being built as long as Iran continues to pursue its nuclear ambitions. Pipeline conspiracy theories are best regarded as pipe dreams.
By JB on 12-04-09
@ds: Thanks for confirming that you are indeed a “sheeple”.
Emanuel has dual citizenship in both Israel and the US - and Israeli citizens are required to serve in the army for a mandatory period of time. And I never claimed that Emanuel was Mossad - although he certainly may have connections with them.
The interesting thing about conspiracy theories is that they exist because there is no trust in the government. You may be a believer - but I am not. Only a leftist Obama believer would turn to insults when they run out of talking points - because you obviously have none left to use.
By Don on 12-04-09
I thought that we elected this guy to bring our troops home NOT send more to the middle east. He is no better than Bush. Promise whatever it takes to get elected then screw those who voted for you. Shame on us for voting for “A Change That You Can Believe In.“
By Kalispell Native on 12-04-09
Don: He’s still under a year in office trying to fix innumerable messes that were started and exacerbated for the past 8 years. Patience, Grasshopper.
Remember also, he was willing to back the Afghan War, not the Iraqi War.
By Kalispell Native on 12-05-09
So pussycat: were you Brent or Coldsteel before this name? Or are you your own unique (if there is such a thing) brand racist and bigot and anti-Semite?
You really need to have your hate rejected from this site.
By Billy on 12-05-09
pussycat;
If you point a finger at any Jew, ( made up word for a made up tribe ), you are an anti-Semite.
KN, still avoiding the subject.
By Billy on 12-05-09
pussycat; I’m waiting for the Bushes to retreat to Uraguay or Bolivia. When the rats leave the ship the fumigation will follow.
The Jesus Haters are pushing the Americans for a confrontation but the best policy would be to remain away from their provocations. They are pushing for nulification of the faithful and the their families.
By Kalispell Native on 12-05-09
Tell me Billy, how is refering to people as “jewboy” not anti-Semitic? How is it not bigotted? How is refering to our President as “jigabu” not racist? How can you defend that trash and not realize that you too are tainted and just as offensive?
Happily, the offensive post has been removed. I hope the rest of his hate-speech here receives scrutiny.
By Billy on 12-05-09
I won’t dismiss his every thought just because of a few insulting words.
By Billy on 12-05-09
KN; Why don’t you consider the Jews to have two camps. One Zionist and one anti-Zionist. The Zionists have ambitions that are not in the best interests of the Jewish people as a whole. Just like Germany pre-WWII.
By Kalispell Native on 12-05-09
There are plenty of Cristianists, Dominionists, Rapturists and other religious whackjobs that don’t have the best interests of the Jewish people in their dogma, either.
http://www.talk2action.org/ has this article:
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/11/19/174310/41/
Open quote} There’s some acceptance that statements such as Sarah Palin’s prediction that Jews will soon be “flocking to Israel” may indicate Palin holds apocalyptic beliefs. What’s not understood is that she’s closely associated with a religious tendency whose leaders promote anti-Jewish conspiracy theories, including one most commonly used by the Third Reich, in the 1930’s and 1940’s, to whip up anti-Semitic hatreds: the claim that a worldwide cabal of Jewish bankers manipulates the world economy and preys on working classes. {close quote
By Billy on 12-05-09
I agree KN There are plenty of charlatans of all stripes. So called patriots wrap the flag around themselves and So called Jews wrap their cloak of uninsultability around themselves.
I’ll look at the links now.
By Billy on 12-05-09
You are also right KN about the disaster left by the Bush/Cheny/Wolfowitz/... Regime. Would you say regime?
By woody on 12-05-09
while the true reason for the aggresssion in afganiskan is the oil pipelines…..
war with Iran would be insane - even for the war hungry criminals running the US state of israel…..or is it the Israeli state of America?
both china and russia have military treaties with iran…
so if we bomb iran we could start ww3 w/ china and russia against us…..
it’s all a smoke screen for endless war profiteering and corporate profits at ANY PRICE….
our kids fighting in afgan are just fodder for the corporate profit machine…...and corporate ameirca cares for our soldiers about as much as I care for that stuff I stepped in and am trying to wipe off my shoes…....
besides the Taliban offered Bin Laden to the USA if we allowed them to transport him to a 3rd country 1st…...
Bush the war criminal said no…....if we would have caught Bin Laden right off we couldn’t have invaded Iraq and built the largest embassy in the world….larger than even vatican city…...in fact that embassy is just another name for the new permanant military base in Iraq…... then we can keep most of our troops there instead of in Saudi arabia…..
