By By and By on 05-21-09
“Homosexuality is the result of some of the human race pretending that there is no God or Moral Code by which they should follow. They believe they have no one to answer to but themselves.”
By Mark Moerkerke on 05-21-09
We confuse the unconditional love of Christ for fallen and sinful men and women, with a belief that we can attach that kind of love to anything we, as fallen men, believe is truth and Godly conduct…simply because we feel entitled to it.
In Montana, we few live in a place of unlimited beauty…nature at it’s very best. If the laws of nature were applied in the same fashion that man has managed his own conduct in terms of what is the right order of things under God’s true design, there would be chaos and the beauty we know today would never have been. There is an intelligent design and an order to things that has been kept in balance by what is said to be the “forces of nature” with one exception, God’s gift of a free will to man - the right to choose. A choice to go contrary to His design does not mean He does not still love us, but being contrary to God is sin and has a price, which was paid in full by His Son. In His own words…“go and sin no more”.
By Nancy on 05-21-09
As my Dad used to say “God made Adam and Eve” NOT Adam and Steve. God made our bodies and reproductive organs specifically to accommodate the opposite sex. Yes, God loves us all, but does not approve of us all. Keep the Gay Pride Parades in San Francisco or other cities, please not here.
By ZooTown024 on 05-21-09
I say let them have their gay day. It is protected under the first amendment and I think the first amendments protections should be available for everyone.
By Charlie VanLoan on 05-21-09
When are we going to realize that no matter what race, creed, nationality, sexual orientation or religious affiliation we’re associated with, we all strive for one thing, happiness. Ignorance, intolerance and complete bigotry appears to saturate all levels of the human race. I thought the Flathead Valley was better than that, apparently, we still have some idiots who don’t get the bigger picture.
For those who plan on protesting, grow up! Are you so homophobic you think that individuals who are gay are going to figure out where you live, take you hostage, tie you up and do something strange to you? See how ridiculous that appears?!? Almost as ridiculous as those who plan on protesting.
I presume most of the protesters will try to push their religious beliefs with their ghetto-made picket signs quoting verses out of the bible and ranting on your bullhorns. That will be funny to see, record and then upload to the internet just to show that idiocy and bigotry are international diseases.
Quit trying to weave your religious beliefs into the fabric of our society just because you follow your religious beliefs and the bible to a t. I don’t believe anything in the bible (because man wrote it), but that doesn’t make me a hater of God. I have no religious affiliation (religion is how we define our spirituality in God anyway), but that doesn’t mean I protest churches every Sunday.
I am 100% straight, but that doesn’t mean I hate gay people. I have quite a few gay friends and to think of the bigotry they have faced and continue to face in our world from people like you and from the protesters sickens me greatly. At least gay people are content with themselves and don’t have to hide behind some man-made book and homophobic belief system.
Organized religion is a joke anyway. Those who are fanatics and follow religion to a t are exactly that, followers. You can’t think for yourselves because you have no backbone. I think those who are homophobic and hide behind their bible are secretly in the closet.
You homophobic gay pride parade protesters are all the same. You think you have it all figured out and you don’t know squat! That’s why anti-war rally’s never work, you have it all twisted. If you want peace to reign or a war to end, create and/or attend a pro-peace rally, not an anti-war rally.
I’ve put my two-cents in and I still have about a million dollars to allocate, so to all you homophobic beings who have issues with what I’ve written, deal with it! Those who aren’t sure about coming out to march in the gay pride parade, come out and march! Don’t be afraid of the homophobic hate-mongers. They don’t have a leg to stand on, that’s why they use the bible as a crutch!
Peace and love to all!
By ZooTown024 on 05-21-09
You nailed it sir. Im sure youll be paying the price in a few minutes as more people see this article posted. Beware everyone the gay flu is coming June 20th. Get your masks now before they are sold out. This pesky gay flu needs to be taken seriously. It is highly contagious, even worse than the swine flu.
By ~Jeff~ on 05-21-09
This story is bound to get every homophobic religious nut in town posting their rants here.
I hope the Gay Pride parade goes off without a hitch.
Kalispell should be honored to have been chosen for such an event.
To those opposed, your day in the closet cowering and hiding is just around the corner.
By sandie carpenter on 05-21-09
I am as staright as they come. I’ll be there in suppport of gay/lesbian equal rights.
By funguymon on 05-21-09
“mwhahaha (echos)”
——-your friend,
Satan
By mooseberryinn on 05-22-09
Next, we should be promoting the necrophiles parade. oh, wait, how about the nudist’s parade? Or the transvestites parade? What about the “Vegie rights” parade? I can hear it now - “stand up for your celery!” “Hug a tomato today!” [carefully]. What about the “classic car lover’s” parade? [ouch?] or the pedophiles parade? or the “foot fetish” parade? etc. etc. well, anyway, I won’t be there.
By By and By on 05-22-09
To all the Nuts out there - At most only 10% of the entire world is Gay if even that many. So if your trying to say that we’re all crazy or homophobic or whatever then your clearly the one who’s nuts. 90% of the world seems to be normal, so should we believe the abnormal 10% is right? We could also apply the same for us crazy Bible believers. That number is well above 50%. So again if the majority is in the belief that homosexuality is a sin/abnormal/wrong/sick/disgusting then I think the majority is quite a bit more sane then the minority. Though I hate to say that that is correct when applied to this last presidential election!
@Charlie VanLoan - The Bible may have been written by man but it was inspired and directed by God. It’s funny how people like you have trouble believing in the Bible but you believe everything that’s written in a Newspaper or said on the TV News as if that’s 100% factual. The Bible has been on the Earth a lot longer then any of us and has been proved time and time again to be correct. When we die at least then we’ll know for sure. But then it will be to late for those who doubted.
By ZooTown024 on 05-22-09
Don’t black people only comprise about 10% of this nations population? Well I sure am glad they were able to put on demonstrations. For me it is about their first amendment rights. By the way Mooseberry, I think they already do have classic car parades. They should be referring to this as a demonstration rather than a parade. It doesn’t make it sound like its about them getting their message of equality out. I guess I just prefer to live and let live. If I had a couple of gay dudes as my neighbors and they were friendly or not but kept to themselves and didn’t hit on me it wouldn’t bother me a bit.
By By and By on 05-22-09
Comparing Gays to Black people is an insult to the African American race! The fight for equality for Blacks is not even close to the same as Gay’s fighting for the right to get married or have their twisted values taught in schools, or whatever other agendas they may try to shove on on us.
Black’s were fighting for equality as Human beings!
Gay’s are fighting to have people accept their sick twisted immoral behaviors as normal.
By senator blutarski on 05-22-09
This sounds like a total non issue to me. No one is being forced to attend this parade. If you don’t like seeing people exercise their first amendment rights then just stay away. The ignorance and hatred of some of the fundietards on this thread is appalling. And Jim, if you liked what Putin did then I suggest you move to the old soviet union. You would fit right in!
By Ishmael on 05-22-09
Dear Religious Fundamentalist: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from your self righteous speeches, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them. 1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence. 4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians? 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? 7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging. Your devoted disciple and adoring fan, Ishmael p.s. if over 70% of “straight” marriages are ending in divorce, how are you going to “protect” marriage by preventing more loving couples from getting married?
By Ishmael on 05-22-09
The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn’t mean that God doesn’t love heterosexuals. It’s just that they need more supervision
By By and By on 05-22-09
@Ishmael - It’s so wonderful to see someone quote the old testament so well as you have. If you knew your Bible then you’d know that Jesus is our savior and that the old rules no longer apply. So you may have a case with the Jewish people and why they still don’t practice the Old Testament ways. As far as American Christians go though we generally follow what Jesus said. So I don’t need to answer each of your questions since they don’t apply to the real world and in the New Testament there’s plenty of places that Immoral lifestyles are refereed to as sin’s and such.
God love’s us all equally, it’s the sins that he hates. Feel free to believe otherwise but when you die the argument will end.
Let’s not forget that marriage up until recently was always considered between a man and women. It was until the Gay’s decided they needed it too that it became something sick and twisted!
By Ishmael on 05-22-09
I have studied the New Testament extensively and Jesus never said anything about homosexuality. I have asked ministers, reverends and priests and none can point to one, single chapter/verse. If you could point out one, single specific mention of homosexuality I would begin to understand where this opinion is formed. Immoral lifestyles? Who gets to define that? Does that apply to divorce? Eating pork? Greed?What?
