By Craig moore on 03-07-10
Politifact had this to say on Obama’s full flop lie: http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/mar/05/barack-obama/obama-hypocrite-reconciliation/
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“I think it is legitimate at this point for me to explain very clearly to the American people why I think I will be a better president than Hillary Clinton, and to draw contrasts,” Obama said.
“But that’s very different from this sort of slash-and-burn politics that I think we’ve become accustomed to. Look, part of the reason I’m running is not just to be president, it’s to get things done. And what I believe that means is we’ve got to break out of what I call, sort of, the 50-plus-one pattern of presidential politics. Which is, you have nasty primaries where everybody’s disheartened. Then you divide the country 45 percent on one side, 45 percent on the other, 10 percent in the middle—all of them apparently live in Florida and Ohio—and battle it out. And maybe you eke out a victory of 50-plus-one, but you can’t govern. I mean, you get Air Force One, there are a lot of nice perks to being president, but you can’t deliver on health care. We’re not going to pass universal health care with a 50-plus-one strategy. We’re not going to have a serious bold energy policy of the sort I proposed yesterday unless you build a working majority. And part of the task of building that working majority is to get people to believe in our government, that it can work, that it’s based on common sense, that it’s not just sort of scoring political points.
The interviewer then asked, “So is your answer to ‘Why I will be a better president than Hillary Clinton,’ is your answer that she’ll be a 50-plus-one president and you won’t?”
“Yes,” Obama said.
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By mitch on 03-07-10
whodathunk a year ago that the GnoP was going to turn into such unresponsive lumps of clay? I would have thought better of them. Actually, I kind of lost interest in the article Craig, when it mentioned Rush, Hannity and Glen Beck.
By Craig moore on 03-07-10
mitch when you spoon up your nonsense you add a warning like: http://games.gearlive.com/blogimages/head_asplode.jpg
By mitch on 03-07-10
kind of a ridiculous answer to a post I thought you’d had some interest in. Oh well, whatever turns your crank. Actually I didn’t do the spoonin, when you bring those 3 in, well, hard to take you seriously.
By Craig moore on 03-07-10
Mitch, read Politifact. It is linked by many lefty sites.
By hammer on 03-08-10
Mitch, you sound just like Kal Native. You can back this president right down the gutter, that’s where he and this liberal congress is taking this country..
By MontanaTrace on 03-08-10
Let me get this straight…...we’re trying to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a president that also hasn’t read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that’s broke.
What could possibly go wrong????
By Native on 03-08-10
Craig - Obama spent a year trying to avoid this type of legislation. Yes, you could turn it around and say he is a hypocrit but I’m glad he is because his efforts to comprimise and reach across the isle has blown up in his face. You guys call him a lier because he hasn’t come through on his promises but he can’t come through because there are so many republicans actually trying to make things worse for us so they can blame him for the country going down the toilet.
By Native on 03-08-10
You want to talk about hypocricy. John McCain is leading the republican charge saying the reconciliation is the wrong way to go and is against using it to change medicare spending. The funny thing is he voted for this exact same thing 9 out of 13 times it has come up. So he is litteraly proposing legislation to outlaw something that he has done 9 times.
By Native on 03-08-10
Good to see Sarah Palin’s family used to cross the border into Canada to recieve health care through their single payer system because they couldn’t get the care they needed in Alaska. This is the second time she has shown the world that what is good for her family is somehow wrong for everybody else. Obama is evil for trying to get everybody in America the same health services her family enjoys. Stupid Socialist who wants to make America better!
By Craig moore on 03-08-10
Not only do we have Obama’s lie, now we have this sordid mess: http://www.rollcall.com/media/43921-1.html
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Rep. Eric Massa (D-N.Y.) suggested on a New York radio station Sunday that he could rescind his resignation — scheduled to take effect at 5 p.m. Monday — after asserting that an ethics investigation into allegations that he sexually harassed one of his aides may have been orchestrated by Democratic leaders to get him out of office before the health care vote.
