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Comments on: Ron Paul Will be on Presidential Ballot
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By Bill on 09-08-08
Punish the Republicans—vote for Ron Paul!
By Roark on 09-08-08
This move was idiotic. Paul has officially ended his campaign for the Presidency and is instead focusing on his House race! Symbolic gestures are meaningless if a candidate has no interest in furthering his Presidential goal. The MT Constitution Party should have put Chuck Baldwin on the ballot instead. Bob Barr you have my vote!
By Darryl Schmitz on 09-08-08
Just as McCain’s choice of Palin didn’t seem to make sense at first and we now see why he chose her, so it is that an effot is being made by third party candidates to field viable leaders, not just ideological placeholders. The idea is to give the American voters achoice of some quality candidates in November, not just two nominees from the parties that gave us the back-breaking 10 trillion dollar national debt.
By Allen on 09-08-08
It’s amazing that the Constitution party is supporting a Libertarian rather then their nominee Chuck Baldwin. For this to happen the state had to forgo the rule of law.
By RON PAUL 2008!!! on 09-08-08
VOTE RON PAUL!! Right on BIl. I am voting for Ron Paul. The republicans just lost about 20% of the republican voters. Not one person spoke on McCains behalf during the Montana Caucus here in Kalispell. McCain recieved less than 2% of the flathead valley vote during that caucus. Ron Paul will sweep this valley. Just look around for Ron Paul stickers and compare to the number of McCain stickers. Punish the ignorant and blind old guard GOP…...VOTE RON PAUL. Who cares if it gives the vote to Obama. Remember what Ron Paul said and what we have all learned, “There is NO difference between McCain and Obama.“ (In regards to major policies). I will not go into that issue here. Wooo hooo!
By Carl on 09-08-08
Y’all calm down now. Yer disturbin’ the other patients.
By Jomel on 09-08-08
Good for you Montana! I hope Georgia does the same.
Restore the Republic.
Restore the Constitution.
RON PAUL 2008
By DocR on 09-09-08
I do not agree with any attempt to split a ballot ....BUT..I do not agree with the GOP in forcing more of the same down our throats.
In 1988 McCain was quoted as saying “ Dr. Paul is the most Honest Man in Congress.“
That’s an endorsement from another of the candidates…
I’m voting for Honesty….
By Citizen on 09-09-08
Morally, I am obligated to vote for Ron Paul. Ethically I am obligated to vote for Ron Paul. For every reason I can think of, on every issue of importance to me I am obligated to vote Ron Paul. Thanks Dan for this article, and thank you Montana for putting Ron Paul on the ballot so that democracy can function, and my voice and vote can be heard! RON PAUL 2008!
By Roark on 09-09-08
The whole irony of this mis-calculated move is that Ron Paul himself is a BIG supporter of Chuck Bladwin and may even endorse Baldwin as President! Again I ask; why OH WHY did the MT Const. Party put Ron Paul on the ballot when he has clearly stated both in word and in deed, that he is no longer running as a candidate for Pres.!?!? The MT Const. Party would have been wise to endorse their current ACTIVE nominee, Chuck Baldwin.
By JB on 09-09-08
I don’t know who Chuck Baldwin is…but I do know who Ron Paul is. It may be meaningless to give my vote to Ron Paul, but it is DEFINETELY LUNACY to give it to EITHER McCain or, even worse, Obama. Ron Paul has my vote in any event. Voting for Paul may be meaningless, but it is MY vote to give.
By SteveMT on 09-09-08
Take a hard look at both the major candidates. They leave much to be desired. Then get on the internet and find out about Ron Paul. Dr. Paul believes in and supports the Constitution. He has a 20-year voting record consistent with everything he says. When I think about Montana, I think about freedom. When I think about Ron Paul, I also think of freedom. A vote for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. Vote for Ron Paul.
By Roark on 09-09-08
JB and SteveMT, You are of course aware that Ron Paul is not running for President any longer. What is the point of having a candidate on the ballot if they are not seeking the office. You might as well put George Washington on the ballot. Being objective and reality oriented is more important than being symbolic, especially when matters of potential consequences are concerned.
By Robin B. on 09-09-08
The point is giving people options besides voting for a Republicrat! The educated public is not going to put up w/ it anymore. Wish I could vote for him here in CT. Granted, RP did officially drop out of the race but only because the Establishment and MSM ridiculed him and shut him out. Of course he would accept the role of POTUS if people would wake up and vote for him. Wish he was the Libertarian candidate though rather than Constitutionalist. While the Constitution party gets it mostly right, I find the way they wear their religion on their sleeve a turn-off.