By ZooTown024 on 05-22-09
I wasn’t trying to make a direct comparison to black peoples rights and gays. I have noticed on other sites people saying they are such a small part of our population that they shouldnt be allowed to do this. I don’t find that to be a very compelling argument to banish the first amendment. And, actually sir I believe the gay rights movement is actually about equality albeit it most certainly not on the same level of importance as the civil rights movement, obviously. By the way, where are they teaching gay values in schools and what exactly are gay values.
By Grannysgadgets on 05-22-09
First off I will say that I believe that it is immoral and wrong. With that being sad, I also believe in live and let live….....Maybe there are those as they say “born that way”. That is possible, but I dont understand having to make it a public display. Married couples never do marches when they celebrate their anniversarys, the day quietly slips away, normally with family, or each other…......... Why does it have to be displayed ??? There are people that are against our firearms, we dont march down the street with them, people accept things easier slowly, and less likely when it is shoved in their face !!!!
By JB on 05-22-09
Those who do not support diversity are simply not cognizant of what advantages diversity brings to the world. Believe it or not, we do live in a diverse world. It’s shocking to see that there are still those who still have racial and sexual discrimination - even going so far as to denying those individuals the right to express themselves. Believe it or not, there are many countries who still suppress the rights of women - and look how far we have come.
Besides - WHO CARES?? Not me…
By Nancy on 05-22-09
Granny, as usual you have “Words of Wisdom”. I could not agree more. When I visit other cities, SF, Seattle, etc..I get tired of having to explain to my grandchildren why are two men kissing or two woman holding hands….shouldn’t be that way. Fine, if that’s your lifestyle, do not shove it down our throats.
By ZooTown024 on 05-22-09
Granny I am astonished at you. I perhaps have judged you a bit harshly in the past. It is nice to see you think this should be allowed. My only problem with your statement above is comparing the gay rights movement to married couples and their aniversaries. Married folks arent exactly fighting for equal rights so it doesnt really seem to apply. I dont think it is so much about putting themselves on display as it is about letting people know they are right here in our community and they would like to have equal protections. They are simply trying to get their message out there. Very similar to the ########## and the folks picketing the abortion clinic. They shouldnt call it a parade as it really does make people think that it is all about putting themselves on display when I doubt that is their agenda. Nancy, you mention having to explain to your grandchildren why men and women are kissing, you should actually be happy that they are asking you and not somebody else who could steer them in a different way than you or their parents might. Growing up I recall our parents taking us through highly gay areas of a particular city for the purpose of teaching us what is going on rather than just letting us wonder or get our info from a teacher, minister,etc…they also took us through the ghettos so we could see how poorly some people have it. It was annoying and boring when we were kids but now I am glad they did it. Couple more things, is having a two day demonstration really shoving it down our throats? I mean gay people aren’t out in droves having sex in public places here in the valley. In fact I don’t even know if I have ever seen two men holding hands anywhere in the valley. What about the anti abortion people who shoved their message down our throats for 40 days? Anyway I don’t like having things shoved down my throat either but I dont think this amounts to that. By the way Granny I apologize for judging you so harshly in the past and apologize for my comment yesterday. I believe it was yesterday anyway, it was mostly in response to the little buddies comment. It would appear as though you may be more reasonable than previously thought.
By By and By on 05-22-09
@- Ishmael - You may want to do some more research before making further comments. I also didn’t say anywhere that Jesus said something about Gay’s.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New King James Version)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
Romans 1:26-27 (New King James Version)
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
By Kalispell Native on 05-22-09
Granny: Tell us your thoughts on the marches and ‘in your face’ tactics of the Women’s Suffrage Movement. As it is, you sound like the harrumphing men belittling the effort back then. Certainly, your life is better for the efforts of your gender advocates, like voting, homeownership, etc. Hmmmm?
There plenty of LGBTs that are gun-owners, just so ya know.
By By and By on 05-22-09
@Zoo - What Rights don’t they have that they think they need besides marriage? As far as I know if they are US citizens they have the same rights as you and I? If they want Insurance coverage they maybe they should take that up with insurance companies? Marriage is not meant for them and should never be allowed for them.
By ZooTown024 on 05-22-09
So just about everybody is going to hell for fornicating and drinking? That stinks. Golf sure wont be as much fun without beer.
By By and By on 05-22-09
A Drunkard is not the same as someone who drinks. A drunkard is someone who drinks to the point of being drunk. Your golf game my improve without the beer!
By littlehawk12 on 05-22-09
And the word “homophobic” is a word used by gays too say that everyone is gay.What an insult!What about KKK or white pride day?I guess they should all be out having NAZI parade day.Do I have your support for that Zoo?
By ZooTown024 on 05-22-09
My big golf dreams are probably over at this point so I dont need improvement, lol. Anyway, I guess they generally do have most of the same rights other than marriage. But they are definately discriminated against at a much higher rate than most. So I guess it is more about equality. And, as far as gay marriage goes, I don’t really see why it matters. The sanctity of marriage is a joke these days, unfortunate but true. I also don’t quite understand why they won’t just accept civil unions and call this issue settled. As far as it tearing apart the moral fabric of society, I think that already happened a long time ago. My only dealings with gay folks came when I rented a house to a couple. They were a couple of normal looking clean cut guys. Had I been sitting next to one at the bar I wouldve never known the difference. They werent flamboyant nor did they ever mention a word about it. They certainly werent cramming it down my throat. The only way we even knew was that they referred to each other as partners. So not all gay people are the flamboyant throwing it in your face types. Oh wait, I guess I knew a couple of lesbians in Whitefish. My brother rented a condo from them. Couldnt have been nicer ladies. Never once threw anything in our faces. It really isnt fair to paint the entire gay community with one broad stroke of the brush. Sir, I do get drunk by the end of the round. Am I screwed?
By littlehawk12 on 05-22-09
I support gay day for one reason and one reason only.And that is that we will all know who they are after their gay day.hah hah hahhhh..
By ZooTown024 on 05-22-09
Sir, I am not going to get into anything with you as if you read all my posts and decipher them correctly I am not comparing gays and blacks in anyway but statistically. And, I was referring to people who say they shouldnt be allowed to demonstrate because they are such a small part of society. Read my posts man. Jesus christ. We have been sitting here having decent conversation all day until now. Hey little buddy, did you know the white supremicists march through downtown Coeur D’alene every single year? As digusting and vial as that is they are allowed to do it because it is protected by the first amendment. This will be my only post to you and I will be sending Kellyn every comment you make directed toward myself. You are here simply to disrupt sir. Read my posts again. I am quite sure there is nothing there that should outrage you as a black person. It was a statistical comparison. Jesus H. Christ man. Unbelievable.
By ZooTown024 on 05-22-09
I really wish the beacon would provide an area on this website for user generated content much like newsvine where people can vote on each others comments, post articles from other sources, write their own, etc, etc and keep track of everything with a leaderboard.
By Kalispell Native on 05-22-09
Hey Zoo: Do you ever look at Dailykos.com? Sounds like you might appreciate both the content and structure.
By JB on 05-22-09
@Zoo: say, something similar to Digg, but with an ability to vote on user submissions? Sounds great to me.
By ZooTown024 on 05-22-09
I do a little bit here and there. Really enjoyed your comment about the womans suffrage movement. That was a pretty good example.
By ZooTown024 on 05-22-09
Its not like itd be that difficult for them to do and then we would know where the popular opinion of the beacon readers lies. In fact they should do it to get a better idea of their demographic. Silly not to do it really.
By littlehawk12 on 05-22-09
I think we should have gun rights day and gay day at the same time and see who turns out the most participants.
By littlehawk12 on 05-22-09
I think that is an excellent idea also Zoo.Then we could see what everyone thinks about your insults too Grannysgadgets and cowgirl.Being that you appreciate women’s suffrage movements and have such respect for women and all.
By Kalispell Native on 05-22-09
LH12: How will we tell the two factions apart?
I’m sure both will be wearing brightly colored clothing and carrying phallic symbols.
By litttlehawk on 05-22-09
You could spot me Kalispell native.I dont dress bright.My camo is green and my barrels are black.
By ZooTown024 on 05-22-09
Can anybody please tell me when I direspected women as a gender on here? Because you get into a debate that gets ugly with a woman that constitutes you having no respect for women? Really? Interesting. It seems to me you are saying a woman cant get into a testy debate with a man because she cant defend herself. Now that is disrespecting women. Again please give me an example when I have shown disrespect for women?