Responding to a caller to his weekly radio show on WKPQ Power 105 FM, a recording of which was made available via the Web site of local station 13 WHAM-TV, Massa said: “I’m not going to be a Congressman as of 5 o’clock [Monday] afternoon. The only way to stop that is for me to rescind my resignation. That’s the only way to stop it. And the only way that’s going to happen is if this becomes a national story.”
During the hour-and-a-half show, Massa said that Democratic leaders are using the House ethics committee to get him out of office before the vote on health care because he voted against the House health care bill last fall.
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By Roark on 03-08-10
Either man has a right to his own health decisions OR the government controls it. Since government is an institution of force, I prefer having my health decisions in my own hands and not of a beaurcrat in D.C. Obama has become a national emberrasment fo the USA - a leftist ideaologue who ascribes and has organized collectivist events. How does a nation go from Washington to Obama?- rational thinking dwindles to mere emtional reactionism.
By MontanaTrace on 03-08-10
Palin lived in a remote area of Alaska. The nearest town with any medical services was Whitehorse, CA. Some health care is better than none. There was no other choice. Most of us have a choice. What will your choice be?
By Kalispell Native on 03-08-10
And Hoyer pushes back.
http://www.rollcall.com/news/43928-1.html
Massa has become completely unhinged. It’s so bad he’s gonna do Glenn ‘feckless’ Beck’s Hour of Inanity tomorrow.
By Native on 03-08-10
Roark, tell me exactly how your health care will change if the reform happens. What decisions will the government be making for you? I’m not being sarcastic, I would really like you to tell me. Make sure you cite your references.
By Craig moore on 03-08-10
Dan Rather captures the essence of Obama’s leadership on health care: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD9uG-ManrY&feature=player_embedded
By Kalispell Native on 03-08-10
Craig: Glad to know you support Rather’s not-so-subtle racism. It says a lot about you.
By Craig moore on 03-08-10
Kal Native, you must be desperate to deflect in such an ugly way. It says a lot about you! The polls show Obama can’t sell HIS plan. Rather states the obvious. Remember, Rather is from Texas. His choice of fruit reflects his home state heritage.
By hammer on 03-08-10
Check this out. Washington DC is messed up.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/03/08/massa_rahm_emanuel_would_sell_his_own_mother_for_votes.html
By JB on 03-08-10
@hammer: Well, it was enough about Emanuel showing poor selective judgement with the “f***ing retarded” comment, but now that clinches it with Massa. Emanuel is beneath contempt. He should resign.
By MontanaTrace on 03-09-10
Remember the movie Dave? The character, Bob Alexander, is Rahm Emanuel.
By hammer on 03-09-10
It is so amazing but not surprising how the liberals like Kal Native resort to racism. It is such a cop out. Native has tried it too. It’s the socialized policies that I am against. Liberals live with so much of a double standard. Look at the comments about wishing Glenn Beck was dead by the liberal media. What if Fox was to say the same things, Native and Kal Native would be raising heck about it. How pathetic.
By hammer on 03-09-10
Not according to liberals such as Kal Native and Native, Mitch and more. Sean Penn is probably their favorite actor of all times. Alright Spicoli.
By Kalispell Native on 03-09-10
hammer: Ya mean like this garbage from FAUX?
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=1583
By Kalispell Native on 03-09-10
Craig: Quit whining, it’s undiginified. And quit hiding behind Rather, it’s unmanly.
By Craig moore on 03-09-10
Kal Native, I don’t hide. I use my real name, unlike you., coward! I’ll leave the whining to you. By the way you can stuff your Alinsky tactics, they don’t work with me.
This topic is about health care and the political gymnastics. As pointed out by Politifact, Obama is a full blown lying hypocrite. As Rather observes, Obama can’t sell it. As Pollster shows people aren’t buying it. http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-presobama-health.php
Care to get back on topic, or are you just going to play silly buggers with a bunch of nonsense?
