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By bocephusj57 on 04-03-11 @ 7:07 pm
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I think I’ll buy a ticket.  Just so I can attend and learn some names and see the faces of the delusional, hate-mongering, white supremacist, bigoted Nazi apologists here in the Flathead.
By Mark W. on 04-03-11 @ 8:38 pm
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“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!”

Matthew 23:37
By bocephusj57 on 04-03-11 @ 9:08 pm
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I prefer cowards or cockroaches for these Nazi loving morons, but chickens works well as a synonym.
By GATEKEEPER on 04-04-11 @ 4:35 am
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These are the sickest of the sick. These twisted, demented, tortured souls are crying out for attention…..don’t give it to them!
By GATEKEEPER on 04-04-11 @ 5:41 am
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” Satan himself masquerades as an Angel of Light”. 2 Corinthians 11:14.
By Fair Row on 04-04-11 @ 6:00 am
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How can it be that Irving makes claims that the Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves and also plead that he cannot be a ‘denier’ since the Holocaust didn’t exist ?
By Mark W. on 04-04-11 @ 8:24 am
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Should we crucify him?

Who’s with me?
By GATEKEEPER on 04-04-11 @ 8:36 am
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This type of parasite craves attention. Ignore him and he withers. If the Germans ignored that demented little Corporal with a funny looking mustache he would have died of old age cleaning urinals and the Holocaust would never have occurred!
By Mark W. on 04-04-11 @ 8:49 am
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Indeed, ignoring him would be the classy thing to do.  But no doubt the usual suspects are going to find out where he is and get their signs painted and froth at the mouth in hatred for his supposed hatred and turn what would otherwise be an academic exercise into a three ring circus.  Leave the guy alone.  If you disagree with his thesis, address it at the question and answer session.  I’m sure he would be more than happy to answer any questions.  He’s a scholar and a world-class historian, like it or not.  Please Kalispell, be respectful and ignore.
By GATEKEEPER on 04-04-11 @ 9:16 am
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My father and his generation crushed the goose-stepping monsters who were responsible for this horrible crime against humanity. I remember as a kid one of our neighbors, a big, strong figure of a man who had fought under Patton, tell the story of them liberating the survivors of one of these Death Camps! I will never forget the emotion in his voice as he described the unbelievable horror of the rotting corpses, the smell…..absolute evil! This person is no ‘scholar’ and is the worst of the spewers of revisionist history. Ignore him.
By Cris on 04-04-11 @ 10:28 am
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Glad to see that I can agree with Gatekeeper about some things.  There’s a limit, however, to how effective “ignore the trolls” is as a strategy.  Silence can also be interpreted as consent, and you know what they say about the triumph of evil requiring good men to do nothing.

But that said, I agree it’s better Irving to encounter silence and indifference than a crowd of protesters inflating his sense of importance.
By Kokanee on 04-04-11 @ 12:09 pm
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Everybody deserves to be heard and by living here their rights are protected by the greatest nation in the world, that in a moments notice can send millions of well armed citizens to protect what we deemed on December 8th 1943 as threat to world peace and our own shores.

When we liberated Europe from Hitlers foray for world dominance the stories spilled out of the atrocities inflicted on the Jews from our fathers, uncles,brothers and cousins. I do not need to argue with culls such as these when all my eligible male fore bearers where there.

The only thing I wish for is for my long gone relatives to have been able to meet with these people and witness the proper @rse whipping that would have ensued.
By GATEKEEPER on 04-04-11 @ 1:09 pm
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Ignore him and his ‘platform’ will have no controversy to feed off of! The half dozen wife beaters and animal abusers who show up to listen to this maggot will most likely be there for the free doughnuts anyway! Let’s take up a collection to fly him and his followers on Southwest Airlines to Japans Fukushima reactor #4 where they can spend some quiet time together sharing their fairy tales!
By Red Green on 04-04-11 @ 1:13 pm
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I was resisting commenting here, but just have to say…

All these comments just go to prove that, even today, some snakeoil salesman can step up onto a box in the middle of town and draw a curious crowd.  I don’t know if this guy is selling anything more than tickets, but that alone probably makes him a decent living and it beats standing outside the local mall with a cardboard sign begging for money.  Perhaps this guy tried that and decided to try something new—-

I’m not so offended as some others here, because before I considered offense, I first considered the value and authenticity of the source.  Why get all whipped up over this guy.  He’s just a lick smart enough to get people to pay to hear him speak on a particularly offensive topic he chose because he knows that it get’s people’s attention….and some of those people are just stupid and/or mad enough to pay the price of admission.  Not me.  Move on…. next story please….nothin’ to see here.
By Bill on 04-04-11 @ 4:38 pm
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Red Green,
You’re a funny guy and exactly right.  There are lots of profitable writers, speakers, out there that understand “there is no such thing as bad publicity”, and do not care who they offend.
To the moderator if you are reading this.  I greatly enjoy the Beacon and am not complaining but…..  There is no other site on the internet that crashes when I am opening the site as much as the Beacon’s.  If it’s too much advertising content or too small of server can you fix it? Either way I will be back tomorrow.
By jayn0t on 04-04-11 @ 5:05 pm
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1. Irving did not claim, when he sued Lipstadt, that ‘there was no Holocaust’. Google “David Irving’s Opening Statement”.
2. Anti-Racist Action do not merely advocate ‘militant action’ and ‘shutting down’ attempts by Americans to exercise their First Amendment rights, they brag of ‘assaulting attendees’.
By Gabby Johnson on 04-04-11 @ 5:55 pm
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This racist man represents the heart of the “new” Republican party, and I offer as proof of that statement the prediction that not one prominent Republican in Montana will publicly denounce Irving as well as anyone who attends.
You can’t go against the base.
And there’s a reason he’s speaking in Kalispell.
By jayn0t on 04-04-11 @ 6:09 pm
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Gabby denounces people who won’t “publicly denounce Irving as well as anyone who attends”. She thinks people are obliged to denounce people they know nothing about, and anyone who wants to exercise their freedom. by listening to them.
By american citizen on 04-04-11 @ 7:04 pm
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This is America, he is entitled to speak his mind-Free Speech! Regardless as to whether it is truth or not. Why stop him from speaking? Are people afraid of hearing a different side of past events? He is coming here w/o wearing a mask, unlike some who attempt to disrupt these meetings WHILE wearing masks. If you don’t want to believe him, then don’t… What’s the big problem?
By Rivergal on 04-04-11 @ 7:30 pm
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Very pathetic that the meeting location is only available to the ticket holder.  Hiding out?
By jayn0t on 04-04-11 @ 7:34 pm
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Rivergal - the reason he is secretive is that his opponents tend to use violence to disrupt his meetings. If you exercise your First Amendment rights to listen to his views, you may receive death threats and be blacklisted for employment. He’s trying to protect himself, his co-workers, and attendees at his meetings.
By accutraxx on 04-04-11 @ 7:41 pm
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Re; Gabby Johnson.
Do you actually believe what you wrote about the Republican Party???????
By Rivergal on 04-04-11 @ 7:46 pm
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jayn0t…I’m totally aware of that!  Just voicing my opinion in this discussion group!
By bocephusj57 on 04-04-11 @ 7:59 pm
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Let’s all read about this British citizen who will be enjoying the human created right of freedom of expression afforded him by the US Constitution as written by Deists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving
By JCW on 04-04-11 @ 8:28 pm
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‘;kj
By Westside2 on 04-04-11 @ 8:29 pm
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21st century snake-oil salesman who sells blame.  No thanks.
By JCW on 04-04-11 @ 8:31 pm
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This guy is just trying to get attention, and get a few simple-minded sheep to give him money in the process.

We all know the holocaust happened, and so does he.

Gatekeeper and Red Green are both correct in their posts.
By Oliver on 04-05-11 @ 6:30 am
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It is his right to speak.  It is my right and your right to ignore him; and that is what I choose to do.
By BillCunnane on 04-05-11 @ 7:11 am
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Well we could hold a real german book burning.  Burn a copy of Deniers book and a copy of Mein Kamph. That should warm Deniers black heart.
By BillCunnane on 04-05-11 @ 7:13 am
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The meeting place is no doubt a dirty restroom somewhere. That should be big enough to hold all the attendees and Denier can use a comode to stand on for a podium
By mt912 on 04-05-11 @ 8:02 am
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Oh Gabby! Oh Gabby! What a poor, misinformed soul you are. Yet another thread where you have to throw out your political extreme-isms.

Hey, if you start running fast enough you might actually catch a clue.
By Native on 04-05-11 @ 8:17 am
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Gabby - I am a proud liberal.  But unfortunately, people like you make me not want to admit that in public.  Any civil discussion is productive until somebody gets called a nazi.
By jr2jr2000 on 04-05-11 @ 8:47 am
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Is this true???  That the Jews were mass Murderers in Russia way before the Holocaust???

The Bolsheviks. The Jews killed about 20 million.

They only talk about the holocaust in WW2. The Bolsheviks(Jews) killed millions of innocent Russians. During the early 1900s about 20million Russians were killed by the Bolsheviks. The Bolsheviks were run by Jews, Trotsky, Vladimir Lenin, Jacob Serdlov were all Jews. Not to mention the later Bolsheviks commies from other Eastern Block nations were also run by Jews, the Jewish Romanian dictator Anna Pauker, who killed many innocent Romanians, she was nicked named the Iron Fist. Many people hide the fact that the communist USSR was Jewish run by saying that Satlin was anti-Semitic, although that is true it doesn’t change the fact that brutal founders of the USSR and most of the brutal Bolsheviks were Jewish.
By BillCunnane on 04-05-11 @ 8:50 am
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Gabby…Wow after your last post I think you must be going through withdrawl from the marijuana raids. There isn’t a Republican alive who would side or agree with Denier. Denier would be a good vicepresident of Iran since he and the president there both share the same ideas and both are full of crap.
By JCW on 04-05-11 @ 9:15 am
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All it would take, if anyone really gave a hooey, is for someone to pay the $15 and then OUT the location on the internet.

And no, I don’t volunteer.  I don’t care one way or another.  Give this guy attention, and he’ll just profit from it.  I don’t volunteer to do that.  He’s a clown, looking for a circus.

Apparently, Kalispell is that circus.  Nice job, Kalispell.
By Mark W. on 04-05-11 @ 9:16 am
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Patton would have agreed with Irving. 

Regardless, nobody, least of all Irving, is saying:

1.  That Jews did not suffer in WW2.
2.  That the allies were not heroic.

Here is the question:
Why did a communist President, who overturned 150 years of Constitutional precedent with near dictatorial powers;
Ally the US with the Bolsheviks in fighting a sovereign European nation;
And give eastern Europe over to a murderous regime?

What did the the world get from WW2?  The dilution of the integrity of the Western nation-state through demoralization and giving up of sovereignty to the UN and treaties, the destruction of Christian values, the destruction of internal harmony in Western nations through mass, unstoppable immigration, the rise of the modern industrial banking/military imperium and consequent never-ending warfare and destruction of the standard of living, and a monstrous widening gap between the people of all nations and their leadership “elite”.

So, imagine what we would have gotten if we had lost? 

Again, the purpose of taking a closer look at WW2, regardless of the Nazi fetishists, is to figure out what went wrong.  Is this the world your forbears were fighting for?  Not mine.  We take a closer look at what happened in Germany to attempt to take back our own sacrifice and pain instead of having it leveraged against us to create a world none of us want.  We fought, man.  Why isn’t that fact used to bolster our national sovereignty and integrity instead of used as a battering ram to quash every natural Western moral impulse in the name of fighting Naziism? 

David Irving has stood up against the elites of every ethnicity that are the real fetishists - for world government and world control.  He has been booted from nearly every western nation.  He should be given a hero’s welcome in Montana, where we cherish our renegades and the courageous.  Instead we goose-step like the worst of those we’ve been taught to hate in lock-step with the party line that has sold this country right down the drain. 

Again, it’s not about diminishing the suffering of the Jews or calling into the question the bravery or sacrifice of the Allies.  It’s about taking control of our own history, and what we did, and why, and to whom.  Read about what Patton thought and why he was killed.  They who control the past, control the present.  They who control the present, control the future.

“Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”  David Rockefeller
By hollingsworth on 04-05-11 @ 9:35 am
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Gatekeeper: “My father and his generation crushed the goose-stepping monsters who were responsible for this horrible crime against humanity.”

Oh really, Gatekeeper?  Your posts exhibit enough hatred to put you in the category you seem to reserve exclusively for Hitler and the Nazis.  Your father and his generation, ufortunately, did not crush Stalin and the Bolsheviks, whose deathdealing and destruction made Hitler look like a piker.  Are you a Jew or a Zionist by any chance?
By BillCunnane on 04-05-11 @ 10:31 am
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Kalispell must be doing real well financially. The cost of added police security that will be needed should be rather spendy. I am sure Denier isn’t going to pay for it.
By Mark W. on 04-05-11 @ 12:40 pm
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We all have one thing in common.  We’re free speech junkies.  We love to get into it and hammer it out.  It would be an incredible culture building experience if we could all get “Beacon Free Speech Squad” t-shirts and attend this event.  If nothing else, Irving has been to the Super Bowl of free speech and lived to tell about it.  It’s sad to think that such a heavy hitter might come to this corner of our beautiful planet and get confronted by the same ninnies he is confronted with the world over.  Imagine what an example we would set for our children, and for freedom everywhere.  The example of freedom of inquiry.  What a shocker.  The example of not reacting with hysteria to disagreeable speech.  The example of not hating someone just because we are told to hate them.