By littlehawk12 on 05-22-09
If you cant even remember what you said,for instance to Cowgirlup even yesterday then your not even worth the time of day…....... Here is one of many disrespecting comment you have made toward the ladies here…............By ZooTown024 on 05-20-09Wow what an honor…thanks so much Cowgirl…Gosh to have your approval means a lot…....................Get a grip dude!!
By littlehawk12 on 05-22-09
Or maybe in your world they call that respect…
By Grannysgadgets on 05-22-09
Kalispell : the woman’s suffrage movement I do not think can be put in the same context as gay pride. The woman’s suffrage was more closely linked to fighting off slavery/ humanity issue. In a sense, as woman were more like property, could not own property, was to be barefoot and pregnant…...... Was thought that she had to frail of a mind to vote, and decipher ! It will also be an unending battle for gay rights as in fact the bible does speak against it as do other forms of religion. As I said before I believe in live and let live, that does not mean that I will be out there marching for them, but it also does mean that to me people make their own choices, travel their own paths, and we will all deal with those decisions we choose in the end ( Most of us will all be hoping for a forgiving creator in the end !!!!)
Zoo : Apology accepted, I too am sorry for my explosion yesterday. The trailer trash comment just plum fluffed my feathers, you see zoo my husband and I started out at 16-17, and 25 years later we are still here TOGETHER, our road was not easy, the challenges were great, but we made it, and we made it well ( with no easy street pass go cards)..... We are far from trash ( far from a trailer as well), a little too country ? maybe, a little too Native ? could be. But that does not mean that I do not believe that each person is trying to do the best they can, with what they have ! In the end we are all humans, on this big globe, and if we would just try to understand eachother a little more, allow that we all have flaws, and that as humans will do, we seek out that which is in each of our own best intrests…..... silly ole humans !
By ZooTown024 on 05-22-09
Had nothing to do with them being women. LOL, how fascinating yet baffling.
By ZooTown024 on 05-22-09
Granny, I feel as though I dont even need to ask you because it kind of puts you on the spot but do you feel as though I have disrespected you in anyway solely based on your gender? Am I not an equal opportunity offender on these blogs? Nicely put Granny. I apologize for that comment as it was most definately unwarranted.
By Grannysgadgets on 05-22-09
Zoo : I can only answer with the dealings that you, and I have had. I do not know what may have been said to Cowgirl, or other woman ! But no, you have not disrespected me because I am a Woman….....Not to say that you dont at times pour some fuel on my fire LOL, YES you are a equal opportunity offender <shaking head> I will admit that at times I enjoy a good debate with you, but you also know how to get in there and hit below the belt sometimes LOL thats alright I can take it, 5 years of bartending in my 20s prepared me well ..... HA
Littlehawk : I do have to thank you however for that bit of chivalry, good man to want to look out for the ladies, and you are definitely one that I would choose to play on my team !
Now my dear fellows I will have to bid you good day, have to get my fishing gear together, hubby and I are heading out this evening for some night time pike fishing…. wish us luck ! ( yeah, yeah Littlehawk ( lucky dawg), I would rather be catching salmon or halibut, BUT pike are good too !!! LOL) When you make it big in Alaska us, and cowgirls family will have to come stay up there for a bit, you can take us to all the best fishing spots RIGHT ??? <grin>
By Cowgirl Up on 05-22-09
Thank you littlehawk for taking up for us women!!Zoo….thank you so much for your disrepect…I as a woman resent it. You have disrespected me as a woman…I am sorry your thread had to be removed because I did not get a chance to read it!!! I am sure it was not complimentary. You want a piece of me…bring it one!!!
By littlehawk12 on 05-22-09
Zoo ,I never said you disrespected them b-e-c-u-s-e they were women.I said, they are women and you disrespected them.YaYa Granny.I would love too have you all up sometime.My boss did transfer me too a different post though.Got a cabin on the ocean,and working at a packing plant.Crabbing and fishing on the weekend,Life is rough.But I have come too the conclusion that I agree with Zoo that they have a right too have their gay day.But people also have the right too protest gay day.Even during the event.That is what I suggest people who are against it do.
By ~Jeff~ on 05-23-09
I’m a little surprised that the comments here have run about 50/50.It sure shows Kalispell is becoming a little more mature since my days as a gay youth in the community.
Hats off to most of you.
Great post by Ishmae, not much of a wonder why the religious fanatics couldn’t respond to the hypocrisies of their beliefs you intelligently made point of.
On the flip side, commenter such as littlehawk might be able to grasp the understanding that he is homophobic if he only had comprehension of the term.
By Tox on 05-23-09
Great post, Ishmael. Thanks for the good read!
By mooseberryinn on 05-23-09
Hey, great stuff. The theme of this year’s parade is; “Celebrating Abnormality” [Just kinda fits with the current “state of the union” ya know?] Almost funnier than Pelosi, Biden and B.O. Ya know? Golly, I think I’ll just go and hug my tomato [carefully].
By littlehawk12 on 05-23-09
Oh and Jeff,A person is not homophobic just because they disagree with your lifestyle and do not want you abnormal,disgusting,vile,perverted creatures around…......
By woody on 05-23-09
don’t be afraid littlehawk - i’m sure you and the gay population of kalipell could live in peace without any “incidents”.....
but your comment reeks of bigotry -
and DO NOT use Jesus to push that bigotry - oh that’s right you’re jesus is full of hate BUT loves war - what a joke -
Gay rights are a civil rights issue - which throughout history the rightwing republicans have been consistently against -be it women’s sufferage, or the rights of african-americans etc
By todd snider on 05-23-09
Tree hugging, love making, pro choicing, gay wedding, wide spread digging hippies like me. skin color blinded, conspiracy minded, protesters of corporate greed
We who have nothing and most likely will, till we all end up locked up in jails
by Conservative christian, right wing republican, straight white american males.
Conservative christian, right wing republican,
straight white. american males
soul saving, flag waving, Rush loving, land paving,
personal friends to the Quailes
quite diligently, working so hard to keep,
the free reigns of this democracy
from tree hugging, peace loving, pot smoking, bare footing,
folk singing hippies like me.
tree hugging, peace loving, pro-choicing, gay wedding,
lazy a** hippies like me.
By littlehawk12 on 05-23-09
Duuuhhhh!!!Woody.doi.doi.doi!I just just said I wasnt religious!!! Read the comments before you respond..DUUUHHHHH!!!! Also I am not a Bigot cause I choose too be normal…
By littlehawk12 on 05-23-09
I reaaly could care less if someone is gay or not.Just keep it to yourself.Thats all.I keep my personal affairs to myself and I dont go around telling everyone how normal I am.Why do gays need to show how gay they are all the time?Who cares.I dont.Just dont care for gays in my company thats all.Or dont I have a right too be around the company of my choosing?
By littlehawk12 on 05-23-09
And Woody,You talk of bigotry and then call all liberals gay or pro gay.Talk about bigotry.Look in the mirror dude.Or is it dudette?Dont know never met ya.
By littlehawk12 on 05-23-09
One more thing Woody.Gay rights is a lifestyle rights issue not a civil rights issue.Someone tell me one right a gay does not have that everyone else has.Its all about about pushing their agendas on everyone else.Thats all.
By woody on 05-23-09
it’s not always about you littlehawk - i just throw all you conservative bigots(i know quite redundant) into the same melting pot
By ahzi on 05-23-09
littlehawk, the alleged African American, claims homosexuals are “abnormal,disgusting,vile,perverted creatures.” If he really did possess the ancestry he claims to have, he would have a lot more empathy toward another minority group. And he would understand that this is indeed a civil rights issue. I believe, based on his bigoted comments posted during the last election, his claim to be a close friend of John Stokes, and his latest posts herein, that he is a fraud. He is in fact a white racist homophobic fraud.
By littlehawk12 on 05-23-09
Go smoke another joint ahzi.Just cause I am black, means I am supposed too like gays.Come on man!