By Native on 03-09-10
Craig - so if Dan Rather says it then it must be fact? And a poll is infallable? I remember watching Fox News during the campaign and Obama was leading all the polls and the Anchors kept saying that poll’s don’t really mean anything. Now they can’t get enough of any poll that backs up their narrative.
All these talking points and commentary is getting so old. Folks that are pushing reform keep pointing to facts & numbers about our current system and why it needs to change and opposition simply uses sensationalized commentary and scary buzz words to scare everyone about the unknown. No meat to the arguement. No real statistics. No concrete evidence.
By Yudamni on 03-09-10
The Democratic Leadership of our Country does not have a clue how to fix health care or the economy. There is little hope they will learn from the mistakes they are now making. They are so arrogant and stubborn that they will not listen to the voice of America.
By Craig moore on 03-09-10
Native, Pollster is not just a poll. It is a composite of various polls. Follow the link and see all of the different sources. Rather’s statement doesn’t make it true, it is merely verbalizing the obvious given the current state of affairs and Obama’s sales failures including the Olympics for Chicago and various political candidates. In my opinion, people want reform, just not this mess.
By Native on 03-09-10
Hammer - when are you actually going to say something in regards to the argument. How does saying “socialism” over and over and over and over and over and over and over again mean anything at all? By your definition of it, every president since the great depression is a socialist. Welfare was alive & well under Reagan so I expect you were screaming socialist back than right? If you are going to call people names at least explain why.
By Native on 03-09-10
I’m not saying pollster is wrong or inaccurate. I’m just tired of everyone using polls conveniently to argue their point. There are thousands of polls out there so anyone at anytime could find a poll somewhere that would back up their opinion. What I get tired of is maybe you get a poll that says 51% feel this way and someone will use that to make the statement “this is how America feels”. Implying that 49% of the people are not part of how Americans feel.
By Native on 03-09-10
Yud - they don’t have a clue how to fix it? So what should they do? You sound like you must know a better way.
By hammer on 03-09-10
You can justify and claim that we already have a socialized system. That means the govt handling things besides protecting us and building infrastructure(highways). Look, people are still not getting paid for unemployement. GOvt Program. USPS, GOvt program. Medicaire, Medicaid Govt Program. Social Security GOvt Program.. Batting a zero. A big Fat Zero, and you want them to have more. How Pathetic. Keep on asking for sources for fact, keep on ignoring the reality this is socialism and you can’t take it.
By hammer on 03-09-10
How about cash for clunkers? Why do Native, dsrobins, mitch, kn have so much faith in the govt? There is no reason to have any trust in what they do in DC
By hammer on 03-09-10
Native, you ignore the reality. Do you know what Scott Brown campaigned and won on. Start over on the health care reform. That is reality and you want more proof. Man, Mike Savage was so darn right when it comes to liberals.
By Craig moore on 03-09-10
Native, Pollster doesn’t do that.
By Native on 03-09-10
Hammer - I really wish you would stop assuming that because I’m for health care reform I automatically align with your preconcieved notion that I endorse and trust all government and all democrats and all liberals. We could have a really good debate if you would just drop all your assumptions that this one issue makes me a flaming, godless, anti-free market socialist.
All of those programs you listed above prove the whole point of reform. They are government systems that need reform or elimination, just all of them for different reasons. It blows my mind how closly you follow the rantings of the Fox guys & Rush. We are not getting anywhere here because you actually believe that Obama wants to completely socialize the health care industry even though that has never been discussed, pushed or put in writing. The socialization of the industry is a right-wing talking point that has no true roots to anything that has ever been on the table. I don’t think you understand the complexity of the issue. Even some of the private insurance companies are for reform because the current bill should give them 30 million new customers.
I really like Scott Brown.