Of course the only negative to such a gathering is that we might find out we actually all have more in common than not, and actually like each other, and that would lessen the intoxicating vitriol we all thrive on here.  Oh well.  Perchance to dream.
By GATEKEEPER on 04-05-11 @ 1:38 pm
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And I thought the liberal posters were nuts!!!!! For those of you undereducated conspiracy theory nuts listen up: Stalin is dead! The Czar and the Bolsheviks both persecuted the Jews In Russia, Patton died in a auto accident and your idiotic theories about a world wide Zionist conspiracy don’t even warrant discussion! While some of you were out beating up minorities, in groups of course, I proudly served my Country as a patriotic Christian Irish-American in the United States Army( Infantry ) against cowardly haters like these maggots. Ignore them!
By hollingsworth on 04-05-11 @ 2:05 pm
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Gatekeeper: “While some of you were out beating up minorities, in groups of course,..”  Oh, Gatekeeper, you brave, courageous soul, you! Identify some of those wolfpackers among us who were out there “beating up minorities.”  You know, Gatekeeper, I think you might be a liar and a fraud.

Gatekeeper: “I proudly served my Country as a patriotic Christian Irish-American in the United States Army( Infantry )
against cowardly haters like these maggots. Ignore them!”

You were probably drafted.  And I doubt that you’re Irish or Christian.  You mean none of the “cowardly haters” ever served proudly in the U.S. infantry.  I think maybe you’ve had too much to drink.
By GATEKEEPER on 04-05-11 @ 3:01 pm
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What you think, young lady, is absolutely irrelevant!
By righteous on 04-06-11 @ 7:25 am
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Isn’t it surprising? Yankee gangsters havea long history of crimes First against indians, then Mexicans Cuba Phillipines Germans in WW1 and 2 Iraqu, Afghanistan and now Libia.
Neither Germany in the first nor in the second WW wanted war with american gangsterism.The Canadian James Bacque estimates, that american gangsters killed between 9 and 13 million Germans after Hitler was dead. Naturally those gangsters claimed to have liberated them.David Irving is only doing the job of a historian, who has a mission to tell the truth.
By Montana Citizen on 04-06-11 @ 12:07 pm
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Those that don’t believe that Irving shouldn’t be allowed to speak, should move to Canada where they don’t believe in freedom of speech!  Irving has been banned from Canada since the 1990’s because the government doesn’t want it’s people to decide for themselves what to believe.  I would simply say.  What are they so scared of?  This shows the truth of the saying.  The pen is mightier than the sword!  I would encourage people to actually hear what Irving has to say rather than simply going to the websites of the enemies free speech and believing whatever they say like a bunch of ignorant morons.
By GATEKEEPER on 04-06-11 @ 3:24 pm
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Moose: After looking at some of these comments perhaps it’s time to review the Early Release Program!
By Mark W. on 04-07-11 @ 1:31 am
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Well Gatekeeper, at least you admit WW2 was fought for the Jews, so you’re not totally deluded.  Now take the next step and admit as well who lost - Christians.  And then take the final step and try and figure out how it might be somewhat offensive for the defining event of a war our country sent its best and brightest (and largely Christian) men, to fight and die for (and lose, insofar as they were Christian), is a Jewish religious term.  A term that hangs like a pall over the Western (formerly Christian) world. 

Perhaps we deserve it.  Almost 2000 years of shoving the Crucifixion in the Jews’ face, maybe we need to be guilt-tripped ourselves.  But my nose tells me that’s the easy way out.  That Christ did not intend to sell the world for 6 million Jewish souls.  Nor did he intend to sell it for 9 million Germans, or a half million Americans, or a half million French. No, my nose tells me that we are called to a higher duty than that of guilt for something we had nothing to do with.  A guilt that has left Western nations so paralyzed with fear they have become incapable of protecting their own interests.  Their interests are defined for them.  Because people defining and protecting their own interests must be out to kill 6 million Jews, and beat up minorities everywhere.  That spirit is not the Redemption of Christ.  That spirit is something else entirely.

Irving may or may not be the best representative of who we might hope to be.  Insofar as he speaks truth, I daresay he is.  Insofar as he speaks lies, I can say for sure he is not.  But I can tell you this - the manner in which you’ve entangled your perception of yourself with party line history makes you a particularly susceptible useful idiot.  I don’t agree with your bellicosity.  Insofar as your worldview is only partially aligned with Truth, you are a poor spokesman for liberty and Western values.  You’ve sold your self-determination to assuage the guilt of misguided soldiers - on all sides - and in so doing have given your opinion to those who will decide what they died for.  The victors.  And the victor was not America.  Nor was it Christianity.  The victor was Judaism.  And the 6 million was their payment in blood for their legal argument that as perpetual victims, they shall be perpetually elevated.  God Bless them they will always be among us and we need each other like peanut butter and jelly. 

But understand, the decent Christian soldiers from this country who died in that war, including Patton, are rolling over in their graves for the noxious fog of war you continue to perpetuate.  Pull your head out and get over it.
By JB Stone on 04-07-11 @ 4:00 am
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An evil man, bringing out the worst in people.
By Aaron Turetsky Sr. on 04-07-11 @ 7:27 am
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If Irving’s book tour is newsworthy, why not send a reporter and report on what he says?  This article must have cost more than $15 and taken more than 44 minutes to write.
By Mark W. on 04-07-11 @ 9:28 am
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Forcing people to peaceably discuss the sensitive issues regarding their cultural, political and spiritual heritage is not bringing out the worst in them, although at times it feels like it.  It is an integral component of creating culture and community. We should embrace it.
By righteous on 04-07-11 @ 12:00 pm
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If 6 000 000 jews died in the “shoa”, they must have multiplied like rabbits.The truth is, the germans are paying compensation to almost this number of people living in Israel and elsewhere.Those are more of them, than the ones who were accessible to the german armed forces during the war..At first in Auschwitz were supposed to have died 4 000 000 in the gaschambers.This was reduced to 1 100 000 Later,.In 2002 the editor of the Spiegel Magazine reduced the deaths in a different periodical to 450 000 victims, but still the Zionists talk of 6 000 000 deaths.If anybody really wants to find out, what happened, he has to consult with independent investigators other than german, because in Germany, if You contradict the official story, You will find yourself behind bars for at least 5 years. Wonderfull democracy that is.And they are criticizing China.
By righteous on 04-07-11 @ 12:26 pm
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By the way, the rotting corpses found after liberating the concentration camps was the result of the attacks of the US airforce, Because during the last months of the war, they shot up every moving train, vehicle or person.How does anybody think the germans could feed,treat the sick inmates, give them water to wash and drink, if they destroyed everything.The show trial soviet style of Nuremberg was to show the germans to be guilty for the allied crimes, and the american gangsters to be those wonderfull guys they think of themselves until today.In Belsen, when the army got there, they had no water to even drink for some time.
By GATEKEEPER on 04-07-11 @ 1:15 pm
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‘’ In the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a Nation are always more easily corrupted ...they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie….It would never come to their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously”.  Adolf Hitler
By April on 04-07-11 @ 1:20 pm
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BillCunnane, any need for police or security will be a direct result of threats of violence or activities from those who oppose free speech, the leftists and the anti-White crowd who are pretty much one in the same. They love free speech until someone talks about something they don’t like or most likely are unable to debate properly.

These same hypocrites think is is grand for homosexuals to gallivant down the middle of Main street parading their deviance to the public, but have issues with people attending a meeting or speech in a private location.

If there are violence and threats, it wont come from the right, it will come from the left. Just like it always does.
By hollingsworth on 04-07-11 @ 1:26 pm
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A knowledgeable revisionist historian like Irving would have an ignorant ranter like Gatekeeper or mooseberryinn for breakfast.  Gentlemen, do not embarrass yourselves by attending the event and attempting to challenge Mr. Irving.  He is so well equipped with real historical data and authentic documentation that I’m afraid he’d make short work of you.  Better for folks like you to pour out your ridiculous vitriol from a safe distance, e.g. comments in the FB. As for those of you who parrot the Jews’ phony “6 million” figure ad nauseum, please provide for me one scrap of documentary evidence that 6 mil. Jews died in WWII, or, much less, were “exterminated.”  Good luck!  The same goes for the alleged “gas chambers.”  Supply one gram of invincible evidence for their existence.  The “gas chambers” are another jewish myth which needs to be tossed on the ash heap, along with all the other jewish myths emerging from the war.
By lewiswestgard on 04-07-11 @ 1:45 pm
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Middle Ages: Question if the sun revolves around the earth - Go to prison.

Today: Question publicly key aspects of ‘the holocaust” - Go to prison.
By Mark W. on 04-07-11 @ 1:46 pm
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There is no need to get into numbers.  Irving admits there were atrocities committed against the Jews.  Eichmann’s papers reveal there was a plan.  Irving’s controversial position is really a tenuous one by any account - merely that Hitler didn’t know about it.  Irving even concedes that this point is nearly irrelevant anyway, as it happened under Hitler’s watch, he is as good as guilty. 

Persecution of Jews is awful because it represents a failure of Christianity.  Whether you agree with Pat Buchanan, that it was an unnecessary venture, or otherwise, I can’t logically understand why we had to do it, and sell our birthright in the process.  There is a way of protecting Jews and protecting Christian principle.  In fact one can argue that the only real way to protect Jews is to protect Christian principle.  This, under any stretch of the imagination, we have failed to do.  And it has had dire consequences for us, and will continue to do so. 

When we lash out at people like Irving, we are in fact exacerbating those consequences, not ameliorating them.  And this, Gatekeeper, is the Big Lie revealed.
By GATEKEEPER on 04-07-11 @ 2:07 pm
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” The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly-it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over…”  Josph Goebbels
By April on 04-07-11 @ 2:15 pm
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I have been informed that the discussion, being about Heinrich Himmler, will be limited to the discussion of modern chicken farming and urban chicken keeping. So all of you who were worried about Holocaust discussion can calm down.
By GATEKEEPER on 04-07-11 @ 2:22 pm
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.....So if a ‘wanna be’ goose stepper wants to attend this propaganda revival do we bring our own tin-foil hats or will they be handed out at the door?
By Mark W. on 04-07-11 @ 2:51 pm
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Good question.  How are your regular meetings conducted?
By GATEKEEPER on 04-07-11 @ 3:15 pm
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.....And I can’t speak for Moose but you’re absolutely right…this guy would ‘eat me for lunch’. He’d have me’ right out the shoot’ with that English accent…can’t compete with that! And to have mastered the art of telling the Big Lie about Revisionist History with a straight face….Got me there too! I might make it through the first couple of lines but would break out in uncontrollable laughter early into the hoax!  I’ve always been a little leery about the English…They invaded and occupied Ireland, we had to kick their rear ends out of this Country, they wear those funny wigs…and then there’s the inbreeding thing…you may wanna check this guy out a little further!
By H. Michael Barrett on 04-07-11 @ 3:42 pm
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David Irving has written quite a lot about World War 2, and I recall the first book of his that I encountered was about how the unarmed civilians of Desden, Germany were intentionally burned alive by an enormous bombing campaign; despite the fact that they weren’t a proper military target and hadn’t any intention of properly defending themselves or the city’s historic art treasures.

By the time of the book’s publishing, which was decades after the war, no other historian had dared to come forward to so generously document the horrific details of that particular atrocity.

Love Irving or hate him, like a good defense attorney, he’s an important part of any system still willing to sustain free speech.
By phillips_head on 04-07-11 @ 3:54 pm
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Well, as can be seen by the latest comments, April has solicited support by posting twice to a white nationalist website with links to this article saying,

“And to think that I was worried about paying for advertising!
The leftists are already frothing at the mouth and if you have time you should weigh in on this comments section.”

This is the same site that the accused Spokane MLK Day bomber posted to (and once invited a racist fugitive from Canada who was hiding out in the Flathead to seek refuge with him in Idaho).  http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/mar/13/postings-reveal-suspects-views/

Irving is frequently discussed and promoted on these sites.

Nice crowd.  Glad most of the new comments come from folks outside of the area…they don’t represent the views of the majority of our community.
By Fair Row on 04-07-11 @ 4:00 pm
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H. Michael Barrett’s comment is inaccurate and misleading.

Frederick Taylor, A British historian and author, wrote Dresden: February 13th, 1945.  This work is considered to be the most authoritative on what really took place leading up to and including the bombing.  Using archives not accessible to foreign eyes while the German Democratic Republic (East Germany) was in power, Taylor used facts to debunk wildly erroneous claims promoted by the former USSR as a propaganda ploy to discredit Great Britain and the U.S bombing.

It is true the need to bomb Dresden is in dispute.
By April on 04-07-11 @ 4:15 pm
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you will see that most of the posts were made before I even was aware of this story, sorry we have plenty of people who advocate for free speech even here screwdriver man.

Gatekeeper asked” .....So if a ‘wanna be’ goose stepper wants to attend this propaganda revival do we bring our own tin-foil hats or will they be handed out at the door?”

Someone will be on hand to dispense all needed headgear, which will include but not be limited to sombreros, turbans, rainbow flag baseball caps and dunce caps for all MHRN members who might attend.
By GATEKEEPER on 04-07-11 @ 4:39 pm
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General George S. Patton Said: ‘’ May God have mercy on my enemies, because I sure as hell won’t. He also said: ‘‘Now I wan’t you to remember that no s.o.b ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other dumb s.o.b. die for his country’‘. The Goose-steppers started it, committed unspeakable Genocide against humanity, and mercilessly bombed and executed innocent civilians. May Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini, Pot Pole, and all the other Gangsters who have gone before and are to come after them rot in the darkness of eternal damnation!
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 5:05 pm
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First off I find it hard to fathom that Americans actually still believe WWII Propaganda that Hitler & his Party called themselves “Nazis”

secondly nobody is denying the Holocaust happened, David Irving is just asking questions on the true extent of the event,
the truth fears no investigation.Here are the reasons that have impressed me as particularly persuasive in coming to my own conclusion that the Revisionist view of the Holocaust story is the correct one:

- There is no convincing or substantial evidence for the allegation of mass killings in gas chambers in the wartime German camps. Careful investigation—in particular that carried out by American engineer Fred Leuchter—has thoroughly discredited the “gas chamber” extermination claims.