By SteveMT on 09-10-08
Thank you Robin B. , JB and the others for your comments.
To Roark:
The point is to sent a message, an important message to Washington. The 2-party system has caused a huge undermining of our Constitution. There are no differences between the major party candidates. The special interests run this country, not the people. If a 3rd party candidate were to win in any state, those electoral college votes could determine the outcome of the election. The country is going bankrupt due to BIG government..have you checked the stock market and the bankrupt mortgage companies lately? Are Obama and McCain speaking about anything relevant concerning the protecting and supporting of the Constitution? Are those enough reasons for you?
Peace.
By Obama Backer on 09-11-08
Thank you. Thank you. A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Barack Obama. Barack will definitely carry Montana if 20,000+ of your kind folks vote for Ron Paul. Thank you again.
By JB on 09-11-08
At least Obama won’t get those 20000+ votes. The same could be said for McCain. The McCain backer should be thanking us too.
By JB on 09-11-08
Roark. you are of course aware that Ron Paul was placed on the Presidential ballot in Montana by a representative of the Montana Constitution Party. Even though RP has stated publicly he is no longer seeking the office, do you really think that he would decline to accept if by some miracle he was elected President? Of course not. He didn’t state that he did not want to be placed on the ballot.
I am happy that we agree that our current government is a shambles, and is a point of shame for all Americans, and that something needs to be done about it. I am also happy that we still have the freedom to disagree with each other over what action needs to be taken. If I am labeled “unrealistic” for my political views, then so be it - but it is my view.
By Roark on 09-11-08
Bob Barr has just asked Ron Paul to be his VP running mate
http://campaign.blog.bobbarr2008.com/2008/09/10/bob-barr-shows-leadership-to-unify-liberty-movement/
By John on 09-11-08
I’m voting for Ron Paul because he is right for Montana, and the nation. Let the chips fall where they will, voting for Paul is much more important than this election cycle alone.
By Roark on 09-11-08
But voting for Paul when he is NOT a candidate is wasting a vote, because…well…HE’S NOT A CANDIDATE. You might as well a)not vote, or b) vote for mickey mouse.
By Citizen on 09-11-08
Roark, lets put this issue to rest. We all agree that A.) McCain is a social liberal, pro-war, wants to tax health benefits, pro-big government, neo-conservative that wants more war, caters to the elites and cares less for the average working class or our rights. And B.) Barack is a socialist, pro-big government, pro-war, pro-invading Pakistan and Iran, supported by the Israel Lobby (as well as McCain), wants to raise taxes, etc etc. THEY BOTH SUCK. THis is the problem. America needs to vote 3rd party and let the elites and party rulers know enough it enough. Vote for libertarians or constitution. JUST DON’T VOTE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT. It is that easy. That is democracy. No moron will ever talk me into voting their way by telling me I am throwing my vote away. I vote my voice and my voice only. There you go. McCain or Obama? Thats like asking me if I want herpes or gonorhea!
By Robin B. on 09-11-08
Yahoo! You go “Citizen!“
I just don’t get that mentality, voting for the lesser of two evils. When we are offered third party candidate options, why the hell would anyone vote Rep. or Dem. - unless you love big government, wars and a worthless falling dollar!!
The latest news is Barr has asked RP to be his VP running mate - how awesome would that be?!
By Citizen on 09-12-08
I will never vote Republican or Democrat. Both parties have controlled this government the past 100 years and look at where we are. The past 8 years have been dominated by republicans and we could not be worse off I think. Democrats controlled congress this past 2 years and literally did nothing to correct the destruction caused by the republicans. Screw both of them. VOTE 3rd party and tell the other 2 off for good.
P.S. thanks for the kudo Robin. Hey go check out the discussion over in comments about the City Budget. It is a good one as well.
By SteveMT on 09-12-08
Amen to that Citizen!
The 2-party sysytem has wrecked this country. They have put party first, not America.
We get what we deserve for letting them get away with that crap for all of these years.
By --dhc-- on 09-12-08
The only way to throw away your vote is to neglect to cast it. Whether you vote for a likely candidate, an unlikely candidate, or a candidate that doesn’t even want to be a candidate, you are sending a message, and that message is the important thing.
For a long time, I was partially swayed by the “but you’re helping the other guy win!“ argument. But it is truer now than it ever has been (except perhaps when the choices were Bush and Kerry) that there is no real difference between the two major party candidates in the way this country will be run. A vote for either of them is a vote for more of [approximately] the same. A vote for anyone else, no matter the likelihood they’ll win, is a vote for real and meaningful change, at the very least in the election process itself.