By JB on 03-09-10
Yet more reasons why Obama and his ilk are oblivious to reality:
http://article.nationalreview.com/427277/why-democrats-dont-care-about-97-trillion-in-debt/dennis-prager
By hammer on 03-09-10
Besides the fact that you have faith in Barak Obama who has lied and lied and lied to Americans, you have too much faith in him. You ignore his people around him and are blinded by his lies. It is funny, even the article JB put in front of you isn’t by FOX or Rush. Americans aren’t as stupid as you think. As a matter of fact you seem to come across that we have no clue. Americans are speaking up now and you are being fooled. Don’t kid yourself that the govt wouldn’t take this and run with it just like the other failing programs. You are being fooled and yes you do back this plan up even though you can say you are against the govt in the same breath or believe in God but you don’t. Your half way of in the middle stuff doesn’t create jobs.
By MontanaTrace on 03-09-10
There’s some interesting talent in DC. This is worth the watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTY_HLKfrsI&feature=related
By Vud on 03-09-10
...creepy.
By MontanaTrace on 03-09-10
Want creepy (either side of the aisle)?Google: YouTube Obama. All kinds of weird stuff. Then try Pelosi. Too many people with too much time. However, some are quite talented.
We need to “fix” America, not necessarily “change” her.
By Native on 03-09-10
Hammer - No it wasn’t Fox or Rush, it was Dennis Prager; a conservative talk-radio guy from the Religous right who is well-known for being against freedom of religon in our country.
You offer nothing to the argument. Just accusations without reference and name-calling. You assign me to groups I don’t belong to and you again commit the ultimate hypocricy of the faithful by judging me based on the amount of Godliness you assume I have. You have no idea by the way.
We just can’t stay on topic can we. Why can’t you argue the health care issue? Do you really care about the issues or do you just hate anyone that disagrees with your talking heads?
By Vud on 03-09-10
...trace:
Not TOO interested in creepy
I prefer this guy’s more * thoughtful * approach to “take back America” (whatever that means).
” We’re creating another government - not a third party “
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Qx5r2mT90&feature=related
By Kalispell Native on 03-09-10
hammer, et al: I hope all you guys watched Massa on Beck’s show tonight. ROFLMAO.
Beck and Limbaugh have now disavowed Massa when they found out they couldn’t use him for their propaganda purposes.
By hammer on 03-09-10
Conservatives know Massa is a joke. The point is that democrats are self destructing, This is what conservative hosts predicted. Turn the page baby. It is so funny that people need actual sources to deal with reality when the answer is right in front of their own face. Yes, Native I do see what you are like, you side with liberals but try to act as if you are conservative. Wanting to please both sides is tough when you actually side with liberals.
By Kalispell Native on 03-09-10
Clap louder, hammer. The G No P’s Tinkerbell just signed, and had notarized, her DNR order.
By hammer on 03-10-10
I don’t know what kind of pills you pop, but Kal Native you make no sense
By Craig moore on 03-10-10
Here is Nancy Pelosi’s logic as to why to pass the bill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To&feature=player_embedded
Sort of flies in the face of Obama’s pledge to have the debate in the open for everyone to see. What a hypocrite.
By MontanaTrace on 03-10-10
“we have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it” Pelosi.
Personally, I make sure there’s water in the pool before I jump.
Makes you proud to be an American doesn’t it?
San Francisco’s finest. The land of fruits and nuts. This is the logic of the leader of the liberal left? Man, I’d be gettin’ off that train before it leaves the station. Watch how many voters do just that in November and in 2012.
Massa? This is the results of not a full cup of kool aid. If you’re gonna drink it, drink it all up. A half dose makes for a half wit, half lib, half idiot.
By Yudamni on 03-10-10
This reminds me of the German government in the 1930s. Why are they so intent on this health care thing anyway. Do they want to destroy this country?