- The most reliable statistics available cannot be reconciled with the legendary “six million” figure. The best evidence indicates that no more than a million, or perhaps a million and a half, European Jews perished from all causes during the war years.

- Neither the major Jewish organizations in the United States, nor the wartime Allied governments, nor the International Red Cross, nor the Vatican acted as if they seriously believed the wartime extermination propaganda.

- Although the German government kept extensive and detailed records of its wartime Jewish policy, not a single document has ever been found which substantiates or even refers to an extermination program or policy. Instead, the voluminous German records confiscated by the Allies at the end of the war clearly show that the German “final solution” program was one of emigration and deportation, not extermination.

- Even prominent Jewish “exterminationist” historians now acknowledge that the stories of gassings and extermination in camps in Germany proper are not true, in spite of the fact that such claims were once seriously made, particularly at the great Nuremberg Trial of 1945-1946.

- The Holocaust story now centers on just six former camps in Poland. The so-called “evidence” presented to prove mass exterminations in these camps is qualitatively no better than the now discredited “evidence” once cited for extermination in the camps in Germany proper.

- Much of the so-called “evidence” presented by “exterminationists” over the years has already been thoroughly discredited. For example, the well-known horrific photographs of piles of corpses taken in camps in western Germany at the end of the war are now acknowledged to be photos of victims of disease and malnutrition who perished as indirect victims of the war in the final weeks and months of the conflict. Also, so-called “confessions”—such as those of Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Hoss—have been shown to be untruthful and extracted by torture. Many of the official reports and testimonies presented as “evidence” by the prosecution in the Nuremberg trials have since been shown to be lies.
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 5:08 pm
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Gatekeeper is benny netanyahu paying you to comment here?
just saying, you sound like a rabid zionist hatemonger.
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 5:12 pm
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here is what MY Personal hero of WW2 Gen George Patton had to say about it.At the end of World War II, one of America‘s top military leaders accurately assessed the shift in the balance of world power which that war had produced and foresaw the enormous danger of communist aggression against the West. Alone among U.S. leaders he warned that America should act immediately, while her supremacy was unchallengeable, to end that danger. Unfortunately, his warning went unheeded, and he was quickly silenced by a convenient “accident” which took his life.
Thirty-two years ago, in the terrible summer of 1945, the U.S. Army had just completed the destruction of Europe and had set up a government of military occupation amid the ruins to rule the starving Germans and deal out victors’ justice to the vanquished. General George S. Patton, commander of the U.S. Third Army, became military governor of the greater portion of the American occupation zone of Germany.
By DesnieIam on 04-07-11 @ 5:17 pm
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Errr…how many of you “enlightened, tolerant” deniers of the First Amendmet totalitarians have EVER read anything Irving ever wrote?
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 5:18 pm
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Patton next came to appreciate the true nature of the people for whom World War II was fought: the Jews.

Most of the Jews swarming over Germany immediately after the war came from Poland and Russia, and Patton found their personal habits shockingly uncivilized.

He was disgusted by their behavior in the camps for Displaced Persons (DP’s) which the Americans built for them and even more disgusted by the way they behaved when they were housed in German hospitals and private homes. He observed with horror that “these people do not understand toilets and refuse to use them except as repositories for tin cans, garbage, and refuse . . . They decline, where practicable, to use latrines, preferring to relieve themselves on the floor.”

He described in his diary one DP camp,

“where, although room existed, the Jews were crowded together to an appalling extent, and in practically every room there was a pile of garbage in one corner which was also used as a latrine. The Jews were only forced to desist from their nastiness and clean up the mess by the threat of the butt ends of rifles. Of course, I know the expression ‘lost tribes of Israel’ applied to the tribes which disappeared — not to the tribe of Judah from which the current sons of ####### are descended. However, it is my personal opinion that this too is a lost tribe — lost to all decency.”

Patton’s initial impressions of the Jews were not improved when he attended a Jewish religious service at Eisenhower’s insistence. His diary entry for September 17, 1945, reads in part:

“This happened to be the feast of Yom Kippur, so they were all collected in a large, wooden building, which they called a synagogue. It behooved General Eisenhower to make a speech to them. We entered the synagogue, which was packed with the greatest stinking bunch of humanity I have ever seen. When we got about halfway up, the head rabbi, who was dressed in a fur hat similar to that worn by Henry VIII of England and in a surplice heavily embroidered and very filthy, came down and met the General . . . The smell was so terrible that I almost fainted and actually about three hours later lost my lunch as the result of remembering it.”
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 5:20 pm
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These experiences and a great many others firmly convinced Patton that the Jews were an especially unsavory variety of creature and hardly deserving of all the official concern the American government was bestowing on them.

Another September diary entry, following a demand from Washington that more German housing be turned over to Jews, summed up his feelings:

“Evidently the virus started by Morgenthau and Baruch of a Semitic revenge against all Germans is still working. Harrison (a U.S. State Department official) and his associates indicate that they feel German civilians should be removed from houses for the purpose of housing Displaced Persons. There are two errors in this assumption. First, when we remove an individual German we punish an individual German, while the punishment is — not intended for the individual but for the race.

Furthermore, it is against my Anglo-Saxon conscience to remove a person from a house, which is a punishment, without due process of law. In the second place, Harrison and his ilk believe that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews, who are lower than animals.”

One of the strongest factors in straightening out General Patton’s thinking on the conquered Germans was the behavior of America’s controlled news media toward them. At a press conference in Regensburg, Germany, on May 8, 1945, immediately after Germany’s surrender, Patton was asked whether he planned to treat captured SS troops differently from other German POW’s. His answer was:

“No. SS means no more in Germany than being a Democrat in America — that is not to be quoted. I mean by that that initially the SS people were special sons of #######, but as the war progressed they ran out of sons of ####### and then they put anybody in there. Some of the top SS men will be treated as criminals, but there is no reason for trying someone who was drafted into this outfit . . .”

Despite Patton’s request that his remark not be quoted, the press eagerly seized on it, and Jews and their front men in America screamed in outrage over Patton’s comparison of the SS and the Democratic Party as well as over his announced intention of treating most SS prisoners humanely.
By DesnieIam on 04-07-11 @ 5:24 pm
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John 8:44 44 For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Jesus’s commentary on Jews.
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 5:25 pm
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for those just curious or seeking the truth as I am, here is a good place to start.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/decalog.htm
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 5:27 pm
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Note: All ten points are supported by non-revisionist sources.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/decalog.htm
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 5:28 pm
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What proof exists that the Nazis killed six million Jews?

None. All we have is postwar testimony, mostly of individual “survivors.” This testimony is contradictory, and very few claim to have actually witnessed any “gassing.” There are no contemporaneous documents or hard evidence: no mounds of ashes, no crematories capable of disposing of millions of corpses, no “human soap,” no lamp shades made of human skin, and no credible demographic statistics.

What evidence exists that six million Jews were not killed by the Nazis?

Extensive forensic, demographic, analytical and comparative evidence demonstrates the impossibility of such a figure. The widely repeated “six million” figure is an irresponsible exaggeration.

Did Simon Wiesenthal state in writing that “there were no extermination camps on German soil”?

Yes. The famous “Nazi hunter” wrote this in Stars and Stripes, January 24, 1993. He also claimed that “gassings” of Jews took place only in Poland.

If Dachau was in Germany, and even Wiesenthal says that it was not an extermination camp, why do many American veterans say it was an extermination camp?

After the Allies captured Dachau, many GIs and others were led through the camp and shown a room alleged to have been a “gas chamber.” The mass media widely, but falsely, continues to assert that Dachau was a “gassing” camp.

What about Auschwitz? Is there any proof that gas chambers were used to kill people there?

No. Auschwitz, captured by the Soviets, was modified after the war, and a room was reconstructed to look like a large “gas chamber.” After America’s leading expert on gas chamber construction and design, Fred Leuchter, examined this and other alleged Auschwitz gassing facilities, he stated that it was an “absurdity” to claim that they were, or could have been, used for mass executions.

If Auschwitz wasn’t a “death camp,” what was its true purpose?

It was an internment center and part of a large-scale manufacturing complex. Synthetic fuel was produced there, and its inmates were used as a workforce.

Who set up the first concentration camps?

During the Boer War (1899-1902), the British set up what they called “concentration camps” in South Africa to hold Afrikaner women and children. Approximately 30,000 died in these hell-holes, which were as terrible as German concentration camps of World War II.
By DesnieIam on 04-07-11 @ 5:29 pm
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akwiley - Patton learned the truth too late. Now - let’s hear what Jews. themselves, have to say on these subjects: 

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/Under Two Flags.htm

According to my World Almanac, which bases its numbers on Jewish sources, there were 18,075,400 Jews worldwide (pg. 591). For reasons unbeknownst to me the breakdown of this number by geographical regions totally suppresses the roughly four million Jews in Israel! In a recent book by the Russian-Jewish author Sonya Sallmann (?), which exposes the true extent of Jewish control in Soviet Russia, it is claimed that the present count of about four million Jews in Russia is simply ludicrous and a number of ten million would be by far more realistic. This would leave the worldwide Jewish population at well above twenty-five million! A remarkable recovery by a people whose leadership constantly bemoans the frightfully low birthrate of Jewry. I should also like to mention that the recent reduction of more than two and a half million from the roster of supposed victims in Auschwitz has not even made a dent in the six million trumpeted on a daily basis by our “free democratic” media. Finally I want to state my firm conviction, being thoroughly familiar with German efficiency as well as the attitude of eastern Europeans towards their Jewish host populations, that, if it was decided by the Germans to exterminate the Jews, they would have solved this problem promptly and without encountering any gigantic logistic problems, by simply putting up posters announcing to the indigenous populations that from now on there was open season on all Jews. The Jewish problem would have disappeared permanently within a few weeks or maybe months
By DesnieIam on 04-07-11 @ 5:30 pm
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http://www.jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/Under Two Flags.htm

The sickening continuation of the war by other means is the main reason for my writing these compressed memoirs of mine, hoping that some people, by reading them, might change their minds about Germans and their National Socialist government. I have always regretted that I was not permitted to serve Germany in its time of great need and feel absolutely no resentment because of Hitler’s racial policies. To the contrary, I am convinced that the Nuremberg Laws of 1935 were an absolute necessity and if they could be enforced throughout that part of the world which still considers itself white they would prevent a coming disaster of unimaginable dimensions. Only a highly disciplined, racially and culturally homogeneous nation, like Hitler’s Germany, could have achieved the unprecedented recovery from nearly total destruction and loss of practically all resources and one-third of her territory to her sadistically vengeful, victorious assassins. The systematic effort to convert the world into a racial cesspool will lead to a condition which was predicted by Hitler seventy years ago in his fundamental work, Mein Kampf. These are his words: “If ever the Jew succeeds in conquering the people of this world by means of his Marxist ideology, his crowning achievement will be the dance of death of humanity. The planet will then move through space without a human being, like millions of years ago.”
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 5:31 pm
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About how many Jews died in the concentration camps?

The International Red Cross audit to January 16, 1984 records a total 282,077 registered deaths of all internees (of whom Jews were very much the minority) in all German Concentration Camps from all causes.

How did they die?

Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics that ravaged war-torn Europe during the war, as well as from starvation and lack of medical attention during the final months of the conflict, when virtually all road and rail transportation had been bombed out by the Allies.

What is typhus?

This disease always appears when many people are jammed together under unsanitary conditions. It is carried by lice that infest hair and clothes. Ironically, if the Germans had used more Zyklon B, more Jews might have survived the camps.

What is the difference if six million or 300,000 Jews died during the Second World War?

5,700,000.
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 5:33 pm
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What do the Official Red Cross Records Show?

http://www.christianparty.net/holocaustredcross.htm International Red Cross records make perfectly clear. The fact that only 271,301 jews died in the thirteen detention centers built to house displaced persons over the years from 1939-1945. A mortality rate (271,301 / 9,400,000 / 5.0 yrs = 0.58% per year) completely consistent with natural causes of death such as: old age, typhus infections, syphilis, and so on and so forth. German death rate over the same period = 1.41%

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it” (Joseph Goebbels referring to the Weimar Republic).
By DesnieIam on 04-07-11 @ 5:33 pm
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http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=191782
The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews, according to Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the head of Shas’s Council of Torah Sages and a senior Sephardi adjudicator.

“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel,” he said in his weekly Saturday night sermon on the laws regarding the actions non-Jews are permitted to perform on Shabbat.

According to Yosef, the lives of non-Jews in Israel are safeguarded by divinity, to prevent losses to Jews.

“In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money.

This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew,” Yosef said.

“Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.