By littlehawk12 on 05-23-09
Also ahzi.I am a black american,half native american,not african OK.Also You dont know what your talking about calling stokes a white racist when I know personally that Stokes has friends of all races ,even a Hawaiian Indian.I have already said I could care less if someone is gay.So what is your problem.Is your self esteem that low that you have too push your agenda and lifestyle on everyone?Tough luck, I dont fit into your box of rocks.I also like punk music,Is there a law somewhere that says Black folks cant like punk rock?Or maybe I should be forced too hang out at honky tonks because I prefer the hardcore.Go hang out with your gay buddies.I dont care.Does that that mean I should be forced too accept and hang out with you gays?Sorry thats not going too happen.
By littlehawk12 on 05-23-09
Just as I expected.Why are all you gays jumpin’ up and down and screamin and moanin’ whinin’ and cryin’ about your civil rights and not one of you can tell us what rights you dont have that everyone else has.That because it is all about pushing your gay agenda on everyone.And that is all you gays want.Just accept the fact that you are not accepted by everyone and move on.Being a black man that is what I had too do.Grow up and get some thicker skin or go buy some armor cause you bleedin’ heart liberals bruise too easy.
By blood gulch on 05-23-09
Dear Religious Fundamentalist: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from your self righteous speeches, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them. 1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence. 4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians? 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? 7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging. LMFAO!!!
If religious fanatics don’t like the parade- DON’T GO!!
By ~Jeff~ on 05-23-09
littlehawk, your comments let us know it’s worth the time it takes to explain what equal rights are to you. Your also a couple of generations away from those that suffered due to the bigots that fought to keep people of color in their place. Mean while, your comments and opinions show incredible disrespect for what they did for you. If you didn’t have a problem with being outrageously homophobic, you wouldn’t even be posting in this thread.
Your every breath here contradicts the status you attempt to claim.
By littlehawk12 on 05-23-09
Why do you gays keep comparing what races went through to a gay lifestyle.The last I checked you are not being forced too work in chains.Or maybe I am blind cause I have not seen any gays swinging from trees lately and you al have still failed too tell me which one of your equal rights have been violated.And insults dont count,they are part of life,so is being descriminated against….....I know..I dont let what other people think of me get in the way of my life or ambitions….You LIBS should quit blameing everyone else for your problems.Too succeed in life takes much backbone and determination…Do I hate gays….NO…Dont mean I want them as my friends or company.Hey guess what?I dont hang around with anyone that I dont want too….You want me too respect your personal choices….But then you have no respect for my choices…Typical liberal double standard…. Oh and@ BLOOD GULCH…If that was intended for me maybe you should read somemore of my post you would know that i am NOT RELIGIOUS….AND GO BE GAY I DONT CARE. AND FIND SOMETHING MORE ORIGINAL TOO POST BESIDES SOMEONE ELSES COMMENT!!!
By littlehawk12 on 05-23-09
@Jeff.You are an exact example of why “Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder”!You proclaim that I have a ““Phobia” because I diagree with your way of life.People disagree ,that is another part of life that I guess you do not understand.Why dores someone haft too br “mental” just because they dont like your way of life…...I am sure that I have relatives somewhere in Africa that eat live snakes.Are they my friends?NO…Do I want them over for dinner?HELL NO!Get over it already…..........
By ~Jeff~ on 05-23-09
littlehawk wrote:
“protest gay day.Even during the event.That is what I suggest people who are against it do.”
“they have a right too have their gay day”
“I am a black american,half native american,not african…..Stokes has friends of all races ,even a Hawaiian Indian.”
“Just cause I am black”
“Why do you gays keep comparing what races went through”
“A person is not homophobic just because they disagree with your lifestyle and do not want you abnormal, disgusting, vile, perverted creatures around…......”
“Also I am not a Bigot cause I choose too be normal…”
“GO BE GAY I DONT CARE”
Just read what you have written, you are the definition of a hypocritical, homophobic, bigot…..I don’t think you have a clue as to what your opinion really is on this topic.
By littlehawk12 on 05-23-09
That is because you are uneducated and confused.Didnt mean too overload your brain.LOL
By littlehawk12 on 05-23-09
And you still have not came up with anything specific as to how your “feel sorry for me because your gay bleedin; heart liberal” rights have been violated.
By littlehawk12 on 05-23-09
One more thing before I am done with this thread.I have been with the same woman for five years.Except last year we split up for 6 months.We needed some time too ourselves.Thats all.In that whole 5 yrs I have never looked,or wanted anyone but her.I guess that makes me a clear case of homophobia…...........Get a grip HOMIES.LOL
By ~Jeff~ on 05-23-09
The last thing in the world I’d ever want would be for you to feel anything for me.The only thing made clear by your postings is that an education or at least a dictionary would help to keep you from making such a fool of yourself in public forums.
I hope your women will have you back someday, I’d have nothing against you having the life of your desire. Even if you did have a legal wedding in a public place and a parade to celebrate it too boot!
By littlehawk12 on 05-23-09
AGAIN I AM NOT RELIGIOUS.But spirtual I am.And I do hope you change your vial ways one day Jeff.But I do not hate you.And if we happened to meet at a coffee shop I promise I will not shoot you.Oh and Jeff my lady and I have already been back together since I have decided we must move henceforth out of the “poverty with a view state”.We still have a house for sale there.But dosnt everyone else?I just wished that those creepy liberals would stop calling me a racist cause I prefer a paticular program.Pesky scmucks!!!‘
By Freedom on 05-24-09
I have just been sitting here reading this line and it got me to thinking about what is going on in this world. It is so sad that everywhere there is violence, hate and bigotry. This little parade is an example of the need in humans to display their anger against what they PERCEIVE as oppression. Our history (and the world’s) is full of the perception of oppression but it is also full of the reality of oppression. Our individual choices are never the same as anyone else and our ideas(thoughts) are never the same as anyone else. Yet we as individuals attempt to force those same ideas (thoughts) on others in our egotistical attempt to be the winner (or right in our own eyes). If mankind/womankind could simply accept the differences in others and not attempt to “change” their minds or force “their” opinions or lifestyles on others the world would be a better place. Whether you think the “parade” is right or wrong is of no issue. It just is. Whether you fight to have the parade or you fight not to have it, again, is of no issue. It just is and it is part of the “prove it” mentality of man/womankind that we must bare our opinions so that we can be agreed with. Religion has been a great instigator in this thought process, as has politics. Both want a following. Both want agreement. Neither care if they are right or wrong, which is the case of most of the worlds opinions which start wars or battles or hatred and bigotry. If individuals would just look at each other and then groups and then the world and realize that we will NEVER have the same thought processes, then we could perhaps get past our mediocrity and move on to greatness. Until that day comes, however, we will all continue to FORCE our thoughts on other people by our words and actions. I do hope the future allows enlightenment, the present certainly does not.
By littlehawk12 on 05-24-09
I think you could be on too something freedom.But reality is ,is that will never happen.Kumbaya-NOT!
By Nancy on 05-24-09
Littlehawk, I’m with you on this one. Jeff, perhaps we should have a Cohabiting without a marriage license parade, how about for Littlehawk a bi-racial parade, or for over fifty woman a parade celebrating menopause or something. It’s life, it’s a lifestyle, we’re all proud of where we are, where were from and how we got there. Why march to prove anything. If you are Gay, fine, what is anyone proving by marching except to piss people off. How is having your chosen lifestyle shoved down peoples throats going to change the high percentage of people minds that are against it. For most of us it’s not about constitutional or civil rights; but most feel, it is morally wrong.
By ZooTown024 on 05-24-09
But the fact is their gay day is protected by the first amendment so it really is about constitutional rights in regards to that peition to try and stop it. After all isnt that what the article was about? One last thing on this gay issue…no pun intended of course but how are they shoving down your throats. Are they doing this everyday for 40 days or something? Isn’t it just a day or two and then the next year they hold in somewhere else? Doesn’t seem like it really amounts to shoving it down our throats. And, if you are morally outraged by these folks you should simply go down and protest. Ok one more thing on this gay issue than I am done with this gay isse. I keep seeing people writing about children seeing this going on and oh gosh what do we tell our kids. It seems to me that this would be the perfect time to take your kids and teach them what you believe and why you believe it and it doesn’t matter which side of the argument you fall on. Wouldn’t you rather be the ones that taught your kids about this issue rather than leaving it up to god knows who? There used to be a term for this type of thing, what was that…oh thats right, I believe it is called parenting.