By Vud on 03-10-10
Oh yes. By all means, lets discard our own recent history and invoke 1930’s Germany:
http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2010/03/03/a-brief-history-of-senate-reconciliation-votes/
By Kalispell Native on 03-10-10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin’s_law
It states: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.”
By Yudamni on 03-10-10
Vud and the natives, you are exactly what I mean. You all will blindly follow these clowns and anyone of us who raise a voice of dissension against them should be taken out in the snow, put on our knees and shot. Am I not wrong?
By Kalispell Native on 03-10-10
Yes. You are wrong.
By hammer on 03-10-10
No matter what the Natives will back anyone with a D by their name. No matter if it is blatenly lying, stealing or cheating, they always try to pass the buck. That is what socialistic societies do. They never take in any accountability.
By Vud on 03-10-10
Now hold on KN…
Yuda ...maybe we can reach a equitable compromise that still accomplishes your rather melodramatic conclusion.
Death by global warming, perhaps? Save those arthritic knees maybe?
By Yudamni on 03-11-10
yea, and whats up with this native stuff any way? The left is always calling the right racist. Yet by calling yourself a native is like ” I am better than you” which is discrimination. Am I not wrong?
By Vud on 03-11-10
Gee…Just from your screen name you seem to have a huge persucution complex. Why?
By Native on 03-11-10
Hammer - You can go back and look at every post I’ve made and find out I’ve only defended 1 democrat. I’ve actually defended more Republicans, including your boy Bush. Do you even read what people post?
MontanaTrace - Not so subtle admission of your homophobia. Say bye bye to your credibility.
Yudamni - Hey there drama queen, why so angry? Why do they want to pass health care so badly? Because we have the most expensive system in the world and are only ranked 38th in care. People all over the country are losing their care in the middle of a catastrophic illness. Currently, health providers can deny coverage to almost anyone for any reason. 60% of doctor bills don’t even get paid. The list goes on but you kind of sound like those super-informed people that think Obama’s going to kill your grandma and force your daughter to have abortions right?
By Native on 03-11-10
Yudamni - So you feel discriminated against as a conservative? Do you want me to change my screen name to something less offensive?
Thats interesting that you first compare our current Presidential Administration to 1930’s Germany. Then you follow that with a hypothetical insinuation that the left is going drag you out into the snow, put you to your knees and execute you because of your dissent. Than say you feel discriminated against because our screen names on the Beacon blog rooms contain the word “native”. Do I sense some insecurity issues or is it just conspiricy driven paranoia?
By JB on 03-11-10
Native - we are ranked 38th in longevity, NOT care. The country with the highest longevity (Japan) is only 4 years more than ours. And what is your proof that longevity is directly tied to quality of medical care? There are many factors determining longevity.
Sorry, but that dog don’t hunt.
http://www.worldbank.org/depweb/beyond/beyondco/beg_08.pdf
By Native on 03-11-10
The 37th ranking comes from the last study done by the world health organization (WHO) it ranks countries by:
1. Preventable Deaths By Country
2. Healthy Life Expectancy By Country
3. Health Performance Rank By Country
4. Total Health Expenditure as % of GDP (2000-2005)
No doubt we have some of the best medical professionals and hospitals in the world, thats not the point. The point is you have to have a lot of money in order to get the treatment. Japan spends about $2,581 per capita for health care. In the US, an average person costs $7,290. How friggin rediculous is that?! How does that not make everyone see how important reform is?
By JB on 03-11-10
Native, you didnt read what I posted. Again - there are MANY factors that determine longevity, and I do admit, one of them is quality of health care.
Yes, we have the most expensive health care in the world. And I agree, reform is needed. But not the way it is being done now.
I spoke with my doctor last week about this very topic - and we both agree that reform is needed, but NOT in the way that those in Congress are going about it. This legislation is being crammed down our throats, whether we like it or not - because somebody on the Hill thinks they know what is best for the American people. There’s a reason that this Congress has the lowest approval rating than at any point in the current administration, according to AP - 22 percent - and half of the American people say they want their Congressmen to pack their bags and hit the road.