That is why gentiles were created,” he added.
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 5:36 pm
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What about the familiar photographs and film footage taken in the liberated German camps showing piles of emaciated corpses? Are these faked?
Photographs can be faked, but it?s far easier merely to add a misleading caption to a photo or commentary to apiece of footage. Piles of emaciated corpses do not mean that these people were “gassed” or deliberately starved to death. Actually, these were tragic victims of raging epidemics or of starvation due to a lack of food in the camps toward the end of the war.
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 5:38 pm
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“Holocaust” numbers -

2000 days X 24 hours X 60 minutes X 60 seconds

That is 172,800,000 seconds

Divided by 6,000,000

One Jew, identified, detained, “arrested”, transported, killed, and body disposed of every 30 seconds

Please ck the math - I think it is correct
By hollingsworth on 04-07-11 @ 5:39 pm
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Some pretty good commentary by a few of you.  History that we never get from the court historians or professional mainstream media.  You dont’ see this stuff on the History Channel and A&E.  The BBC may come through from time to time, but rarely.  So kill your television and pay attention to people like akwiley and Mark W.  Gatekeeper does not offer a sliver of useful information.  All he can do is foam and snarl like a rabid animal, and babble on sarcastically.  I mean, witness his drivel: “So if a ‘wanna be’ goose stepper wants to
attend this propaganda revival do we bring our own tin-foil hats or will they be handed out at the door?”  Gatekeeper substitutes empty sarcasm for substance.  What else can he do?
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 5:40 pm
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Much of the mythology surrounding WW2 has already been debunked, such as the soap and lampshade stories. Even the “Big Lie” attributed to Hitler was spun. Those who have actually read “Mein Kampf” know that Hitler was not advocating the use of the “Big Lie” but warning against its use by others.

Real history, true history, need never fear re-examination. The facts will always withstand closer and closer looks. All that may change are the fine details. As an example, the finding of the RMS Titanic revealed that the ship had indeed split in two as it sank, but the reality of the sinking itself never changed, despite a fleet of submersibles visiting the wreck.

Likewise, the real story of history may be refined by closer examination, but is never substantially changed. Only lies foisted on the public for political gain need fear the light on re-examination.

History is laced with instances of extreme cruelty by one group against the other. In almost every instance, the victims of that cruelty long for closer examination of their persecutors, hope for it, lobby for it, demand it. Only in the case of what happened in Germany’s slave labor camps in WW2 do the purported victims work so hard to PREVENT any examination of what happened. Is this not a strange dichotomy?

There is no question that the Nazis were evil people as anyone who marches armed into another’s lands to steal them are evil, whether it be Iraq or Palestine. And there is no question that Germany had slave labor camps. And there is no question than a great many people died in those camps.

What begs examination is whether the inmates at those camps died of the typhoid epidemics that swept across Germany towards the end of the war, or whether there was a deliberate program of extermination.

The modern nation of Israel owes its very existence to the latter version of events. Here you had the entire world sacrificing much blood and treasure on the principle that one nation did not have the right to simply grab the land belonging to another people, and you had the founders of Israel seeking the world’s permission to do exactly that in Palestine. Without a propaganda device to persuade the world that Israel be allowed to do to Palestine what Germany could not be allowed to do to France, Israel would not exist. So there is no question that motive existed to amplify the events of WW2 in a way that supported the creation of Israel.

Well, Israel exists, and nobody seriously thinks it will go away any time soon, nor should it because the people living there today had nothing to do with the events of WW2.

But as WW2 is now history from the middle of the last century it is time to go back and shed the politically expedient lies that colored our perceptions and establish once and for all the facts of what really happened.
By DesnieIam on 04-07-11 @ 5:41 pm
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http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt12.html

V
ery few people are aware of the extent to which Jews were responsible for the Communization of Russia, first through organizing of the unsuccessful revolution of 1905, and then the later and successful Bolshevik Revolution of 1917. Both were heavily financed by outside Jewish financial and banking houses, and ultimately resulted in Jews assuming control of what had become the Russian Soviet Government. Concurrently, Jewish machinations in the United States, Germany and elsewhere helped set the stage for the take-over.

This Jewish control still exists, despite propaganda to the contrary, designed to delude and deceive non-Jews.

Long prior to the Revolution of 1905, Jews had conceived a hatred of Christian and Czarist Russia, because of opposition of the Russian people and Government to Jewish Talmudism.

In his introduction to the 1903 translation of the Talmud, for example, Rodkinson details the repeated denunciations of the Talmud over many centuries by nearly every country, the Popes, and others, and also states (see Exhibit 11): ‘Still what has been the result? The Talmud exists today, and not one letter in it is missing. It is true, the persecutions against it are not yet at an end; accusations and calumnies by its enemies, under the new name of anti-Semites, are still directed against it, while the government of Russia legislates against and restricts the rights of the nation which adheres to the Talmud.”

One of the prime Jewish conspirators plotting to Communize Russia was Jacob Schiff, who became head of the enormously powerful New York Jewish banking house of Kuhn, Loeb and Co.

Turn to the laudatory sketch of Jacob Schiff, in the Jewish Communal (Kehillah) Register of New York City, 1917-18, of which Kehillah he was an Executive Committeeman (see Exhibits 210, 212, 214, 215). It is stated there how German-born Schiff came to America and made connections with a banking house. “In 1873, he returned to Europe where he made connections with some of the chief German banking houses” and “The firm of Kuhn-Loeb & Co. floated the large Japanese war loans of 1904-5, thus making possible the Japanese victory over Russia …”

The last paragraph (Exhibit 215) boasts “Mr. Schiff has always used his wealth and his influence in the best interests of his people. He financed the enemies of autocratic Russia. [This was written in 1918, after the Bolshevik revolution had been made secure] … and used his financial influence to keep Russia from the money market of the United States.” It is stated that “all factions of Jewry” hailed him for this.

“Today it is estimated by Jacob’s grandson, John Schiff, a prominent member of New York society, that the old man sank about $20,000,000 for the final triumph of Bolshevism in Russia.” (Cholly Knickerbocker in his society news column in the Hearst Press, Feb. 3, 1949, appearing in the N.Y. Journal-American and other papers.)
By DesnieIam on 04-07-11 @ 5:48 pm
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Akwiley - the Nazis wre NOT “evil people”. They were GOOD people, defending themselves fpor DEVILS, in semi-human form.

Any-one
who BOTHERS
to
learn
REAL FACTS
knows
HITLER WAS THE GOOD GUY.
By Bill on 04-07-11 @ 6:08 pm
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omg willy and deswhatever you guys are not right.  Just get some help.  To anyone reading their hate garbage do you beleive this?  There are always going to be people that beleive in the grassy knoll or that we didn’t land on the moon.  Rational people know that epic events that unfolded in front of the world are not faked.  Two people can’t keep a secret let alone millions. Un Be Leavable!!!!!!!
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 7:07 pm
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DesnieIam, your preaching to the choir here. I agree with many top Allied Generals who said we fought on the wrong side of this war, after the fact. don’t focus on one little sound byte I post, try to instead focus on the whole article, which is in agreement with your position.
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 7:34 pm
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dear Bill? where is the hate in anything I have posted here?
what parts do you need help comprehending? so do you always just go along and allow others to think for you? then base your opinions upon what they think? when was the last time you had a free thought of your own? or read a book? do you have a library card? come on you make no sense trying to label anyone you disagree with a hater.“Come on, say something original.”“Don’t you realize that you’re not making an argument any more? When you call me a “hater,’ all you’re doing is calling me names. Of course, when you’re reduced to name-calling it’s the most graceless way of admitting you’ve lost the argument.”
By DesnieIam on 04-07-11 @ 7:35 pm
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Bill - I do hate. I hate evil, and I hate lies. And I am trying to help deluded, conned morons like YOU. I’m sorry the facts are SO VERY frightening…..

Haven’t you read what Jews say, and do, all on their own? Yet? Too skeery? The truth is emerging…
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 7:38 pm
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THE HOLOCAUST MAY NOT HAVE HAPPENED — IF —

  1. If the Zionist leadership in Germany had not cooperated with the Nazis.
  2. If the Zionists, world-wide, had not persuaded various countries to refuse to accept Jews from Germany. The Zionists in America persuaded President Roosevelt to shut the door and not allow Jewish refugees into America before the war when there was still a chance for Jews to leave Germany.

* It must be added that many people, including Jews, question whether the Holocaust happened as portrayed by the Zionist propagandists — at least not to the extent the Zionist claim.
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 7:42 pm
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Survivor Testimony

Former inmates have confirmed that they saw no evidence of extermination at Auschwitz.

An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. She was interned in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations with a Polish forced laborer. On the train trip to the camp, a Gypsy woman told her and the others that they would all be gassed at Auschwitz.

Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then, instead of gas, water came out of the shower heads.

Auschwitz was no vacation center, Maria confirmed. She witnessed the death of many fellow inmates by disease, particularly typhus, and quite a few committed suicide. But she saw no evidence at all of mass killings, gassings, or of any extermination program. [13]

A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard and saw nothing of “gas chambers” during the time she was interned there. She heard the gassing stories only later. [14]
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 7:43 pm
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Telltale Aerial Photos

Detailed aerial reconnaissance photographs taken of Auschwitz-Birkenau on several random days in 1944 (during the height of the alleged extermination period there) were made public by the CIA in 1979. These photos show no trace of piles of corpses, smoking crematory chimneys or masses of Jews awaiting death, things that have been repeatedly alleged, and all of which would have been clearly visible if Auschwitz had been the extermination center it is said to have been. [18]

Absurd Cremation Claims

Cremation specialists have confirmed that thousands of corpses could not possibly have been cremated every day throughout the spring and summer of 1944 at Auschwitz, as commonly alleged.

For example, Mr. Ivan Lagace, manager of a large crematory in Calgary, Canada, testified in court in April 1988 that the Auschwitz cremation story is technically impossible. The allegation that 10,000 or even 20,000 corpses were burned every day at Auschwitz in the summer of 1944 in crematories and open pits is simply “preposterous” and “beyond the realm of reality,” he declared under oath. [19]
By akwiley1 on 04-07-11 @ 7:45 pm
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one fact that should ALWAYS be brought out - particularly in regard to this so-called “60th” commemoration of the ... er ... the ... “liberation” of Auschwitz in January of 1945 by the Red Army of the Communist Soviet Union is this fact: that camp in Poland - Auschwitz - merely underwent a CHANGE IN MANAGEMENT at THAT time, ie from “Nazi” to “Commie.” It most definitely was NOT ‘liberated’ no matter how one looks at it.

That camp in Auschwitz was CONTINUED to be run as a concentration camp up until the year 1951 (!!!!) by the Communist USSR under Stalin until two years before Stalin’s death when it was then converted (1951) into an official Communist ‘State Museum’ (read: anti-German Propaganda Factory) in then Communist Poland.

From 1945 up until 1951 when it finally finished its role as a functioning death camp - some 250,000 victims were put to death there. Victims of the Commies this time. It point of actually documented fact - this total of Stalinist victims actually exceeded the previous occupiers ’ total by about three times : ie the ACTUAL number of persons who died in Auschwitz between 1940 and 1945 when the Germans were running that place was some 75,000 souls - 63,000 of whom were JEWISH - few if any of whom ever died from any “gassing.”

Most died from the wartime typhus epidemic and severe malnutrition-induced illness

None of the 250,000 victims during the Stalinist period (1945 up to 1951) ever died of any “gassing” there, either, for that matter.

Most died from either being worked to death as slave laborers - or died of disease and starvation. A few died from firing squad style executions.

That’s it.

Those are the ACTUAL, REAL historical facts about the real Auschwitz.
By ToadFish2334324 on 04-07-11 @ 7:49 pm
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“hate-mongering, white supremacist, bigoted Nazi”

In your opinion they are “hate-mongering, white supremacist, bigoted Nazi"s. You are just saying that, because they are white.

As for the holocaust, I don’t know much about it at all, other than there have been a few others far larger, that have been ignored for some reason. But what I do know is they jail people in Europe for discussing “The Holocaust”.

And every time they jail people who DISCUSS a proposition, something is always wrong with that proposition. And they ALWAYS say they are just jailing them because they are offending people.
By Genseric on 04-07-11 @ 8:50 pm
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bocephusj57 wrote:

“I think I’ll buy a ticket.  Just so I can attend and learn some names and see the faces of the delusional, hate-mongering, white supremacist, bigoted Nazi apologists here in the Flathead.”

Well, isn’t that nice of you. I am sure you will make good on this seemingly hollow promise. You’re just calling Mr. Irving and the attendees “Nazis” because they are White. Unlike you, some people don’t just gobble up all of the tripe their mommy professors feed them. The fact of the matter is that there is a real genocide going on NOW. It is being waged against White children in their own countries. The real haters are those who promote illegal immigration ONLY for White nations and interracial marriage ONLY between Whites and nonwhites. They say they are anti-racists but what they are is anti-White. Mr. Irving is a pro-White, therefore YOU hate him. And that, sir, makes you an anti-White.

Anti-racist is just a codeword for anti-White.
By William Castle on 04-07-11 @ 9:13 pm
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Disrupting a meeting with violence - I remember reading about that in school… oh, yeah, that’s what the Brown Shirts in Nazi Germany did! We would never do that here.
By April on 04-07-11 @ 9:28 pm
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“Disrupting a meeting with violence”

William, that is what the “rev” Kistler and his mob of rabid haters do when they cannot debate the topic because of their ignorance. That and lie about the topic and threaten the people who want to attend. Then they show their true hypocrisy when they show dirty movies in the library several weeks later.
By April on 04-07-11 @ 9:31 pm
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‘The fascists of the future will be called the “anti fascists” - - Winston Churchill
By Backpacker on 04-08-11 @ 1:23 am
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There was no Holocaust™

Nuremberg trials violated Article I, section 9 of the US Constitution banning ex post facto law application. That is simply a fact.
www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec9.html

Confession by torture is inadmissable evidence in US Supreme Court rulings, Brown vs. Mississippi, 297 US 278 (1936)

American Criminal Procedure, Cases and Commentary, Stephen A. Saltzburg, 3rd edition, American Casebook Series, 1988 pp. 447-451.

http://www.codoh.info/trials/trihoess.html
The Nuremberg trials violated US Federal law and what the United States of America stands for.