By littlehawk12 on 05-24-09
Dang it all Zoo!I agree with your whole comment for once.But I also agree with Nancy that the whole circus of a parade is pointless since they already have all the same rights as everyone else…
By firescuevol on 05-24-09
Yep, it just goes to show that when California and those other metropolis’s moved here they would bring their nasty habbits,mostly nice people lots of them are wonderful but this does not mean we want this kind of thing rubbed in our ( or our childrens) faces. I personaly have had friends who were/are gay ectra. They have their way of life ( not one bit apealing to me and the thought of it seems offensive )but they dont push it on me and and have the sense not to exibit what they do in the presense of my family. I would not want to Judge their lives .On the other hand there are those who want me (and my family) to be exposed ,desensitized to this behavior that we disagree with and find offensive. It is for these types of individuals that I reserve the tags that label them as dispicable, immoral,rude,inconsiderate,selfish, ectra. I will not use those terms here but we can all figure out what to call those who exemplify these characteristics.
So for the record , if you value your 1st ammendmant rights please don’t flaunt them, go enjoy the day with your “partner” but stay away from this if you want to earn some respect for what you practice. You dont want me cramming religion, ectra ,down your throat,“fair enough”, Please don’t flaunt yours . there are places where this may be acceptable behavior, Kallispell ,and the rest of northwest Montana is not that place. We don’t mind the peope but use a little discretion.
Thank you.
By grannysgadgets on 05-24-09
Freedom, Nancy, Littlehawk, Firescuvol, and even Zoo !!!! Great comments, great points, I agree with you across the board !
By littlehawk12 on 05-24-09
Well that is your typical liberal double standard firescuevol.They can flaunt all they want but when you say something against it then you are a homophobic religious fanatic.That is there way of thinking.
By ~Jeff~ on 05-24-09
I don’t want your family exposed to anything Fire, you’d be doing the exposing if you chose to bring them to the parade.
The only thing I’d care to inform you of is its not your town, It’s our town, meaning you and I as well as others. I’m a Flathead native as well as many of my gay friends. Gay’s are not a result of the California invasion. I suppose it shows the need for the parade. Many Gay’s live, work and go to school in the Flathead and always have. Do you recall the reason for “This Family Is Supported By Timber Dollars” that were posted far and wide in the valley? It showed people how many people were involved and dependent on the industry. The parade will offer you a glimpse of how many of your neighbors and fellow workers are Gay. When the time comes for a Montana vote for Gay marriage, maybe some will realize just how many there are in the Flathead that are effected by the discriminating laws today and change things a little. After 20 years of being with the same partner (also a life long Montanan), we have yet to be allowed the benefit of a joint tax filing status, we’re still not recognized as family members at our local hospital we even had to hide our sexuality when I adopted and raised two son’s. It gets old and thats just to mention a few of the discriminatory things that screw with us. So, you just can’t keep pretending we’re not a part of this community. I’ve never forced anyone to accept my sexuality but I have never denied my sexuality when asked by those I encounter on a daily basis around the valley. It seems once a person knows me long enough to feel comfortable asking such a question they don’t have a problem with the answer. All in all, it’s pretty obvious to me that the Flathead residents who harbor hate based on sexuality are a small number and growing smaller every day. At least thats what I encounter living here, about like the hate filled that have let their small voice be heard in this thread, they’re few and far between.
By Think Again on 05-24-09
Heterophobes are the most dishonest, intolerant, and hateful folks around. Gay pride parades have nothing to do with pride. Just look at what happens at these events - Atlanta is a good example. All the straight liberals join the debauchery like it’s Mardi Gras. Definitely not a family-friendly event. And, of course, the agenda today is gay marriage. Trying to criticize people’s religion is beyond stupid.
By littlehawk12 on 05-24-09
Good one, think again.The gay and pro choise activist are such peaceful people that they burned Sarah Palins church down when the people spoke and voted against all this pro gay & choice crap.
By Tony on 05-24-09
Jeff, the reason MT will never accept the “Gay Life” is for the same reason that most feel about it. It’s immoral, disgusting, unnatural and please keep it to yourself. Yes, that sounds homophobic, it’s not, it is just not right. Parden this ladies, the male organ is not made for another man, it’s made for a woman, that’s why our bodies are made the way they are. Get it Jeff, what your doing is against the way we were made. We feel the way most do world-wide, but most people will not admit it, it’s not cool. It is cool to accept it, guess I’m not cool enough.
By littlehawk12 on 05-24-09
The hate mongering against Christians here on this thread is beyond stupid also.The Christians that go around volunteering at food banks giving alot of their hard earned money too homeless and needy.Volunteering time at soup kitchens buying and giving too the less fortunate,( regardless of SEXUAL preference I might add.)Yeh what horrible people those Christians!
By ~Jeff~ on 05-24-09
Idunno what the last couple posters base their opinion on but as a Gay man I’ve not felt unwanted in the Flathead since my early teens and that was 30+ years ago. It was also more due to my lack of understanding people than anything else.
I also don’t want anyone to accept anything about me but the days of laws enforcing intentional discrimination are soon to be done.
Just pay attention to how far this anti-gay parade petition makes it and you’ll see what I mean.
By Sohei Fox on 05-24-09
Well, in my case, I would base it on actual life experience. I know exactly three committed gay couples. Everyone else I know started as a teen seeking acceptance and identity, all the while pretending to hate the society they long to be accepted by. The STAGGERING majority of homosexuals find acceptable as part of their community behaviors that would be abhorred if displayed by straight people. I know this because they ARE abhorred when practiced by straight people.
If there is a straight bar where people are known to have sex in the corners, it is known as a den of iniquity and either frequented by the lowest of the low, or end up closed by vice squads for the sorts of things that go on there.
But a gay club with that background? You call it “Very Cruisy”.Straight bar where you distribute meth and cocaine? Shut down instantly. But meanwhile gay guides actually rate bars based on the level of popper and XTC usage by STARS.
And you know what Jeff? While you might be a gay man who minds his own business and is gay simply because it’s their preference, you are the minority. You might be gay because you love men; you may seek and wish for a lifelong love to be at your side forever. Well guess what? Like the straight people who wife swap and visit BDSM clubs and wear slave collars are the minority amongst us; the committed, honest gay person who is not in it for the fun and atmosphere of shocking the straights are also the majority.
Oh and by the way… if you think straight people are welcome in Ashbury these days, you know so horribly little about the real world. That’s a gay community and what few straight people DO live there keep it to themselves. The straight people who live there know what’s up, and they don;t try to change things.
It seems your attitude is that it’s okay to have gay neighborhoods, but not straight ones. You don’t have the slightest idea what equality means, and you don’t know how to handle it. Equality means “I don’t care who you stick what into”. But when you make a gathering based ENTIRELY on who you stick what into, you are not asking for equality, you are asking for SUPERIORITY.
By Sohei Fox on 05-24-09
“are also the majority.” should have read “also NOT the majority”. Awful fun when you make a slip like that, eh? I want to make it clear: good, honest gay couples seeking lifelong love with a man at their side are the minority by a huge degree.
This is simple stone cold fact, your OWN COMMUNITY admits it regularly in polls taken by Out magazine.
By littlehawk12 on 05-24-09
And I base my comment on all your gay buddies posting on this thread…Lets see blood gulch,Woody,Ishmael.And a couple others I may have missed bashing hate against Christians ,who do nothing but positive for a community.When have any of you done anything to help anyone Christian bashers?What does gay pride do to help and volunteer to better a communityHuh!What.NADDA,ZIP,ZERO!Cause trouble and violence and problems and trouble is all ANY Liberal pro choice pro gay pro tree,or whatever.Nothing but a bunch of trouble causing commies who blame their lifes troubles on everyone else but their self!!!!!!!!!
By I Heard that on 05-24-09
Imagine a high pitched whiner cry.“I’m liberal and I am gay and the world is so unfair too me..Please Obama make special laws for my perverted a-s cause life is so hard and unfair when your gay .sob. sob.Waahh sniffle sniffle.Were special Obama please save us.
By firescuevol on 05-24-09
hawk,fox,well said,and jeff,sory bud, but your credibility is rapidly diminishing and I almost regret giving you the benefit of the doubt. I realy do not care to hear any more. I have been married for a long time and if it would have required me to move to a place where my relationship with my wife is legal to get a mairage lisence I would not have hesitated.This can’t be what you say it is, or you would have moved your happy self away a long time ago. And it ain’goin’to change any time soon. So if its what you say it is pack up and leave and prove to us all it’s worth it. If the legalize it here then come back but for now it is not so keep it to yoursef.