I agree, health care in the country is way too expensive - and having the public option seems like a good idea on the surface - but we dont even know how this legislation will affect even that.
By Native on 03-11-10
Very rational argument JB. Well put. I don’t think the reform bill is perfect, you can’t please everybody but the broad scope of it is a huge step in the right direction. I don’t care how it goes through, without it things will just get worse and the costs of the system will continue to be the biggest drag there is on our economy.
By JB on 03-11-10
One of the reasons why health care is so expensive - and continuing to be even more expensive year after year - is because we have more and more “baby boomers” consuming health care every year - and they use 3 times more health care dollars than what they put into Medicare during their first 65 years of life - one of the big reasons why Medicare is broke. Also according to Medicare statistics, 30 percent of a Medicare recipients lifetime medical bill is used in their final year of life.
But, of course, you won’t hear about these facts because no one wants to know the real truth.
Also, if current health care fraud detection systems were put into place to monitor Medicare fraud, it would save the taxpayer $100-150 billion dollars a year - WITHOUT new laws needed to implement them - and create useful jobs to boot!!! But our government says they have a better solution - and will not allow these companies to implement those detection systems.
By MontanaTrace on 03-12-10
Native: If you watched Massa’s interview with Beck, you’d see is and all of the press declared his comments are, scatter brained.
By my commenting negatively about his actions, you’ve declared me a homophobe. On that basis, if Massa was Asian, you’d identify me as a racist for criticizing him.
Being and idiot has nothing to to do with race or sexual orientation.
Re-read my comment. No where is there a word that should cause you to conclude I’m a homophobe. You have read something that isn’t there. What’s your problem?
Can’t someone call someone an idiot without it being racist or bigoted? That’s the same lame card being pulled when people voted against Obama. Even today, if I don’t like Obama’s policies, there are those that will say I don’t like them because he’s black. You have put yourself in that same group.
By Native on 03-12-10
MontanaTrace - Sorry for the confusion. I was referring to you saying San Francisco the land of the fruits & nuts.
Massa is obviously melting down. I don’t mind you calling him an idiot.
By MontanaTrace on 03-12-10
The phrase “land of the fruits and nuts” was created in the forties. Actually, it started out as the land of fruit, nuts and flakes. Cereal. Somewhere in the 60’s it was shortened and later used to describe gays and whackos. It was meant to be derogatory but most often a phrase used by comedians to describe Californians in general.
That was then. Now, the term “fruit” barely and seldom refers to gays. Wikipedea and Webster’s don’t even have it listed as an alternate definition.
Wikipedia informs us that the term and its variants “were usually used as pejoratives,” but “have also been re-appropriated as insider terms of endearment within LGBT communities.” Interestingly enough, it is now the name of one of California’s largest milkshake makers. They have a shoppe on the Queen Mary. Hmmmm.
I haven’t thought of “fruits” as being a gay thing for so long it never crossed my mind that a few sensitive people are still living in the past and might be offended. It has gone past being passe. For those that were troubled, I believe you have more problems than just looking at this old term to learn if I’m offensive or should you have be offended. Get a job! (80’s. Boy, that term sure has a different meaning today. Oh no, did I write “Boy?” Another wrong. “I’m so gay!” Oops, that’s a term used today but doesn’t mean anything about gays. This is all so confusing. Shoot! Confusing, a term that is base on the name Confucius. Now I have offended 3 billion Chinese. I better move to California where I will better fit in with the fruits [endearing term], nuts and flakes. I wonder where Salman Rusdie is hiding? I hear he writing a new book, “Buddha, the fat man.”
Come on folks, about all we can any longer afford is a good laugh. Or do you have Geliophobia.
By Native on 03-12-10
I was born in the eighties so I’m afraid I couldn’t keep up with all that.