Holocaust™ Hoax. It’s not what America stands for.
By Backpacker on 04-08-11 @ 1:26 am
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“During the war, I.G.‘s industrial complex built at Auschwitz, to exploit the supply of Jew labour for the production of synthethic oil, was so enormous that the Auschwitz complex used as much electricity as the city of Berlin.”

The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben
Borkin, Joseph.
Hardcover: 250 pages
Publisher: Free Press
ISBN-10: 0029046300
www.amazon.com/Crime-Punishment-I-G-Farben/dp/0671827553”]Amazon.com: The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben (9780671827557): Joseph borkin: Books

That’s the whole point of history is to tell the truth. Yes Jew slave [low wage] labor was used at Auschwitz for the vital synthetic oil refineries. They were then bombed by Allied bombers. So Jews died.
By accutraxx on 04-08-11 @ 2:45 am
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There have been many holocausts in the world.
Stalin, when he starved the Ukraine.
Mao, when he murdered in China.
Several in Africa.
The winner always gets to write the history books .
By GATEKEEPER on 04-08-11 @ 4:56 am
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Looks like the whole cast from ‘Deliverance’ has invaded these boards! Since Medication and therapy obviously hasn’t helped with your delusional thinking enjoy your ‘hate party’ and don’t trip on your combat boots on the way out of town! All I can say is that as a true Patriotic American Conservative this twisted and demented evil hatred makes my skin crawl!
By hollingsworth on 04-08-11 @ 5:23 am
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Gatekeeper:  “All I can say is that as a true Patriotic American Conservative this twisted and demented evil hatred makes my skin crawl!”
All I can say as an American of Danish/Irish extraction that your are probably a true Patriotic Zionist.  You have not contributed a nickel’s worth of useful knowledge to this forum.  You have not refuted one bit of solid revisionist history supplied by a host of commentators.  Why?  Because you can’t.  Gatekeeper, your ignorant and ill-informed.  You’ve watched and listgened to too much Jewish media and entertainment propaganda over the years.  And you may very well be a Jew yourself.
By GATEKEEPER on 04-08-11 @ 6:41 am
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Also reminds me of the Rattle-snakes we used to shoot, skin and eat when we were in desert warfare training at Fort Irwin in the Mojave Desert! A couple of parting thoughts: Some of your parents may have shamefully lied about your true ‘extraction’...I’d suggest a DNA test! A lie can never stand up to the light of truth! Make sure that you check for Jews and Zionists under your beds and in your closets tonight before bed….And most importantly check for them in your kool-aid glass before you take all those meds!  Enough said…I’m disengaging from this insanity!
By Backpacker on 04-08-11 @ 6:44 am
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mooseberryinn,

I think you need to realize that the Jews as Auschwitz were killed by US bombing. Here is the proof:

“New Evidence Concerning the Allies and Auschwitz”
[The frequent Allied bombings of seven synthetic oil refineries at Auschwitz.]
Rafael Medoff,  2001
www.muse.jhu.edu/journals/american_jewish_history

Evidence of US bomb runs firestorms on Auschwitz Jews in the oil refineries of Auschwitz. The WW II mission logs of the 459th bomb group.
http://www.459bg.org/Mission.cfm?MID=496

Lets not forget that a Jew, Lenin, set up the GULAG concentration camp network which killed 45 million people in the Soviet Union.

” Volkogonov again: “The idea of the concentration camp system — the State Camp Administration, or GULAG — and the appalling purges of the 1930s are commonly associated with Stalin, but the true father of the Bolshevik concentration camps, the executions, the mass terror and the ‘organs’ which stood above the state, was Lenin.”

http://www.amazon.com/Lenin-New-Biography-Dmitri-Volkogonov/dp/0029334357

So a Jew named Lenin genocided 45 million people all in the name of fighting racial exclusiveness in the USSR. Is that cost not too high?

R.J. Rummel,

Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1917
New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction Publications, 1992
USSR—Genocide and Mass Murder

When the Jew supremacists, such as Lenin, have genocided at least 45 million innocent people in the name of getting rid of racial lines, isn’t it a little bit hypocritical to try to blame Allied bombing of Auschwitz’s Jews upon the Germans?
By Genseric on 04-08-11 @ 6:44 am
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[‘The fascists of the future will be called the “anti fascists” - - Winston Churchill

Now it reads, “The racists of the future will be called anti-racists.” The future is now.

They promote their genocidal programs of replacement through displacement and assimilation through interracial marriage only between Whites and nonwhites and ONLY in White nations. White children are being replaced in their own countries.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.

Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.
By righteous on 04-08-11 @ 6:53 am
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The goosesteppers did not start it. The Poles were the first to mobilize the army.Thereafter the British and France declared war. It would be to some advantage to You to get the things as they really happend.Hitler offered peace about 40 times in 1940, but Churchill wanted to get the US into it, so he would come out the winner, even if it cost millions of victims.Of course he wanted the communists to help also, even if he betrayed his polish ally. The yankee gangsters started to attack german submarines and planes long before Hitler declared war against them after Pearl Harbour.The gangster Roosevelt was so eager to get into it, that he sacrtificed more than 1500 americans to be able to get started.It was just another show of yankee gangsterism.AS we see in Libya today, there is no way to stop them..
By Backpacker on 04-08-11 @ 6:56 am
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“They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.”

Very true. The Jewish Communist USSR constitution of 1936 stated that ‘racial exclusiveness’ was a criminal offense.

“Chapter X, Article 123
FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF CITIZENS
...on account of their race or nationality, as well as any advocacy of racial or national exclusiveness or hatred and contempt, is punishable by law.”
http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/russian/const/36cons04.html#chap10

So 45 million were killed.

Anti-race, against race itself, is what they are. The destruction of all unique differences.

Anti-racist is anti-race—against Humanity.
By Genseric on 04-08-11 @ 6:57 am
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Everyone who hates Germany in particular, hates Whites in general.

Personally I LOVE Deutschland and my people.

Why is anything inherently White automatically ‘racist’ and demonized as such?
By Backpacker on 04-08-11 @ 7:33 am
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bocephusj57 on 04-03-11 said:

“I think I’ll buy a ticket.  Just so I can attend and learn some names and see the faces of the delusional, hate-mongering, white supremacist, bigoted Nazi 2/apologists here in the Flathead.”

That would be NKVD-KGB Jewish terror organization method. Solzhenitsyn said “the secret police (Cheka) was controlled by Bolshevistic Jews.”
http://www.vho.org/tr/2004/3/Strauss342-351.html.

So you are using Jew NKVD state terror tactics. Tactics of fear and terror which led to the deaths of over 45 million people in the last century.

Kalispell and the Flathead valley deserve the right to protect Freedom of Speech and a lively debate over history.

America stands for Freedom of Speech, not Jewish NKVD terror tactics of intimidation. Let people be.

No more neo-Marxist genocide, terror and hate.
By usupportgeNOcide? on 04-08-11 @ 8:06 am
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“Hello,I`m an anti-white.I want to see white children eliminated from the face of the Earth via immigration and “assimilation” in ONLY white countries.

“I`m not really a genocide supporter,honest!”?

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white
By usupportgeNOcide? on 04-08-11 @ 8:16 am
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If you talk to an anti-white,and you ask:

“So you are perfectly happy with white children being demographically exterminated(genocide) by these imported 3rd world colonists?”

They`ll bluster and give you some major-league BS.

They pretend butter would`nt melt? in their little concerned-for-“humanity” cakeholes and because of that white children can never be made a top priority for white people because that would be…..errrr….rayycisst?

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
By abe1 on 04-08-11 @ 8:37 am
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These revisionists never will debate the “holocaust”! They are afraid to!
By hollingsworth on 04-08-11 @ 9:12 am
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Gatekeeper:  “Enough said…I’m disengaging from this insanity!”

Well, that will at least remove one major source of smarmy, mindless nonsense.
By Mark W. on 04-08-11 @ 10:04 am
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I don’t see how it’s conducive to good discussion to deny that the Nazis committed atrocities against the Jews.  It hits people’s hot buttons and they shut down.  And Irving does not deny it.  It is in fact, a fact.  Arguing about the reality or non-reality of systematic gassing or any of the other elements of the situation is great for maintaining historical accuracy, but politically it’s a dead-end.  It just shows that all you’re interested in is hitting people’s hot buttons.  That’s not politically astute.

We should all admit this:  Jews have been booted from most nations, repeatedly.  It’s part of the warp and woof of human history.  Culture decays, people seek harmony, boot those that are different, rebuild, and then allow them back in. The Germans were no different.  But they were surrounded on all sides.  By the time they had begun the process the Jews had already become too powerful.  Things got way, way out of hand.  They were the last to take a stand, but they lost.  If any nation tried anything remotely like that at this point, they’d probably be nuked before the first stone was thrown through the first window. 

But the impulse to expel the Jews has been a natural part of human cultural history.  There is no point in denying it, or that it got out of hand.  I think the real issue is that we understand the consequence of stopping that natural ebb and flow of human self-determination, and that it has probably stopped forever.  We can cheer about it as a victory for humanity, or see it for what it really is - the end of history for Western Christian civilization.  The Jews have finally succeeded in taking what Christ refused to give them.  If those who lament that turn of events would focus less on the Jews and more on the sorrow for the beauty of what we have lost forever, we would have a better chance of at least having fewer of those who would be our natural allies, like Gatekeeper, unknowingly cheering for the loss of all he would probably otherwise hold dear. 

We’ve lost the world.  Let’s see if we can simply stop people from enjoying dancing on its grave.
By accutraxx on 04-08-11 @ 10:37 am
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One thing that I have never been able to come to grips with is this;
Peter Paul Mauser of Germany invented the Mauser Rifle. The Mauser rifle was used by Germany and its allies through out the war(s).
There were millions of them made.
Peter Paul Mauser ended up selling his share of the Mauser company to a Jewish person with the name of Loewe(prior to WW2).
I have never been able to understand how someone could manufacture a weapon that was to be used on his own people.
I am in fact pro Israel, and I believe that Israel should not be divided and it has the right to exist forever.
However that Mauser rifle thing is something that I have a hard time with.
Don’t believe me? Google it.
By usupportgeNOcide? on 04-08-11 @ 10:46 am
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Africa for the Africans,Asia? for the Asians,white countries for EVERYBODY!

Are YOU pro-white,or pro-white genocide?
By April on 04-08-11 @ 11:26 am
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Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, White countries for Everybody

Genocide by Assimilation

It is said that there is this RACE problem. They say this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
By Luke on 04-08-11 @ 11:38 am
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No one is flooding China with non-chinese and giving them special rights and benefits.

No one is flooding Africa with non-Africans and giving them special rights and benefits.

No one is flooding Mexico with non-mexicans and giving them special rights and benefits.

Only White Countries are doing this! Only White Leaders are doing this! Only White Children are affected by this!...IT IS GENOCIDE!

There are no social constructs under international law! Look it up! Under international law “race is real and it matters”.

There has been a clear and consistent targeting of only white children.
By Luke on 04-08-11 @ 11:41 am
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HERESY!

Each society has its own word for HERESY!

Communists called all HERESY! fascism. Fascist Italy called all HERESY Communist.

Today, under the Politically Correct tyranny, HERESY! is called HATE! or “racism.” Nobody wants to try to deal with a point like the one I made, so they start demanding that nobody say it, just like any other tyranny does. They call people who speak HERESY! names.

You Political Correctness Fanatics are playing a very old game.

When you call people names who disagree with you or scream Hate or racism, a.k.a., HERESY! it says nothing about the point we heretics make.

But it tells us ALL about YOU.
By Vud on 04-08-11 @ 11:48 am
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’ Genocide by Assimilation ‘.

...Yawn…
By Genseric on 04-08-11 @ 12:05 pm
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Vud wrote:

[Genocide by Assimilation ‘.

...Yawn…]

You’re just yawning because it is the plight of White children we are talking about here. If it were any of the third world nonwhite children on the planet, then you anti-Whites would be the first to scream about how we need to be adopting the poor lil’ buggers. Getting sleepy about a subject that ‘BORES’ you doesn’t make the genocide against South African Boers go away and it doesn’t give European American children THEIR country back.

You folks like to pretend that you are anti-racist. What you really are is anti-White.

Anti-racism is a codeword for anti-White.

It looks like free speech isn’t so FREE in the Flathead.

Why is your heart so hate-filled? Why are you so anti-White?
By Backpacker on 04-08-11 @ 12:21 pm
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I don’t see how it’s conducive to good discussion to deny that the Allies committed atrocities against the Jews.  It hits people’s hot buttons and they shut down.  And Irving does not deny it.  It is in fact, a fact.  Arguing about the reality or non-reality of systematic gassing or any of the other elements of the situation is great for maintaining historical accuracy, but politically it’s a dead-end.  It just shows that all you’re interested in is hitting people’s hot buttons.  That’s not politically astute.

We should all admit this:  Jews have been booted from most nations, repeatedly.  It’s part of the sociological awareness of peoples.  Culture decays because of Jews, White people seek harmony, boot those that are not White, rebuild, and then a corrupt few allow them back in.  The Germans had begun to expel the Jews, and as usual in the warp and woof of history the Jews already had become very powerful.  The controls on Jews were put into effect.  The Germans made a stand, like the English did in 1290 and were attacked like England was when in 1295 Scotland and France formed an alliance, the so-called “Auld Alliance”, against England. If any nation tried anything like that at this point, they’d probably have a similar group of corrupt nations arrayed against them as the Auld Alliance.