Thanks
By firescuvol on 05-25-09
BTW I do not spell any better than your average person who is thinkeng faster than they can type.my apologies if you think that IQ is based on spelling four letter words.
By Roark on 05-25-09
This parade is typical of the homosexual mindset; in your face. Homosexuality is a behavioral abnormality, and as such, they need to seek proper psychotherapy.
By Van on 05-25-09
The school I worked back in the late eighties would have monthly parties and you wouldn’t believe how many gay men would be there and, I thought it odd, at the time, that so many teachers are gay. They’d brag about having sex nine times and with nine separate partners on a Saturday night. (Did I forget to mention I was there with my lovely, female wife?) As a taxi driver, the gays would request dispatch to send “Van”. I would have to threaten to leave them stranded if they wouldn’t keep their hands to themselves. Dressed in nylons and cheap perfume, some in leather, I think I’ve consistently shown courtesy and tolerance and love. I’m Christian and in no position to judge as I have logs in both eyes having committed adultery and lusted…and lust, which certainly equals the sin of gay relations. That said, I pray for all of you and for myself in private, I beg you all to make peace with our Savior and sin no more.
By Tox on 05-25-09
New Yorkers must be a heck of a lot tougher than Montanans to live there. Every time I’ve been to NY I wimped out after a couple of days and hightailed outta there. Hell, I can’t even handle Kalispell without gettin’ the willies.
By hypocrit on 05-25-09
Your rights end where my beliefs begin. Do you get it?
By God All Mighty on 05-25-09
Why in the hell would a pack of sissies come too Montana In the first place?This is Gods country!
By Sohei Fox on 05-25-09
Hey, Jeff got my original comment taken down. I guess you didn’t like my comparing a Gay Pride Parade to having a parade based on any other sexual fetish. I’ll say again what I said before: No event based on a sexuality would be kept clean. I have been around the country quite a bit before settling here, and I have NEVER seen a Gay Pride event that didn’t have people practicing behavior that would get straight people thrown in jail.
I moved to Kalispell to get away from all of that, and here we are again with the 10 percenters shoving their sexuality in my face. Plain and simple: I don’t want it. I came here to get away from it. I don’t CARE who you are sticking what into and if you have pride based on your sexual and love choice then you are missing the point of life. You want society to leave you alone to do whatever you want? Stop pushing buttons. One of the committed gay couples I spoke of lives in Kalispell, and do you know how they deal with it? They don’t. Anyone asks questions, the answer is “what business is it of yours” and you know what? We like that attitude in Montana. If one needs help I’ll give it. That, hand in hand with minding my own business, is neighborly.
To compare gay people wanting to be able to “marry” to the Civil rights movement is an insult to every black person alive in America. They are of a racial-ethnic background and wanted to be able to have the same rights as those of every background. Gay people have no different rights then any other people. You can marry whatever ONE person of the opposite gender who is not a close family relative that you want.
That is what marriage MEANS. Gay “marriage” isn’t marriage any more then the occasional siblings you hear about who practice cohabitation thusly. Should they be allowed to get “married” as well? How about plural marriage? I mean, so long as we’re all consenting adults, let’s just redefine marriage across the board. That would be true “equality” in the new definition of “marriage”.
——...and to anyone about to say “Why not allow marriage for children or animals as well!” you shut up. Those are situations involving a lack of consent and you actually insult gay adults with that nonsensical crap.——
Get it: Gay Folks already HAVE equality. Stop trying to redefine the meaning of “marriage” and be adult enough to admit that you are asking for something else. When you insist on using the word “marriage” you are just being childish. You have no more right to “marriage” then do a man and his sister.
The Gay Pride events need to go as well. You’re just pushing buttons to stroke your own egos, absolutely NO good has come out of these events since the early 1990’s. As a community, you all need to grow up and deal with life like the rest of us adults do. By minding your own business and stop pushing your opinions in my face. You’re just as bad as Jehovah’s Witnesses.
By littlehawk12 on 05-25-09
I appreciated your first comment Sohei Fox.Hey maybe we could invite some 1percenters too the venue!
By ~jeff~ on 05-25-09
Yeah Fire I bet your right, you’d have a lot better idea of what life in the Flathead for a gay man is like than I would….how ever you figure.
I know a couple of Washington state 1percenters that would probably attend if the event would have been scheduled to coincide with their road trip to Sturgis.
By To: Sohei Fox on 05-26-09
There are so many newcomers here that seem to be running from something in their former residency.
Get a grip, your mental issues aren’t going away here.
By Montana Ally on 05-26-09
I am sad to see all of this bashing and arguing and hating. The one thing I love most about the Valley is how everyone gets to live how they want to live - in peace without disruption. Have you thought about the fact that Gay folks have to show up to the Straight Pride Parade every single day of their lives? I think all they’re asking for is a day (ONE SINGLE DAY) where they are able to embrace their identity without fear or hatred. It’s too bad that a community full of honest, peaceful citizens cannot grant this wish to their neighbors.
By mtboat on 05-26-09
The percentage of homosexuals, is well known in science to be 2 %, not ten percent. Increasing the number is just a ploy to gather support.
By How Many Lowdowners Here? on 05-26-09
The percentage of gay to straight is much higher if one takes into account all of the straight men who act on their desires to enjoy the touch of another man.
By Think Again on 05-26-09
Two observations: 1. All gay people wish all children grow up to be straight. 2. There is nothing more natural than God’s design of men and women. We need to respect those who are different but not celebrate their differences. Some things just are and the less said the better. It is gay militancy that is causing all the disruption.
By woody on 05-26-09
1. being “gay” is a biological issue - you are either born gay or not - that makes it NOT a lifestyle issue - and makes gay rights a civil rights issue - just like color, creed, race and handicapped status. It’s not something you just decided to do - it is what you are.
2. churches have the ability to NOT allow gay marriage any time they want - no one has ever said the churches have to allow gay marriage….
3. marriage is written into hundreds of laws and the only way to not have discrimination is the allow gay marriage as a CIVIL”(ie- government) marriage - a civil union would not work as they would be denied many rights now enjoyed by married couples - rights deferred to us by the GOVERNMENT - not the church - try to keep them separate righties -
4. if the conservatives were intellectually honest they would admit that using God’s law (their words not mine) to decide Government policy violates the separation of Church and state.
So it’s a civil rights issue and a separation of church and state constitutional issue -
By littlehawk12 on 05-26-09
Thats gotta be the most rediculous thing I have ever seen on this site.Biological!HahaLOL.Again Woody.What is the source of your scientifical claim.The lefty propaganda machine no doubt.
By woody on 05-26-09
hey guess what - new scientific information!!!!!
the world is ROUND! Not flat!!
i call you all the 6000 year flatlanders club
By grannysgadgets on 05-26-09
So speak’s the voice of woodyism….... CDC has released data that this can be a biological/social hazard only obtainable through hanging out with mass leftist’s, believing all polls, and supporting all rally’s, and parades that only support what religon , the constitution, and common sense say that you should not !!! However it is safe to converse with those inflicted through your computer via internet, as long as you have a strong anti BULL program….. It’s getting DEEP !!! LOL
By Nancy on 05-26-09
Give it up Woody and Jeff, watching the news CA land of the gays and wackos is STILL upholding the ban on Gay Marriages.
By Flyboy on 05-26-09
Being gay is a behavior and has no relation whatsoever to being black or white, male or female, etc. You can’t choose to be black or white. Having said that, someone please tell me what the divorce rate is in this country…50%? Maybe more? Seems to me that man-woman marriages are a crap shoot at best. Why not let Frank and Steve or Kate and Melissa give it a shot? (No offense if anyone on here is named Frank, Steve, Kate, or Melissa.) Seriously though, for those against gay marriage, please tell me one thing that hurts you if two guys or two girls marry each other. How does that trample on your rights or your pursuit of happiness? Why do you care?
By littlehawk12 on 05-26-09
Hey guess what?More BS claims by Woody with no source for his rediculous claims….............There is not a single master gene that makes people gay.” Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, ... It is worth repeating: Homosexuals are made, not born. ...Adjust font size: Gay people not born that way. Dr HT Tan | Feb 3, 05 5:52pm. I would like to respond to the letter Being gay: Media distortion deplorable. ...If you are black,then you was born black. That’s like say’n I was born 16 years old. now how stupid does that sound to ya. people are not born gay. .....One more thing Woody how are you going too give anyone science lessons when you did not even know that internet is available anywhere in the world VIA sattelite?