The thing is, it has to start somewhere. This year, perhaps 3rd-party candidates will get 15% of the vote (a lofty goal). Maybe next cycle, that will encourage another 10% to vote for who they really want instead of the lesser of two evils. Every time one of us steps up and votes our conscience, we indeed run the risk of casting a vote for a hopeless candidate, but we also run the risk of encouraging two others to do the same next time around. The more of us that are willing to ‘waste’ our votes, the more possible it seems that a 3rd-party candidate can have a chance, and therefore the more possible it is that he actually has a chance.
In essence, advocating this “vote for one of the two bozos or you’ll waste it” stance is much like advocating not voting because one vote can never make a difference.
Elections don’t work unless the people believe that their votes matter and so go to the trouble of casting them. In the same way, 3rd party candidates will never be viable unless the people believe that they can be. Beautifully, though, and maddeningly, that is all it will take.
By Roark on 09-13-08
BALDWIN ‘08
By SteveMT on 09-15-08
Any third candidate vote cast sends a powerful message and that works for me.
By Morgan on 09-26-08
the law? the law.. the only law of this land is the constitution. everything should be stemming from the constitution. and who gave the const. power? WE DID. “WE THE PEOPLE”. The supreme court was creatied by the fed. the fed was created out of the const….so how does the supreme court decide to interprete the const? hmmm.. circular logic? Do some real studying instead of just listening to your friends and CNN or FOX or whatever b.s. is spoon fed to you. Dig on it!
Don’t take something just for word! How many people think the Dec. of Indepence was signed on 1776? That’s what we’re taught in school right. WRONG.. look it up.. It took a long time for that thing to be signed.. and keep in mind.. they had to run and hide as they signed it. Pluto a planet right? WRONG..we were all taught that in highschool. Turned out to be wrong.
As far as being meaningless…pff..meaningless to vote for the one you want? You’re going to vote for someone just because you think they’ll win? That’s lunacy..
Why don’t you look this up…
What if they gave you a Choice of 3 things w/ percentages. You can vote for the electric chair (and you have 50% chances), you have gas chamber (w/ 45%) but then there’s escape (w/ 5%).. what are you going to vote for?
All of you who haven’t read the constitution..stop talking. Because the people that are making the rules… they have read it.. many many times and twist words to get their result (for good or bad).
Here’s a better question. You believe in Democracy? Why?
Do we have a Democracy? ..hmm.. You probably said yes to both of those…very quickly. Sounds good. People say good stuff about it all the time..
Well incase you haven’t noticed we life in a REPUBLIC. Look up the definition.
Think your vote matters? No… and thank god.
You vote for a represenative and then we have electors.
Your reps and electors try to get a feel for the country w/ your ballots and hopefully by paying attention.. And they vote accordingly. Just like in smaller gov. like cities and states. You elect mayors, gov’s, etc.. and hope they do something to fix up your city and area. Did you vote for that school to be built? Post Office? That new freeway? No…..
And that’s a republic. NOT to be confused w/ or associated w/ republicans.
Get your facts straight..Dig deep. Everyone lies. Everyone has their own agenda. When you’re a little kid and with and even younger sibling.. it was pretty easy for you to grasp the concept that.. if you went on about how cool your toy was.. you know you can make your sibling jealous.. and trade for their toy.. which is probably a lot better… Kids understand manipulation. Your gov., all branches..and upper elite.. are mere men. They have their own lives. Remember that before following something blindly.
Don’t grab onto conspiracy theorys cause they sound cool.. Or they throw in a few facts that turn out to be true.. on that same coin.. don’t believe your gov, pres or whoever.. b/c they say “look, things are bad but they’ll get better”. Some of the people in the highest of postitions have done dumb ****. Don’t just assume they’re smarter than you.
I part w/ this.. remember that Hitler was elected.. w/ 98% of the vote. Look how that turned out.
By Carl on 09-26-08
Well said. [or written]. Read/Watch the “news” with a healthy sense of suspicion. Consider courses of action with due evaluation. And - I like the last line. Good warning.
By Allen on 09-27-08
Ron Paul was the Libertarian Party nominee in 1988 and wasn’t a member of Congress at that time, so how can McCain make comments relating to Paul in 1988. Paul visited the state several times in 1988. While it’s good to see people supporting a Libertarian, Paul has said he does not want to be on the Montana ballot.