Batman couldn’t have been a super heroe without a super villain….so he had the joker
bush had bin laden ,......who we must remember was in the cia payroll up to 9-11-01…..
and a bush family business partner for decades…....
Who could have known?
and Billy I wouldn’t say regime…..I’d say the bush crime family….. much more accurate
and don is right - Obama said he would focus on Afgan but he never said he’d throw 60,000 more troops into afgan….
I’d suggest killing people to make them love you is as ineffective as a husband beating his wife to make her love him more…....
google “3 cups of tea”
we spent over 18,000 for every man, woman and child in afgan last year….while the average wage is 5 a day…..
so we could simply pay these people to build schools and hospitals, pay them to remove the poppy crops…...
but that would fill the coffers of the Multi-national corps profiting on death and misery…..blowing up bridges in order to get the contract to rebuild them…...
By Kalispell Native on 12-05-09
Regime. Cabal. Criminal Syndicate. Ideologic Mafia. Just of the top of my head.
By mooseberryinn on 12-07-09
Wow - who kicked the anthill?
By Roark on 12-08-09
The major problem with the current US war policy that both W. and Obama are guilty of is the lack of pursuing a policy of victory. Total victory. Fighting a PC war that ties the hands of the military will only end in further and greater bloodshed now and down the road ad infinitum. The USA didn’t fight a PC war against Hitler, it doesn’t need to do it now against our current enemies. Only a total combat victory will ensure peace for us here as well as a real chance at hope and freedom in these oppressed islamized nations. It seems that our leaders have forgotten WWII and what it means to be victorious to help protect and secure our freedom and liberty at home from our enemies.
By Vud on 12-08-09
Nooo… JB
The major problem with US war policy is that 19 hijackers (with box cutters ! ) get on board 4 flights causing “9-11”....and
our response is “The open-ended WAR on TERROR”.
The solution can NOT be the Iraq / Afghanistan response…$2 Trillion+ and many thousands dead… much less JB’s call for an all-out, total-war rehash of WW II.
“Get thine own house in order”....and ALL that that implies.
By JB on 12-08-09
@Vud - come on, be real - don’t you know that history has a way of repeating itself?
By Vud on 12-08-09
Yeah. History DOES repeat itself.
You talk as if that’s a BAD thing…but then you actually PUSH for a repeat of WWII? (I guess we would call that one WWIII.)
19 guys…WWIII. I just don’t get it.
By JB on 12-08-09
No one wants to see war - me included. What I am saying is, it is inevitable - human beings cannot deny their nature, their propensity for conflict. The events and circumstances that surround it are building - and eventually, in time, there will be an event which will trigger war.
By Vud on 12-08-09
Well, Yeahh…That’s hard to argue with, JB.
History repeats itself because the underlying passions of man are so constant. The seeds of destruction are inherent in each generation.
That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t TRY to think beyond our instincts as situations arise.
I’m not even advocating doing nothing…Just doing smarter.
How many times within THIS generation do we have to repeat this illogical process:
Remember, we supported Saddam Hussein in his war against Iran….just before (relatively speaking) we invaded that country.
We supported the Afghan “Freedom Fighters” just before (relatively speaking) invading that country.
Other like examples, in THIS generation abound. Noriega?
My conclusion is somone DOES indeed want war because that’s what we seem to keep getting…endless wars.
And under Obama, we the people have STILL not been asked to sacrifice ANYthing as a country in this most recent iteration.
Thus, the need to get our own house in order.
By woody on 12-08-09
if we need total and all-out war over 9-11 then I guess we need to bomb germany and florida…...
because those places had as much to do with the actual 9-11 event as bin laden did…...
those were the places where we actually have PROOF the planning occurred….
there’s a lot of proof out there bin laden is a boogy man only…..which is why the bush admin flew all the bin laden family in the US out of the country during the airline flight embargo…
and we are headed for over 100,000 troops in Afgan! just to find 1 guy?
where’s the proof he did 9-11? That isn’t coming out of the sociopathic war criminal dick cheny’s mouth?
besides any short study of the bush crime family and you’ll see that war was planned before 9-11 happened…...
in fact it was planned before bush the shrub was elected…..
it’s all about oil, empire and the insane profit machine of death destruction and war….
Of COURSE JB will push those ideals! it’s the perfect congruence of his beliefs!
By JB on 12-08-09
Ah yes, woody, you know me so well - NOT.
Vud - I’m certainly not saying we shouldn’t try to put our own house in order - we most certainly should. This country has been responsible for more than its share of conflict - for one reason or another. But how we go about doing that - aye, there’s the rub…