But the decision to expel the Jews has been a careful, thoughtful process throughout history, not an impulse as the ADL says.  There is no point in denying it that the reason to expel Jews is a rational one, and that it has never gotten out of hand. I think the real issue is that we understand the consequence of Jewish mythical religious lies, and that with enough education of the facts, that Whites will stop believing Jewish theological lies forever.  We can cheer about White racial awareness as a victory for humanity, or see it for what it really is - the end of Jews running the ideological and theological control.  The Jews have finally failed in maintaining a controlling theology for White Europeans.  Jews say that if those who lament that turn of events would focus less on the Jews and more on the sorrow for the beauty of what we have lost forever, the gentle Saviour of Ann Frank, the new Jesus Christ who died for our Sins, we would have a better chance of at least being enslaved for another two thousand years to the Jew.

Jews say that “Nazi atrocities” killed the theological martyr Ann Frank. Ann Frank died of Typhus due directly from Allied bombing.

The early Latin Vulgate bible wrote that the gentle rabbi Jew Christ was killed by Whites, Pontius Pilate. The Holocaust™ writes that the gentle Jew Ann Frank was killed by Whites, Adolf Hitler. In both cases the Jews have killed their own Jews, in a false flag operation, and blamed it on Whites to create a controllable guilt dynamic that works on the European meme.
By Backpacker on 04-08-11 @ 12:34 pm
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By Mark W. on 04-08-11

“Arguing about the reality or non-reality of systematic gassing or any of the other elements of the situation is great for maintaining historical accuracy, but politically it’s a dead-end. “

I disagree.

There is no evidence, Mark W., that any gassing of humans took place under the German rule.

The NKVD did use gassing to kill people, however. Solzhenitsyn writes of the Jewish man Berg of the NKVD who invented gas trucks which gassed human beings alive.

So the Nazis didn’t use gassing and didn’t engage in authorized systematic atrociies, according to the facts. While the Jew Marxists did in fact.

“In his controversial historical work Two Hundred Years Together claimed that Isaiah Berg, the head of the administrative and economic department of NKVD of Moscov oblast, was the inventor of the gas van in Soviet Union in 1937. Solzhenitsyn wrote:

  ‘I.D.Berg was ordered to carry out decisions of “troika” of agency of NKVD of Moscow oblast, and Berg was decently carrying out this assignment: he was driving people to the executions by shooting. But, when in Moscow oblast there came to be three “troikas” having their sessions simultaneously, the executioners could not cope with the load. Then the solution was thought about: to undress the victims naked, to tie them up, plug their mouths and throw them into a closed truck, disguised from outside as a bread van. During transportation the flue gases came into the truck, and when delivered to the farthest [execution] ditch the arrestees were already dead.[5]’”

Whenever we discuss WW II and the Holocaust™ shoah myth, we have to compare it to historical events for context.

Mark W. your core thesis is that the “Nazis committed atrocities against the Jews” and that this comprises the Holocaust™. The facts are Allied bombing of waterways, Auschwitz synthetic oil refineries, killed the Jews. The main proponent of the Allied bombing which caused the Typhus which killed Ann Frank was Henry Morgenthau, the author of the plan of bombing of the water and food routes in central Europe.

The Jew elite of Hentry Morgenthau killed Ann Frank and the 180,000 Jewish deaths in the Holocaust™.
By Mark W. on 04-08-11 @ 12:40 pm
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I know they have created a guilt dynamic.  Saying there wasn’t a systematic program to expel the Jews by whatever means necessary is too blunt of an instrument to bypass this finely crafted dynamic.  I believe the guilt dynamic would be better bypassed not by niggling over the finer points of this or that camp, but by accepting the meta-truth of traditional cultural expulsion of Jews and why it consistently occurred, and the consequence of stopping it the way we did.  It’s about taking dominion of our history as a whole, controlling our past so that we may control the present and the future.  Denying the weight of the cross we bear with the Jews is a straw man.  And it bounces off the guilt dynamic like cotton balls off steel.
By Vud on 04-08-11 @ 12:54 pm
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Genseric :

No…It’s just that this is the 4th or 5th post on this specific subject…and nothing new added.

Look.  Given enough time the world will eventually be populated ONLY by olive-skinned humans with brown eyes and dark wavy hair.  By and large race shouldn’t be an issue then.

One difference, I guess:  Your ancestors will tend toward self-hate at that point ?
By Backpacker on 04-08-11 @ 12:56 pm
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By Mark W. on 04-08-11
“Saying there wasn’t a systematic program to expel the Jews by whatever means necessary… “

False. The Germans did not have any systematic program to expel the Jews by any means necessary. The Germans did not, in fact, ever resort to gassing a single Jew. While the Marxists Jews of the USSR did in fact gas Whites.


By Mark W. on 04-08-11
“Denying the weight of the cross we bear with the Jews is a straw man. And it bounces off the guilt dynamic like cotton balls off steel.”

We don’t bear any cross anymore. There is nothing to bounce off anything. Nothing to parlay. No guilt to convert from one defunct myth system to the next.


By Mark W. on 04-08-11
“I believe the guilt dynamic would be better bypassed not by niggling over the finer points of this or that camp, but by accepting the meta-truth”

The finer point is the core myth. Deny the core myth and it ceases to become a theology. By accepting the core myth but re-fashioning the dogma around it is similar to the shaping of various religious branches around a core religion, all to maintain control of that religion’s core myth. Repackaging a religion with a sect, like Protestants, or Calvinists, is a strategic maneuver in support of the main theology for a specific national demographic.

The Holocaust™ core myth is Jews suffered from Nazi atrociteis, which you promote. The fact is they suffered from Jew atrocities.

The greater truth is we Whites don’t have any guilt when a Jew named Morgenthau bombs Poland causing Ann Frank’s death from Typhus.
By Backpacker on 04-08-11 @ 1:06 pm
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By Mark W. on 04-08-11

“I don’t see how it’s conducive to good discussion to deny that the Nazis committed atrocities against the Jews. It is in fact, a fact.”

False.

The core of the Holocaust™ myth of White guilt is your false statment that Nazis committed atrocities against Jews.

The Nazis fed, housed and clothed Jews. The Allies bombed Jews alive and starved them, creating conditions in which Typhus spread.
By usupportgeNOcide? on 04-08-11 @ 1:31 pm
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By Vud on 04-08-11

Look.  Given enough time the world will eventually be populated ONLY by olive-skinned humans with brown eyes and dark wavy hair.  By and large race shouldn’t be an issue then.

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Apart from the fact that many white people today have that physical description you obviously “yawn” at white children getting demographically exterminated.

That`s very Politically Correct of you!

Of course Vlud neglects to mention that nobody is flooding Asian nations and ONLY Asian nations with non-Asians,nobody is flooding African nations and ONLY African nations with non-Africans.

Only white countries for this “olive-skinning” eh Vlud?

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
By Mark W. on 04-08-11 @ 1:31 pm
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Even Irving admits there was a plan. 

The only core myth being supported is that people all over the world haven’t consistently gotten fed up with the Jews.  If the Germans didn’t have a plan, they would be the first.  That’s not having much respect for the Germans.

Did some Jews fight with the Germans?  Of course.  Did Jews make blood sacrifice of their own for the sake of the establishment of Israel?  Of course. 

But if you’re fighting Bolshevism and trying to redeem your culture, naturally the first thing you’re going to go after is the subversive elements within your own country.  That’s going to be largely Jews.  It just is.  Just like if you’re fighting the Japanese, you might intern the Japanese.

Here’s a question for you.  If you succeed in convincing the world that throughout history cultures have not had an animosity for the Jews, and that nobody was ever responsible for doing anything bad to them, what do you do when Israel finally gets nuked?  You’re going to start playing the game all over again.  Because you’re constantly going to be behind the 8 ball, ten steps behind, playing catch-up.

I see you as promoting the bigger core myth—that the Germans had no right to retake their culture.  If you deny that Germans had a right to retake their culture, and so acted, you are in fact hindering the right of any people to retake their culture, and in fact guilt-tripping 2000 years of Western Civilization, which was all about constant active sifting of subversive elements.  It was about adults making decisions and living with those decisions.  Don’t take away from the Germans the responsibility of making their decisions.  It’s uncharitable.
By Mark W. on 04-08-11 @ 1:36 pm
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I used to think the way you do.

Eminent historian David Irving taught me otherwise:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFoFcikCi-o
By Heidi Duty on 04-08-11 @ 1:40 pm
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I am not a scholar.  Nor am a a White Nationalist, seeing as I have been kicked off several of their blogs and picked apart for not conforming to their ways. I am not interested in proving what a racist I am or am not.  Simply put, I am a Southerner, more properly, a Southron. I am an American.  I am a Mom.  I am a Grandmom, an Aunt, a sister, a neighbor and a friend.  April Gaede has been a friend to me, even when she did not agree with me.  This is the basis of enlightenment values, to defend free speech.  This is the year of the Civil War SesquiCentennial, which will be roundly celebrated by the remnant saints who care.  I am a proud member of the United Daughters of the Confederacy #885, Robert E. Lee Chapter in Seattle, and the Veterans of Foreign Wars #3067 in Deer Park, Washington.  Free speech is one thing Americans have fought to the death to defend.  I will not be in attendance to hear Mr. David Irving speak, but I support his right to peaceful assembly.  Seriously, if you don’t like Mr. Irving, do the same thing I do with the cable television service.  Simply ignore it forever.

Loyally I remain,

Mrs. John Morgan Duty II
Proud Great Great Granddaughter, Pvt. John James Rooks, 15th Cavalry, Company B, “Marianna Dragoons”, Chipley, Florida, Confederate States of America 1861-1865
By Backpacker on 04-08-11 @ 1:43 pm
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By Mark W. on 04-08-11

“Eminent historian David Irving taught me otherwise:”

David Irving has to accept part of the Jewish lie of the Holocaust™ as part of his plea deal to be released from Austrian prison. He is under legal contstraints.

Yet nowhere does he say 6 million Jews were gassed, as is Holocaust™orthodoxy.
By Backpacker on 04-08-11 @ 1:46 pm
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By Mark W. on 04-08-11

“Even Irving admits there was a plan. “

Before his Austrian prison term, he said no such thing. Even today Irving states that there was no such plan to gas 6 million Jews.
By Mark W. on 04-08-11 @ 1:53 pm
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Nobody is talking orthodoxy here. 

So Irving was lying when he said Eichmann’s papers revealed a plan?
By Backpacker on 04-08-11 @ 2:03 pm
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What’s uncharitable is your continuing insistence that Whites have hate, animosity, towards Jews.

By Mark W. on 04-08-11
“If you succeed in convincing the world that throughout history cultures have not had an animosity for the Jews, and that nobody was ever responsible for doing anything bad to them”

Spreading hate.

How is preventing Jews from corrupting a nation’s civil system a “bad” thing? You tend to harp on Whites having irrational animosity and hate towards Jews and White being responsible for bad things done against Jews.

By Mark W. on 04-08-11
“I see you as promoting the bigger core myth—that the Germans had no right to retake their culture.”

Continuing the Modus Operandi lie of the Hoax.

You are now saying that the Nazis had a right to Holocaust the Jews. The Nazis didn’t Holocaust the Jews. Allied bombing did. You are first stating that German atrocities existed, then saying they were justified. That is an antiquated old line.

By Mark W. on 04-08-11
“Don’t take away from the Germans the responsibility of making their decisions. “

Guilt based on false premise.

You place the familiar guilt on the Germans, saying they were responsible for something they didn’t do.


By Mark W. on 04-08-11
“If the Germans didn’t have a plan, they would be the first.”

Fictitious supposition.

The plan was not genocide. It was clear laws banning Jews from the legal practice. You are continuing to try to claim there was a “Nazi Plan to Genocide Jews”. In fact there was not. When England passed the legal decree to expel Jews from England, it was similar to the legal decree Germany passed to bar Jews from the legal profession. There have been no genocide decrees against Jews, yet Jews always claim it. That is dishonest on your part.
By Vud on 04-08-11 @ 2:05 pm
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usupportgeNOcide? !

” Only white countries for this “olive-skinning” eh Vlud? “


Uh - OK, sure.

Let’s think of someone from the past - someone who your children’s, children’s, children…  might resemble.

Oooh, how about… Christ.  There’s a pretty close description; olive-skinned, dark eyes, wavy brown hair.

See ?  Not so bad, Is it ?

Of course, it’s just too bad he hails from the Middle East - probably would have been referred to as Rag-Head or San-Digger by some of the more enlightened Christians here…

Ah well,  Keep the faith !
By Backpacker on 04-08-11 @ 2:09 pm
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By Mark W. on 04-08-11

“Nobody is talking orthodoxy here. “

Yes, you are talking orthododxy in alluding that the Nazi government, led by dictator Adolf Hitler, had an official plan signed by the ruler of the Nazis, Adolf Hitler.

By Mark W. on 04-08-11
“So Irving was lying when he said Eichmann’s papers revealed a plan?”

Eichmann didn’t rule the Nazi government, Hitler did. nobody is denying that an individual soldier on any side during WW II committed civilian atrocities, all did.

What you have to prove is that the Nazis, the Nazi government led by Adolf Hitler himself, had a plan. So far you haven’t proved that.
By usupportgeNOcide? on 04-08-11 @ 2:21 pm
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usupportgeNOcide? !

“ Only white countries for this “olive-skinning” eh Vlud? “


Uh - OK, sure.

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I`m glad you agree that white genocide is taking place.