All you had to say is that you made a mistake. The term “fruit” or “fruity” are still common terms describing flamboyancy. Don’t take it like I’m offended. I was just pointing to the fact that you make it sound like your political beliefs are partially molded by a representatives personal life and not their political stance.
If you really did not mean that, I apologize. But the comment was still absolutely irrelevant.
By MontanaTrace on 03-12-10
Native, you wrote: MontanaTrace - Not so subtle admission of your homophobia. Say bye bye to your credibility.
Having credibility with you is a metaphor of my checking account.
There’s no support for your comment but it’s infantile misunderstanding did give me my first laugh of the day. Thank you.
My attack was aimed at Pelosi’s statement that “we’ll have to pass the bill to see what’s in it.” You responded not to that comment but to my reference to San Francisco voters being typical of the land of fruits (endearing term) and nuts. I have a hard time understanding how the local voters can keep her in office. It must be some sort of SF insider’s joke on the rest of us for calling them fruits and nuts. Okay, we’ll quit doing that, if they’ll throw her out. How are you with the term “flakes” or is that ‘off the issue’ term one you don’t like either?
By Native on 03-12-10
I don’t get you checking account reference.
I was just trying to be polite by giving you the benefit of the doubt about your slur. Your defensiveness makes it clear you are guilty. You attacking me after I tried to apologize further implies that you meant what I thought you said. I now wish I wouldn’t have tried to be the bigger person.
They keep voting in Pelosi because she is perhaps the most steadfast politician in fighting for equal rights and opportunity. Unlike most, she does not back down no matter how contraversial the position she holds and believe it or not, some votors value that trait. She might be hard to like, hard to look at, and at times she has been childlishly partisan but she is wildly popular amongst those groups who she fights for and because those groups lack a powerful voice you will never hear anyone speak up for her. She might be easy to dislike but she is immune to any challenger come November.
By MontanaTrace on 03-12-10
I asked a SF friend to describe the California political scene. His response was not as flamboyant as I would have hoped but was pretty much as expected: “Coming from California we have so many nimrod politicians it is hard to decide who is the worst. The vaporous hag Pelosi, Waxman, McNerney, Waters, Boxer, Feinstein, so many to chose from. Our California Legislature is on the government union payroll. Unless the voters here wake up, California is well on its way to banana republic status. Of course, remember who Pelosi’s opponent was in the last election, yes Nancy Sheehan. OMG! California is really going down the toilet and we keep sending these self-engrandised egotists with no concept of funding public works, back to office. The Dem Machine sends so much money to keep Pelosi re-elected, we are having trouble getting her gone. With time and how badly she and her partners have created this most recent train wreck, her day will come.”
By Native on 03-12-10
All those words and I could only find 1 actual political critism: your friend believes they don’t do well funding public works. Other than that, its just a bunch of negative comments without any reasons. Interesting that your friend named only democrats and for some reason almost all women. Arnold has like a 10% approval rating yet he didn’t bother including him? I can see why you two are friends; you both enjoy the same narrow road.
I’m not defending those politicians, I just have to laugh how many people can run their mouth like that, ripping people to shreads and not bother stating there reason why. Nothing about issues or stances, they just can’t stand people that disagree with them.
By Native on 03-13-10
I can’t stand Pelosi MB. Try reading things for what they are instead of what you want to believe. I simply stated a fact. She fights for equal rights and has always voted that way. She will not bend on her stances and that is why her base loves her. Somebody asked a question: “why do her people keep electing her?”. I simply answered the question.
You do know Dubbya probably would have been impeached if it weren’t for her right? I would expect that would make you a fan.
By MontanaTrace on 03-14-10
One out of ten in America is out of work and we have an administration with a focus on “a bill we’ll have to pass to find out what’s in it.” Career politicians fighting over a bill they haven’t read.