By ahzi on 05-26-09
So littlekawk, when you were a young boy of say, ten years, I take it you made a conscious decision to be attracted to the opposite sex. You carefully considered your options, heterosexual vs. homosexual orientation. I mean, you DO believe it’s a choice, not a biological issue, right?
Personally, I don’t remember being given a choice, but if I had, it would have been in the mid/late 60’s, probably about sixth grade. Our teacher (Sister Frances Therese) would have told us that we have a choice - be attracted to the opposite sex or your same sex. Now me, being a girl flirting with puberty, I opted for the boys, as I had no “feelings” toward other girls. My sister however, raised by the same parents and exposed to the same influences and experiences as I, was never that into boys. She dated a little, but never got serious with any of the dozens of boys who pursued her. She was a prom and homecoming queen, a cheerleader and class valedictorian. And about five years after high school, she came out. As she has explained to the family, she knew she was different and had been different her whole life - from the time she was a very very young girl. It wasn’t a “choice” she made - it was “who” she was. She’s not an “abnormal,disgusting,vile,perverted” individual as you labeled her in your post above. She’s a wonderful, hardworking compassionate human being whose sexual orientation is different from yours…..and the same as that of others. She didn’t make a choice - her creator did. Anyone. lilttlehawk, who believes that homosexuality is simply a choice is simply wrong.
By Flyboy on 05-26-09
Ahzi, not knowing you or your family I obviously don’t know your race, but for the sake of argument let’s assume you’re white. Having said that, did your sister have a chance to experiment with being black? I’ll say probably not. Did she have a chance to experiment with dating both sexes? Obviously, the answer is yes. Then she “chose” to be with women because that felt more “right” to her. Do you see what I’m getting at here? No matter how you look at it, it’s still a personal choice in the end. Please know that I’m not discrediting anything about your sister and mean no disrespect, but I think it’s plain to see that being gay and being a certain race are two very completely different things. Also keep in mind that I don’t really care who marries who. Love is love and if Timmy wants to marry Tommy, who the heck am I to say no?
By littlehawk12 on 05-26-09
@ahzi—-From what you explained above she did make that “choice” after she experimented with both sexes.Re read what you wrote.
By ahzi on 05-26-09
I said…....“she dated a little but never got serious with any of the dozens of boys who pursued her.” In other words, if a boy asked her to go to the movies, she went. She was never sexually involved with these boys; she wasn’t even sexually attracted to them. She didn’t “experiment.” In small town Montana in the 60’s she did what teen girls do. She hung out with friends (male and female), but had no love or sexual interest in boys because she was a homosexual. Like I said, she knew when she was very very young - 5 or 6 yrs old - that she was wired differently. LH, you claim to have gay friends. Sit down and have an honest conversation about this with them. And please answer my initial question - when did you “choose” to be straight? I’m really interested in this - I don’t recall having to make a choice. I knew I liked boys, just as my sister knew she liked girls.
By littlehawk12 on 05-26-09
lets assume for a minute that people can be BORN gay.Ok.Well that means they would all be virgins too the opposite sex ...That is if they were really born that way that means they would not have EVER been attracted too the opposite sex therefore not being able to get naturaly aroused to be able too have sex with the opposite sex.Therefore all gay people should not have ever had sex with nothin but the same sex.And if they have had sex with the opposite sex at any point in their life ,that makes being gay a choice…
By littlehawk12 on 05-26-09
So she is a virgin then.And you will expect every one here too believe that your twenty something old sister is a virgin.
By littlehawk12 on 05-26-09
You dont CHOOSE too be straight.Human are born with organs that enable the too reproduce.If being gay was natural Gay people would be able too reproduce gay people get it?!?!?
By ~Jeff~ on 05-26-09
You nailed me on that one littlehawk.I played doctor with the other little boys when I was 4, 5 and 6. Got caught and shunned for it and didn’t respond outwardly with my feelings for years. Had plenty of crushes on guys from puberty on but resisted all urges and due to peer pressure dated a couple girls in high school but never had sex other than receiving oral. Had a couple awkward gay encouters in high school with guys that were in the same boat as I. Understanding how difficult life was going to be I tried my best to find a chick in my late teens, Tomboy types were a close call but the sex thing just never worked. Through in the towel in my early twenties and acted on my desires and life has been grand ever since. I don’t think I would have picked any other place to be other than the Flathead, intercity Gays give me the creeps as well as they do many of you. Gemme a rural guy with rural values anyday of the week over anything a city type could ever offer…..
Not much different than anyone else could say that enjoys what areas like the Flathead have to offer for and the folks attracted to such areas.
But one thing I don’t get…Why do you consistently attempt to make this a gay bashing thread? Most straight guys would have grown bored of this a long time ago. You remind me of one of those closeted Gay dudes that suppresses himself til he’s 40….Then he’s so messed up mentally that he moves to the intercity and becomes one of those crazy city Gay dudes that everyone points at when they wanna slam Gays by stereotyping every Gay in the universe together .
By ahzi on 05-26-09
...and you don’t CHOOSE to be gay. It, too, is inate. I’m glad you finally see my point. LH, not only is your spelling below average, so too are your math skills. If we were young girls in the 60’s, that puts her and I a few years north of our 20’s! As to her virginity, I find it just a little twisted on your part to mention it and then mock her for it. She’s gay; why would it be hard to believe she’s never had intercourse with a man? You say you’re straight. I have no problem believing that, but using your logic, should it not be equally hard to believe that you’ve never had a gay lover?
By Flyboy on 05-26-09
littlehawk: While I agree with you that it is a choice, your above argument about having sex and being a virgin is, for the most part, unintelligible. Your theory makes no sense. You basically just said that being gay is a choice unless you are born gay and are a virgin then it’s not a choice….or something like that. I’m getting a headache just trying to decipher what you said.
By ~Jeff~ on 05-26-09
I was curious of your location after you mentioned the remote cabin by the sea thing or sumtin like that about a hundred posts ago. I know you haven’t believed much of what I have had to say since this thread started but dig this, like many Montanans that grew tired of the growth in the Flathead. We wanted an escape place and I too am currently posting from our summer cabin on the Bering sea coast of AK. You got it, my area code is 907 and my server eventually shows up as GCI after our local server gets the signal into Anchorage. Been here since spring bear opened and don’t plan to head back to the Flathead until we get our seasons worth of Sockeye and Kings.
I just don’t think that’s the only thing we have in common though:-)
By budjeter on 05-26-09
I refuse support any parade thats real agenda is to desensitize the public of a lifestyle at best is deviant .The gays have convinced the Courts that they are more valuable by adding additional penalties to crimes against them.
Are we (hetero) any less important ?
Instead of a parade find a gay bar put some Village People on the juke box and party
By Ishmael on 05-27-09
@by and by, you said on 5-22 “As far as American Christians go though we generally follow what Jesus said”I said on 5-22 “I have studied the New Testament extensively and Jesus never said anything about homosexuality.”
Then you say, “You may want to do some more research before making further comments. I also didn’t say anywhere that Jesus said something about Gay’s.” OK
So, if I asked where Jesus said anything about homosexuality and you say the “American Chrisians” follow what Jesus said, then how is it that the letters from Paul to the Corinthians and Romans fulfills the “What Jesus said” condition. That is what Paul said. Also, last I checked the Bible included the Old and New Testament.
The New Testament was assembled at the Council at Nicea by the Roman Emporer Constantine. They debated on using books written about Jesus and whether or not he was the true “Son of God” or a great man like a Ghandi. He selected bishops and assembled them, leaving out many who had slightly varied Christian beliefs such as the Gnostics, to acheive a political agenda at a time when Rome needed moral guidance and chose to select books that only depicted Jesus as the “Son of God”, the rest were tossed. Even this was changed centuries later whent the Roman Catholic Church sought to demonize women in the Bible and turned Mary Magdalene into a prostitute, which we all know now she was not and possibly financed a lot of Jesus’ travel through her business in Galilee.
So, given that, you would like to say that in a book assembled by a Roman Emporer and select political bishops, Paul tells us that homosexuality is wrong. Fine. However, my original statement remains, “Jesus said nothing of homosexuality”.
By woody on 05-27-09
don’t bother arguing science w/ the denier crowd. All they show is thier ignorance. AND there’s plenty of that going around.