If only all anti-whites could be as honest as you this global white genocide program might actually get shut down,eh?
By Mark W. on 04-08-11 @ 2:50 pm
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I did not mean to make the assertion that whites have continuing animosity towards Jews.  That is poorly phrased, you are correct.  I mean to say that other cultures believe differently than Jews, have a tendency to forget that, and when it blows up, it blows up.

You’re the one constantly saying genocide, genocide, genocide, Holocaust, Holocaust, Holocaust.  Holy cow, I think you’ve said that more than any other commenter.  Oy vey.

I say “plan” (Irving’s words) and you read into it every kind of crap you can possibly think of. 

You admit what the Germans did is no different than what any other culture has done in the past.  Congratulations.  I agree.  It was just a little bit smaller of a world this time, with a whole lot more going against them. 

I’m going to disengage now.  I can’t keep up.  I was arguing for the Germans and for Irving, perhaps somewhat clumsily.  Please forgive me that I didn’t say things right.  Hard to believe you all are not winning more acolytes, charming as you are.
By Red Green on 04-08-11 @ 3:10 pm
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Beacon….time to shut this one down.
By ToadFish2334324 on 04-08-11 @ 3:11 pm
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By GATEKEEPER on 04-08-11

“Looks like the whole cast from ‘Deliverance’ has invaded these boards! “

Oh stop! You are just saying that because we are white. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
By ToadFish2334324 on 04-08-11 @ 3:18 pm
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“Beacon….time to shut this one down.”

Why shut it down? Is it because the so called “anti-racists”, are outing themselves, as the anti-whites they have always been?

Truth is never a bad thing! Let it all out, anti-whites! smile


By Vud on 04-08-11
“Oooh, how about… Christ.  There’s a pretty close description; olive-skinned, dark eyes, wavy brown hair.”


No one is flooding the Middle East with Non Arabs and telling them…. “Jesus had olive skin” ….so we are going to create a blended humanity in ONLY the Middle East.

No one is flooding Japan with non -Japanese and telling them ...“Jesus had olive skin”….so we are going to create a blended humanity in ONLY Japan.

Only White countries are doing this and only Anti-Whites are pushing this…..it is GeNOcide.
By usupportgeNOcide? on 04-08-11 @ 4:03 pm
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By Red Green on 04-08-11

Beacon….time to shut this one down.

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Yes,white genocide is not a topic for polite(anti-white) society.

Why even bother providing any counter-arguments,just do what the 6million guardians do,reach for the censorship button.

So far unchallenged:

White genocide

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
By usupportgeNOcide? on 04-08-11 @ 4:15 pm
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Maybe if Saddam Hussein had just flooded the Kurdish villages with non-Kurds and ordered the Kurds to “assimilate” with the non-Kurds he could have waited a few decades,wiped out the Kurds as a racial group,and no one would have accused him of committing genocide?

I mean c,mon,it`s not like white children have been specially targeted worldwide for demographic elimination….err ...“Diversity”......whoops!

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
By bocephusj57 on 04-08-11 @ 4:30 pm
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What a pathetic bunch of wimpy white whiners.  You guys are bigger losers than the Nazis you try to apologize for.

The only thing y’all are good at is regurgitating your propaganda like a robin pukes up a worm to its babies.

The thing is, the robin’s efforts have value.
By bocephusj57 on 04-08-11 @ 4:32 pm
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I’ve got an idea.

Let’s all meet at April Gaede’s house and carpool from there.  Gas costing what it does these days and all.

Shouldn’t be that big a deal to buy tickets (and party favors) at the door, right?
By usupportgeNOcide? on 04-08-11 @ 4:49 pm
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By bocephusj57 on 04-08-11

What a pathetic bunch of wimpy white whiners.
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Of course you`d never call the 6million guardians “wimpy whiners” for constant wailing about their tribulations(while also lobbying for thought-crime legislation)?

You have not disputed:

White genocide

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
By Mark W. on 04-08-11 @ 4:52 pm
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Still unchallenged: Cutting and pasting of the Mantra is about as effective at winning hearts and minds as a preacher man shouting Bible verses at a potential new Christian. 

As I’m interested in the un-cloning of the Western mind, I was thinking about attending this event.  But now I know what Irving means when he says he wouldn’t want to visit a resurgent Nationalist Germany.  You’re worse thought police than those you purport to fight.  I was not previously aware of this. Y’all are your own worst enemies.  What a joke.  It’s too bad, because I think Irving deserves better.
By usupportgeNOcide? on 04-08-11 @ 5:02 pm
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By Mark W. on 04-08-11

Still unchallenged: Cutting and pasting of the Mantra is about as effective at winning hearts and minds as a preacher man shouting Bible verses at a potential new Christian. 

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It`s the total failure of the anti-whites to offer any logical counter-arguments to the Mantra that wins us the hearts and minds.

The “anti-racist” movement is the sick joke:at white children`s expense.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
By bocephusj57 on 04-08-11 @ 5:23 pm
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Crash-test dummies having higher functioning hearts and minds than anyone who believes what yall are spewing.

Supreme White is the name of a Duncan Hines cake mix.
By phil white on 04-08-11 @ 6:08 pm
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(1)  “The first casualty of war is the truth”  ancient Greek
(2) “History is written by the victors”
(3)  In 1954 our grade school teacher told of Germans made hand soap out of Jewish prisoners body fat.  (I actually bought that, hey I was only 12 years old.  Give a break for being gullible)
(4) I heard Mr. Irving speak in Seattle a couple of years back.
As I recall he said the Germans murdered about three million Jews in extermination camps, apparently mainly those who could not do slave labor.
Does that consist of Holocaust denial?
By Heidi Duty on 04-08-11 @ 6:11 pm
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“I am too pro-White to be anti-Semitic!” - Florida KKK Wisdom
By Mark Phillips on 04-08-11 @ 6:11 pm
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Those poor ######## that had to dig the mass graves after the Americans showed up in the camps would love a good laugh.
By ToadFish2334324 on 04-08-11 @ 6:37 pm
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“It`s the total failure of the anti-whites to offer any logical counter-arguments to the Mantra that wins us the hearts and minds.”

Its not arguments they can’t offer, its answers.

They can’t explain why they demand and justify a blended humanity, in >all< white countries and >only< white countries.

And yes, the >only< part means they do not demand and justify, when it comes to nations where the people are not white.

Proof:
Ask them to name a specific non-white country to do the same to and observe the silence and evasive answers that follow.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
By Mark Phillips on 04-08-11 @ 6:40 pm
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Proof is in the puddin’.
By Genseric on 04-08-11 @ 6:48 pm
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Vud wrote:


Given enough time the world will eventually be populated ONLY by olive-skinned humans with brown eyes and dark wavy hair.  By and large race shouldn’t be an issue then.


You are saying that there IS a RACE problem. So, you are saying that you agree that the genocide of the White race will solve the World’s RACE problem? Why do you hate Whites so much? What have they done to you that would warrant such a violent stance toward them? You are justifying genocide against European Americans and Whites in general.

Why are you so anti-White? Explain to us why you are pro-White genocide.
By Genseric on 04-08-11 @ 6:50 pm
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Vud wrote:

“Given enough time the world will eventually be populated ONLY by olive-skinned humans with brown eyes and dark wavy hair.  By and large race shouldn’t be an issue then.”

You are saying that there IS a RACE problem. So, you are saying that you agree that the genocide of the White race will solve the World’s RACE problem? Why do you hate Whites so much? What have they done to you that would warrant such a violent stance toward them? You are justifying genocide against European Americans and Whites in general.

Why are you so anti-White? Explain to us why you are pro-White genocide.
By Mark Phillips on 04-08-11 @ 7:03 pm
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Puddin’ comes in many colors and is always sweet. Race to the fridge and have a bowl (of puddin’ not weed smile) Only thing changing here is dessert coarse.
By Grey Owl on 04-08-11 @ 11:48 pm
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David Irving is already passe in the Holocaust denial movement.  In fact is likely he isn’t a denier at all.

This is the new Denial coming to Flathead soon
http://littlegreyrabbit.wordpress.com/2011/02/11/the-one-true-crematorium-at-birkenau/
By Backpacker on 04-09-11 @ 12:36 am
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By Mark W. on 04-08-11

“I mean to say that other cultures believe differently than Jews, have a tendency to forget that, and when it blows up, it blows up.”
No beliefs “blew up”. Britain declared war on Germany. Germany put Jews to work in oil refineries. US bombed those Auschwitz oil refineries. Tragedy, people died. That is war.

Nothing in terms of beliefs blew up. Jews were given room, board, shelter, food and even pay, for working in the synthetic oil refineries at Auschwitz. It was rather mundane work.

The Allies bombed the Jews working in the Auschwitz oil refineries and 50,000 Jews died in the inferno of the Allied bombing. But it had nothing to do with “hate blowing up” it had to do with strategic targets and Jews got in the way.

The entire myth of the Holohoax Shoah is that the Jews tried to make something meaningful and a guilty tool against Whites to better leverage the peacetime economy. When I asked you for proof that the Nazi government, i.e. Hitler, had made any written Plan to exterminate Jews, you backed out of the debate.

I look forward to discussing the Holohoax with you in person at David Irving’s symposium.
By righteous on 04-09-11 @ 5:25 am
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William Castle:The brownshirts in Nazigermany thrugh out the commies, who tried to disrupt the meetings, like they do today.
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By phil white on 04-09-11 @ 5:32 am
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The point is the “Holocaust” is used as propaganda to justify painting whites as evil and not having any rights to their own countries or even existence.
Did Germans kill Jews?  I’m sure.  Did they kill six million?
I’d guess half that.  Did they make hand soap out of Jews?
Even Debra Lippstadt admitted that was just false propaganda.
Ask yourself, if the Germans were so short of labor, and they were using Jews for slave labor why would they kill off the able bodied young Jews?
What about the train full of Hungarian Jews they tried to sell to the allies in a prisoner exchange for trucks?
Take a look at the Holocaust part of the documentary “World At War”.  They show a pile of emaciated male bodies piled against a fence. Notice their heads were all shaved.  You know why the Prussian Army introced buzz cuts for soldiers? to prevent lice and typhus.  So why were they shaving these mens heads? To prevent epidemics among their prisioners?  Seems likely to me.  Anne Frank and her sister were not gassed.  They died in a typhus empidemic.
Also in “World At War” they show a German civilian leading a horse carrying bodies to a pit.  A sign near it says “Typhus” waring people to stay away.
What about the fact even Hitler had one Jewish friend he helped to emigrate in the late 1930’s (Google Adolph Hitler and key word oncologist).  The man was Hitler’s mothers Jewish doctor.
I know it gives us a good feeling as Americans to think that our fathers and grandfathers “heroically fought against pure evil” but there is always evil on both sides and the Germans were not pure evil.
More importantly, Holocaust propaganda is no justification for my race, the white race, to be genocided.
Holocaust propaganda is used to try and justify mass third world immigration into every white country and ONLY into white countries.  It is a program of genocide.  You can’t justify genocide.
If I object to third world immigration into my country they say I’m a “NAZIWHOWANTSTOKILLSIXMILLIONJEWS”. 
Only whites are being shamed into bringing and end to their own existence by immigration and race mixing.
White children are projected to be a minority in this country their ancestors built by 2023.
Under the 1948 U.N. convention on genocide trying to bring and end to a group, or reducing the numbers of a group is genocide.
Anyone who advocates mass non-white immigration into white countries and only white countries is supporting a program of genocide.
They say they are anti-racist, but they are really just anti-white.
By Becket on 04-09-11 @ 6:51 am
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Sorry Kids My Best friends Dad Liberated Auchwitz. I saw the look in his eyes. He saw the look in those peoples eyes who had been tortured and starved and killed. He smelled the death.  His name was Col. Deak Reynolds U.S.Army.  And he came back later to Auchwitz to make sure his children saw it. So they would never let it happen again.
By Mark W. on 04-09-11 @ 8:41 am
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“When I asked you for proof that the Nazi government, i.e. Hitler, had made any written Plan to exterminate Jews, you backed out of the debate.”

I didn’t.  My proof was Irving’s statement that Eichmann’s papers “showed there was a plan.”  I linked to the video.  Irving also said there were “atrocities”.  Irving is a great historian of the facts on the ground in WW2.  Jews were interned.  They were seen as the “other”.  This you admit.  And yet you cannot accept the fact that there may have been atrocities committed by the Germans.  This is completely absurd.  It’s worse propaganda than the Holocaust.  Yeah, it’s war.  Stuff happens.  You seem to be saying that the Allies did bad stuff but the Germans did no bad stuff.  This is more ridiculous than Holocaust propaganda, and as I said before, bounces like cotton balls off carefully crafted guilt complex of the Western mind. 

I ask again, was Irving telling a lie when he said that Eichmann’s papers revealed a plan and that “atrocities” were committed against the Jews?  He sure looked sincere. 

You seem to skimming my posts and looking for “code words” people are supposed to use so that you’re comfortable they agree with you.  And if those “code words” are not used than they must believe in the Party Line.  But you’re as big a dupe as the rest are if you construct your entire thesis around refuting THEIR Party Line.  Because they set it up, and while you’re busy knocking it down, they’re setting up the next one.  You’ll always be behind them.  Totally ineffective.  If there’s a line of tanks and razor wire, maybe it might be best to go around them instead of attacking them head-on with a pistol and a pocket knife.
By abe1 on 04-09-11 @ 8:49 am
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6 million is peanuts. The Romans supposedly holocausted 7 billion.
By April on 04-09-11 @ 8:53 am
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Hey Becket, your “best friend’s dad” is a liar. Because Auschwitz was not liberated by the US, it was liberated by the Soviets,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp

“On January 27, 1945, Auschwitz was liberated by Soviet troops, a day commemorated around the world as International Holocaust Remembrance Day.”