There is no doubt health care needs to be fixed. Tort reform, competition across state lines, fraud, just to name a few areas that will better our financial health to be able to pay for those that don’t have insurance. Are any of those issues addressed in this bill? Over a thousand articles of pork are attached that will cost us dearly at a time we need jobs (another Obama campaign promise broken). Our taxes will go up for those that do have jobs.
Taxes will be put in place years before the insurance programs will take effect.
Your tax dollars for abortions, even if it is against your religion or personal beliefs.
This isn’t about helping Americans, it’s about political power. “We have the votes, we’ll do what we want whether the county likes it or not.” Pelosi
We need jobs and term limits.
Pelosi and her ilk could care less about health care insurance, it’s about winning and the other side losing. It’s bigger government and the socialistic beliefs in redistribution of wealth. What is on the cards for the next change?
By Roark on 03-14-10
We can all thank Baucus for being a major catalyst of nationalizing 1/6th of our economy and sending our deficits so high that a recovery, without drastic tax and spending cuts, is well nigh impossible. BAUCUS! Our own Senator from Montana will be co-responsible for the fall of the US economy and the loss of our health care choices, because of his votes on the Senate floor. You would think that Montana would set the example toward liberty and freedom of choice that made her great, instead we have a socialist hack from our State hasten our ruin to collapse and servitude.
By Vud on 03-14-10
http://assets.aarp.org/rgcenter/health/state_hcb_09_mt.pdf
By Native on 03-15-10
MontanaTrace - I looked for days for your Pelosi quote. All I found was the same utube video over and over again that is only 5 seconds long. I wondered: why only 5 seconds? could it be that they took it out of context?
Anyway, it didn’t actually even show up in a news paper. You can do a google search on it and every hit that comes up on fringe conservative sights; all blogs and editorials. The liberal sights haven’t even tackled it because it is such a silly cut-up. here is the full quote by the way:
“We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.” Pelosi was answering a question about how polls show that the majority of the population are buying in to these contraversial interpretations of the current bill. She was basically stating that those who believe the conspiricies are going to have to wait until the bill is passed so they can see for themselves these things don’t exist.
Very poorly constructed sentence. She should have just said “some idiots will believe anything so we will just have to prove its not true by passing the bill and getting up the next day to show them the sky didn’t fall.”
By MontanaTrace on 03-15-10
So….. Pelosi said it or not? Maybe took it back later. Who knows? She does do quite the politicians dance (as they all do):
“Roe vs. Wade is based on a woman’s fundamental right to privacy, a value that all Americans cherish. It established that decisions about whether to have a child do not and should not rest with the government. A woman—in consultation with her family, her physician, and her faith—is best qualified to make that decision.” (2005)
Unfortunately, Speaker Pelosi’s 2,032-page government takeover of health care does just that. On line 17, p. 110, section 222 under “Abortions for which Public Funding is Allowed. Federally paid for abortion is in the Bill.” (2010)
“In the family I was raised in, love of country, deep love of the Catholic church, and a love of family were the values.”
“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
“The president led us into the Iraq war on the basis of unproven assertions without evidence….”
“Every month that we do not have an economic recovery package 500 million Americans lose their jobs.”
“I will not be making appointments to a committee that is not bipartisan.”
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We need term limits.
By Native on 03-15-10
MTrace - She said it and it was taken out of context.
Her comment about Roe v Wade was about the decision process of the abortion, not whether or not insurance covers it. This comparison is so off. It says insurance companies are ALLOWED to cover them. It doesn’t mandate anything. In both of these statements, Government has absolutly nothing to do with anything.
Lets say you have a daughter. lets say you find out she is pregnant. 2 months later your daughter learns that there is a problem and a 100% chance of death to both baby & mama unless she has an abortion. What would you say? Yes? No? Should insurance cover the procedure?
Yes, this is absolutly 1 in a million but there are thousands of cases like it every year. There are also rape & incest pregnancies. You don’t think abortions should be covered in these scenario’s?
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