These science deniers don’t understand that science is like a ladder with knowledge building upon itself as a foundation - they truly believe they can pick and choose what science they want to follow based on some violence filled book that was, in large part, actually stolen from the gilgamesh story. Just as they stole Easter, Christmas and other “religious” holidays from the pagans.
And let’s not mention they also cherry-picked the gospels they wanted to include in order to further their own power, and then decided many gospels, including the one from Jesus’s wife wouldn’t be included.
LH=Little boy lost.
By littlehawk12 on 05-27-09
Whos lost a denying science Woody wood pecka?Woody dosnt even know sattelites are internet capable.A fact of science is that all things natural can reproduce.A fact of science is that Darwin mentions nothing about gays in evolution.
By Eve on 05-27-09
Gay pride is all about pride in deviant sexual behavior. Thank you liberal media for trying to make it ‘cool to be gay’. This isn’t a Santa parade folks. Whether it is the granddad that hops ‘out of the closet’ or the mom that decides she is ‘gay’ after loving a man and having his kids, or the high school or college student that wants attention, gay is the way. You know, it’s a gay pride thing now but what comes next? Keep the kids at home. Disney learned the hard way about ‘gay acceptance’. It’s about sex, no matter which flavor you try to cover it with. So, ooooookay, now the clean little city of Kalispell is getting into sex parades. tsk, tsk…
By mooseberryinn on 05-27-09
Nah, finally figured it out. As to why have a parade at all. This is the gay folks opportunity to show each other how “happy” they are. So, have a good time, smile, laugh, hug, be as strange as ya want. Enjoy.
By blood gulch on 05-27-09
since it’s a gay parade, mabey it’s just a “happy” parade. Not a homosexual parade. Hmmm…. mabey we have it all wrong!
By littlehawk12 on 05-27-09
Aye Mat are you the one going around destructing private property that belongs too the churches around here?Remember little one that Churches display those things on private property.Not on main street like Christmas decorations.Imbecile!
By I heard that on 05-27-09
Thanks Matt.You just proved the ##### gay militant theory,Is no longer a theory.
By littlehawk12 on 05-27-09
Since my logic does not get through to you ,maybe my music will.I dedicate this song too all the liberals & gays, foreign and domestic….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXReu4ynh9M&feature=related
By Tony on 05-28-09
I don’t get the Gays, if woman dislike men so much why do they try so hard to look like them and secondly why do most of the gay men look like a bunch of escapee’s from a concentration camp. They will never find a cure for aids because they don’t want to. The lesbians you see on TV really do not look like that. You people don’t want to be labeled and taken seriously, why do you all have “the gay look”. It’s disgusting.
By Dear Tony on 05-28-09
Tony- Who died and made you boss of the planet? Let it go….
By woody on 05-28-09
talk about bigotry….it’s hard to get that much hate and ignorance in one little post but tony proves it’s possible
great job!
By Tony on 05-28-09
No Woody and Dear Tony….not a Bigot nor do I hate Gay people, I just don’t understand having to have a “Parade” to celebrate their pride. I just dislike anything that shoves a belief down our throats whether it’s gay, a Christian group or whatever. Most people are proud of what they’ve accomplished, we do not hold “parades” to prove anything or try to bring awareness to being straight. It’s a way of life.
By littlehawk12 on 05-28-09
Well said Tony.
By Flyboy on 05-28-09
The problem I have with a “gay” parade is this…homosexuals say they want to be treated like everyone else and simply left alone to pursue their own happiness without discrimination. Ok, I get that. Yet they insist on having all these “look at me, I’m special” parades. It seems a bit hypocritical to me. I had an aquaintance in college that was a lesbian and she flat out told me that she felt the people that organize these gay pride parades and the like, do way more harm for their cause than good.
By littlehawk12 on 05-28-09
If having parades and dressing up like a clown was that important to me I would just join the circus.
By ZooTown024 on 05-28-09
I thought I was done with this gay issue but I have to correct Tony on one thing….there are indeed hot lesbians sir. By the way who here that is a man doesnt like hot lesbians? If not you must be gay. Thats all.
By woody on 05-28-09
they just call it a parade so they can get the permit to march legally….
believe it or not - they are marching as a demonstration that they want “equal rights”— just as martin luther king marched in selma
What are you all so afraid of?
Why are the republicans so fearful all the time? I thought you all were tough guys…....
although the same arguments you are using now ....mainly fear and the bible…. were used against why we should free the slaves, why african americans deserve to be able to vote, etc
and don’t even mention womens rights and the equality movement….. now that got the rightwing quaking in their boots about the end of the family and the end of what made america great blah blah blah
By Mitch on 05-28-09
Why has this caused such fear for some of you? I have no problem with this parade. I have the choice to attend or not, and I won’t. Do you think all those who are gay are “flaming”? I’ve know some who are, and other’s who aren’t, and those who aren’t would probably not attend the parade either. However, It is not up to me to judge, and if they wish to parade, they have that “right” Kind of like the ##########. I thought they looked a little silly, but not my right to judge. Certainly my choice to not attend. I’m sure some of you have friends and neighbors who are gay and you don’t have a clue.
By ZooTown024 on 05-28-09
My GFand I are going to check out this parade but dont fret folks we will be wearing our gay flu masks so we dont get infected and turn gay. If nothing else it should provide for some pretty entertaining people watching from both sides.
By littlehawk12 on 05-28-09
What a bunch of BUNK Woody.They already have the same rights as everyone else.They do it for the exact reason someone else pointed out.Its the “look at me I am gay and special parade”.
By littlehawk12 on 05-28-09
Why are you going with your GrandFather zoo.
By ZooTown024 on 05-28-09
My girlfriend sir…hopefully we wont get infected and have to break up. If either of my grandfathers were alive I dont think theyd be going though.
By littlehawk12 on 05-28-09
I know zoo,I was kidding.Both my Grand fathers are gone also.Have fun at the gay parade.I am sure it will be quite the spectacle.Dont worry about the mask though.
By shoegal on 06-02-09
Why is it there so much hate? No one is asking any of you to go to the parade or even acknowledge that it is happening. Here’s an idea: if you don’t like it, don’t go! No one is forcing you.
By Nancy on 06-02-09
Shoegal, you are missing the whole point. Why have a parade? What is there to prove. I’m straight as is most of the world and proud of it….I don’t need a parade to celebrate who I am. If you are gay, fine….celebrate in private or not celebrate at all, just accept who you are. Maybe we should have a straight pride parade. I’m also of German/English decent, should we have a parade for different heritages?
By Nelson on 06-18-09
If you go back to the original Hebrew, not the translations [because translations are always tricky], instead of the common usage of the word sodomite, you’ll see that the word in Hebrew used was “middat Sdom”, which translated means, “the way the people of Sodom thought”...nothing to do with homosexuality. And in Ezekiel 16:49-50:
Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
God states clearly that he destroyed Sodom’s sins because of their pride, their excess of food while the poor and needy suffered; sexual activity is not even mentioned.
The word-for-word translation from original Hebrew in Leviticus 18:22 is:
And with a male thou shalt not lie down in beds of a woman; it is an abomination.
In modern day English this could be translated as:
Men may not engage in homosexual sex while on a woman’s bed; it is an abomination
That is, “rather than forbidding male homosexuality, it simply restricts where it may occur.” This may seem a strange prohibition to us today, but was quite consistent with other instructions in Leviticus which involve improper mixing of things that should be kept separate. e.g. ancient Israelites were not allowed to mix two crops in the same field, or make cloth out of two different raw materials. or plow a field with an ox and a donkey yoked together. A woman’s bed was her own. Only her husband was permitted there, and then only under certain circumstances. Any other use of her bed would be a defilement.
..as for this weekend, and these events scheduled in Kalispell—-well, me, I’m just looking forward to the drag show.
By murf on 06-18-10
I’m straight and support gays ands their desire for obtaining their rights - but why they want to join the rest of us befuddles me.
By murf on 06-19-10
Huh, I don’t understand your response
By kalispelling bee on 06-19-10
“By littlehawk12 on 05-28-09 If having parades and dressing up like a clown was that important to me I would just join the circus.”
You should give it some thought. You posted on the Inter Lake’s web site that you are half American Indian. Now you are also half black? I’ll bet a circus would pay big bucks for a Human Chameleon.
Can’t wait to see what you will be half of next.
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