In the future, a little Arbeit Macht Frei, or work to do a little research will make you free of ridicule and stupid statements. Now go home and quite trying to play with the grown ups on this board. And tell your friend that his dad is full of it, April Gaede said so.
By usupportgeNOcide? on 04-09-11 @ 8:57 am
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Let us imagine that Adolf Hitler had sent the jews to Madagascar,an idea which was actually considered.

Let us imagine he kept ww2 going for 50+ years during which he ordered the jews to “assimilate” with the Madagascons and outlawed all pro-jewish sentiments being expressed publicly.

That would not have been a genocide according to the anti-whites.

That is assuming(?) they don`t hold a very different standard for white people to the one they hold for jews/other “minorities”:

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
By Backpacker on 04-09-11 @ 9:53 am
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By Kokanee on 04-04-11

“...what we deemed on December 8th 1943 as threat to world peace and our own shores.

“When we liberated Europe from Hitlers foray for world dominance the stories spilled out of the atrocities inflicted on the Jews from our fathers, uncles,brothers and cousins.”


It was December 8th 1941, in reality, when the US declared war on Japan.

If your grasp of history is as wrong as your grasp of WW II, then what you say about the alleged Holocaust is faulty as well. I doubt you know anything about WW II.
By April on 04-09-11 @ 9:55 am
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Obviously there was some sort of “plan” for the Jews. Otherwise they would not have ended up in camps.

But if the notoriously efficient Germans planned to kill all Jews they messed up because, building hospitals for them ( like the one Anne Frank died in from Typhus) and bothering to build camps, ship them to camps, tattoo them for identification purposes and shave their heads to prevent lice would have been a pretty big waste of time and money just to kill them. If they intended to just kill them, they would have just shot them in the back of the head were they found them, the way the Soviets murdered people.

Also, has anyone mentioned the change of the numbers on the gates of Auschwitz yet? The ones where they reduced the number by 3 million on the sign? Still cant figure out how they can use the “6 million” figure if they now admit 3 million less people died in that camp than they previously claimed. Maybe Becket and his ” best friends dad” can shed some light on that fact.
By Backpacker on 04-09-11 @ 9:57 am
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By Becket on 04-09-11

“Sorry Kids My Best friends Dad Liberated Auchwitz. I saw the look in his eyes. He saw the look in those peoples eyes who had been tortured and starved and killed. He smelled the death. “
Sorry school kids, the Jewish Romantic Shoah fervour meets facts:

German archive records have documented only 150,000 German Jews who died while working in industrial factories and oil refineries associated with work camps.

“Germany Updates Official List of Jews Killed in Holocaust
2006-05-08 23:27:07
Xinhua

Germany on Monday published a new list of names of all the known German Jews murdered in the Holohoax in the Second World War as an update to a list with only victims from former West Germany published 20 years ago.

The four-volume book, containing 150,000 names in alphabetical order along with vital data and dates of detention, now includes the names of Jews who had lived in eastern Germany and parts of modern-day Poland which were controlled by Germany before the Second World War.”

en.chinabroadcast.cn/706/2006/05/08/198@86080.htm

150,000 names of German Jews only.

The 6,000,000 is a Hoax figure.
By Backpacker on 04-09-11 @ 10:39 am
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By Mark W. on 04-09-11
“‘When I asked you for proof that the Nazi government, i.e. Hitler, had made any written Plan to exterminate Jews, you backed out of the debate.’

I didn’t.”


You did.

By Mark W. on 04-08-11
“I’m going to disengage now. I can’t keep up.”

You said you were disengaging, but you were lying. I know Jews do that a lot.
By usupportgeNOcide? on 04-09-11 @ 10:54 am
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If we lay aside what else did or did not happen to jews during ww2 and ask ourselves:

“Did the Third Reich deprive jews of their racial identity which is classed as an act of genocide according to the 1948 genocide convention?”

Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;


The “Western” anti-white PC religion says that white people do “not need” a racial identity which can only be described as “mental harm” for those of my racial group who want to maintain our existence as a racial group.

Any deniers?

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
By Backpacker on 04-09-11 @ 10:57 am
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By Mark W. on 04-08-11

“The Germans were no different.  But they were surrounded on all sides.  By the time they had begun the process the Jews had already become too powerful. Things got way, way out of hand.”

You seem to be trying to make a special exception out of Germany as some sort of sacred miracle myth that can never be touched, debated, or argued about.

History shows Germany was not way out of hand. England expelled the Jews in 1290 and the Jews manipulated the surrounding nations of Scotland and France into the Auld Alliance in 1295 as revenge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auld_Alliance.

The terms of the treaty stipulated that if either country was attacked by England, the other country would invade English territory.
By Backpacker on 04-09-11 @ 11:07 am
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By Mark W. on 04-09-11
“And yet you cannot accept the fact that there may have been atrocities committed by the Germans. It’s worse propaganda than the Holocaust.  You seem to be saying that the Allies did bad stuff but the Germans did no bad stuff.  This is more ridiculous than Holocaust propaganda, and as I said before, bounces like cotton balls off carefully crafted guilt complex of the Western mind. “

You are not being truthful, my post stated the facts:

By Backpacker on 04-08-11
“...nobody is denying that an individual soldier on any side during WW II committed civilian atrocities, all did.”


What you are doing is trying to blame the German people with your use of the word “Germans”, whereas I use the word “soldier”. You keep trying to associate the word atrocity with German people with “Holocaust” which is really Holohoax or Holocaust™

I say soldier, you say German people. I say rational laws, you say animosity. I say normal, you say exceptional. I say no Nazi government plan, you say ‘plan’. I post facts, you write about ‘cotton balls’.

Jews continue to try to blame German people or any White people who have racial pride.
By hollingsworth on 04-09-11 @ 11:12 am
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To April, Mark W. , phil white and others of like mind:
Notice that when you, April, nail beckett over his phony tale of his “best friend’s dad” liberating Auschwitz, that rather than an apology for this obvious prevarication, becket just heads for the hills as have the other liars like gatekeeper.  They just disappear poof!  Good work you guys.  A ten year old school boy, (not educated in the publice schools, of course,) should know that the Americans never entered Poland.  They met the Soviet army at the River Elbe.
By Backpacker on 04-09-11 @ 11:26 am
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By Mark W. on 04-04-11

“Indeed, ignoring him would be the classy thing to do. “

That is the ADL line. Along with arguing endlessly that the Germans committed atrocities against Jews and had a ‘plan’.

You just can’t deal with the fact Auschwitz had important synthetic oil refineries in which the Auschwitz Jews worked and which were bombed.

M# 167 Osweicim,Poland O-R(Oil Refinery) 12/18/1944

Mission No. 167 to Osweicim, Poland was another very long combat mission for 756, 757, 758 & 759 Bomb Squadrons of the 459 B G to drop their bombs on this important German run Oil Refinery.

http://www.459bg.org/Mission.cfm?MID=496

“George McGovern, a former U.S. senator and the 1972 Democratic nominee for president actually bombed Jews at Auschwitz oil refineries. December 26, 1944, with his 455th Bomb Group.”

“In the summer and fall of 1944, the Allies repeatedly bombed the oil refineries at Auschwitz.”[1]

[1]
http://judaism.about.com/od/holocaust/a/aush_nobomb.htm

List of US Bomb Groups which bombed the Auschwitz Jews working in the Auschwitz oil refineries.

455th Bomb Group
456th Bomb Group
459th Bomb Group

Even Democraic presidential candidate George McGovern bombed Jews at Auschwitz’s oil refineries.

“New Evidence Concerning the Allies and Auschwitz “
US bombings of synthetic oil refineries at Auschwitz.

Rafael Medoff
www.muse.jhu.edu/journals/american_jewish_history

Yet despite the facts of WW II, the ADL keeps trying to say that “German animosity and hatred of Jews caused the deaths of 6 million Jews in the Holocaust”. The facts show the Jews at Auschwitz were bombed to death, just like many other civilian casualties of US bombing of German population centers and industry.

Basically the Jews are trying to turn war casualties into a sacred religion to have people worship.
By April on 04-09-11 @ 11:30 am
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Yes Hollingsworth, I did notice this. I have seen it time and time again. They either run, or change the subject or call more names. They cannot debate. And I am just a housewife with a high school diploma, imagine what would happen if they had to debate actual scholars.

That was why homosexual “minister” Darryl Kister chose to stand on the street with a bullhorn yelling our slogans like Lenin rather than come into the library and actually discuss or debate the films Karl Gharst and Craig Cobb were showing. He preferred to lie about the topic to his sheeplike followers and then later make some lame ### comment to the local media about how he wanted to ” have a dialogue”. Well I can tell him where he can stick his dialogue.

I wonder where Kalispell Native is? I miss him. And he still refuses to meet me for a cup of coffee…Chicken??
By April on 04-09-11 @ 11:37 am
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NO moosemanure, Today in Germany anyone who questions the “official” holocaust story is “disappeared or jailed and their property seized.” That is the state of a present day ” democratic” society where you can be incarcerated for just questioning certain aspects of a certain parts of a historical “event”.

The old folks in Germany whom I spoke to don’t apologize, but then again I suspect we travel in different social circles of Germans. The ones I spoke to still talk with great affection of the Third Reich, participating in the youth groups and the valor of the German soldiers. Are you aware of the amount of reeducation that the Germans were forced to undergo after WWII? The Holocaust indoctrination that the local school kids get here is nothing compared to the level of it the poor Germans get.
By Backpacker on 04-09-11 @ 11:39 am
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By mooseberryinn on 04-09-11

“Wow - some strange stuff - Hitler needed a scapegoat for Germany’s economic troubles, so he blamed the “rich” jews for their successful businesses and wealth.  “

Bernie Madoff was successful? Jews commit untold commercial fraud in society. The biggest economic crook in U.S. history is the Jew Bernie Madoff.

Stop trying to portray economic theft as success. It is not.

England expelled the Jews in 1290 AD because the Madoff Jews of that era were clipping coins, cutting off bits of the gold and silver from coins. The Jews have been expelled from every continent except Australia. Anti-Jew sentiment didn’t start with Hitler.

The Greeks in 169 BC went in and destroyed the synagogues, probably because of the Madoffs of that era.
By Backpacker on 04-09-11 @ 11:49 am
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By Mark W. on 04-04-11

“Please Kalispell, be respectful and ignore.”

I think every school kid in Kalispell needs to pay attention and consider what David Irving has to say. Ignorance is not what White Children need. They need the truth, which is the Holocaust™ didn’t occur.

We need to teach our White Children the truth so they grow up with strong minds.
By Mark W. on 04-09-11 @ 12:10 pm
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“You seem to be trying to make a special exception out of Germany as some sort of sacred miracle myth that can never be touched, debated, or argued about.”

I am doing no such thing.  In fact I have repeatedly said that what happened in Germany is no different than what has happened throughout history, except in terms of scale.  More people, better weapons, different scale. 

What I am saying is that you will never, ever ever never take the Holocaust away from the Jews.  Ever.  The goal is to separate it from Western history so that we are not controlled by it.  I think the research is very important, and the facts are also important.  But the main thrust I get from your argument is that Jews don’t have a valid grievance about the failure of host cultures to maintain their demeanor in the face of deteriorating conditions that are, in fact, the failure of the host culture, not the failure of Jews.  Who will always and everywhere, be Jews.

The reason free inquiry into WW2 is outlawed isn’t because someone might find out there were only 2 million or 1 million or whatever number of Jewish victims who died from whatever cause.  Heck, the numbers have been drastically reduced over the years.  It hasn’t changed a thing.  It’s still 6 million, and it’s still our fault.  You don’t get yourself out of a cage by counting the bars.  At least not by my account.

Anyway, you’ve made some valid points that will take me some time to digest.  It’s unfortunate my biggest detractor had to come from the side I was supporting, but in many ways that really is the heart of the problem, isn’t it?
By hollingsworth on 04-09-11 @ 12:30 pm
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Apparently the Flathead Beacon is not owned and managed by Jews.  Most media outlets with any kind of cirulation are.  In the letters section of our lown local paper, you’d read all the rubbish from the likes of gatekeeprer and moosewhatever, but letters with real content from people like of april, Mark W. and backpacker, are quickly dumped into the circular file.  But believe me, the usual suspects will eventually make a move on the FB.
By April on 04-09-11 @ 12:36 pm
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If anything the discussion/debate between Mark and Backpacker shows that there are a variety of questions, answers and ideas about the topic. One more reason why the mere discussion of the topic should not be verboten and should be welcomed.

I would like to official invite any and all local history teachers or professors to come to the event, as well as other teachers who feel that the “holocaust” must be hammered into the minds of all local schoolchildren.
By Backpacker on 04-09-11 @ 12:37 pm
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By Mark W. on 04-09-11

“What I am saying is that you will never, ever ever never take the Holocaust away from the Jews.”

That bespeaks of a Jewish extremist emotional belief-attachment you have.

Jews have already eschewed the Holocaust™, just see Norman Finkelstein or Israel Shamir.

“Who Needs Holocaust?
By Israel Shamir”
http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Who_Needs.htm.

“Op-Ed: Holocaust denial comes to Stanford”
“Finkelstein’s brand of Holocaust denial is all the more pernicious”
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/cooky-the-clown-uncovers-holocaust-denial/.

Elite Jews, such as Morgenthau, killed Ann Frank, as a sacrifice to build a new guilt religion for Europe and Whites.

Intellectual Jews have already thrown away the utter myth of the Hoax and see it for the industrial theological myth fabrication it is.
By Web Master on 04-09-11 @ 1:35 pm
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