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By LogicalOne on 07-28-12 @ 7:07 am
DO NOT SIGN THE PETITION!
The Airport needs a 21st century upgrade. We don’t need the neighbors managing the
way the city is trying to make the airport safer.
Signing the petition just puts too many cooks in the kitchen making a bigger mess out of an
already mismanaged city asset.
Turn it over to an airport authority and let them run it like an community airport.
Most citizens know nothing about FAA rules and aviation safety. Let the pros run it and
let the vocal petitioners go have coffee at Sykes and complain about the world.
By EnPrime on 07-28-12 @ 11:50 am
Gee LogicalOne,
Wasn’t it you that was gloating over the 5 members of the Council and their decision to strip
the taxpayers of their voting rights? Wasn’t it you that said any petition and it’s supporters
were “Road Kill”? Wasn’t it you that said this petition and its supporters had lost the war and
this thing was as good as dead?
Well golly gee, look at what’s risen from the dead! It’s a petition and you’re screaming for
voters not to sign it! According to you there was never going to be any petition!
I just love it when a plan comes together!
I’ll be glad to add my name to the petition! Restore the taxpayers right to vote!
By LogicalOne on 07-28-12 @ 1:33 pm
That’s right, EnGorged, it’s all about me.
By Phlotch on 07-28-12 @ 2:37 pm
I can hardly wait to find the petition to sign on the dotted line! This city council doesn’tlisten to those they are supposed to represent, and few past council’s have either. This airport
is only there for a very few to use at their will, with no payment of landing fees or parking
fees, paying nothing but their own gas!
I really have no beef with the airplanes, they come and go and that is it. Take-offs are
generally quick and landings are normally a quiet glide to the ground. The helicopters, however,
hover over neighborhoods for what seems like hours, droning on and on: Making it hard to carry
on a conversation over the back fence with the guy next door, or trying to hear the wife bark
out orders to clean the garage, or the kids playing down the street, or the barking dog, or. . .
. well you get the point. Just try to have a nice Sunday barbeque without hearing a helicopter
going over a dozen or more times.
It will also be interesting to see what findings there will be for the new environmental impact
study that will be required to be undertaken with this new turn of events. Has anything changed?
Probably not in the engineers eyes! We can build that runway right through the creek, we can
asphalt over those buried oil spills from the wrecking yard, and where was that old city dump -
asphalt over it too! Dig up the graves at the cemetary and move them, those people won’t care,
they are dead anyway! How about filling in the county gravel pit? How much will that impact?
Another question I have not seen addressed anywhere during this fiasco is any future expansion
of the Kalispell Treatment Plant? I don’t suppose they can build onto the flood zone of Ashley
Creek? Maybe they can begin to stack the tanks and such. That should be pretty inexpensive!
Next, what amounts of property taxes is the city loosing with this airport if the land were put
to a better use? How about a private golf course on the south side of town? An industrial Park?
Housing? Sports arena? They all bring in a whole lot more money than Joe Pilot freely landing
his airplane at taxpayers expense.
By LogicalOne on 07-29-12 @ 7:02 am
Letters like Phlotch’s serves as a perfect example of why our government is a republic and not mob rule.
Let the noisy minority pick and chose their favorite aspects of the airport and the sewer
plant and any other niche knee jerk and on top of their head issues to rail on and we would
have no structure to society.
Thats why we hired the city councilors to manage the assets and services we all have
before us. We don’t need a citizens review by critics of how many planes, who can fly
them, where they can park, how long they can say and whether the FAA should be
involved in an airport.
Tell the petitioners NO. Sure its their right to petition, but they are wrong.
By Phlotch on 07-29-12 @ 8:19 am
“Logical”: the council is NOT hired. They are elected and then paid by that mob you refer to!
I also note you have little to say about the actual issues and questions I brought up? I wonder why?
So be it. Another ostrich in the sand.
By DaisyCutter on 07-29-12 @ 8:50 am
I’ll be glad to sign the petition! Stop by Ward 4 please!
By LogicalOne on 07-29-12 @ 10:12 am
Your “comments” are all over the map and about 100 different things.Why don’t you run for office if you want to be “hired” by the voters… then you can deal with
people like you telling you what to do because you want vote on what they should be
doing.
You can get signatures and maybe even get a vote…. so where does it end? Perhaps you
would be happy when…. ah like never?
By Phlotch on 07-29-12 @ 2:41 pm
Sorry for having more than one thought per comment. I know it makes it hard to read andunderstand when there are so many words.
As for an ending: How about when the airport property is put to a better, and income sustaining,
use instead of a continual drain on the city’s taxpayers for the benefit of a very few? But then
that it is only MY opinion.
By LogicalOne on 07-29-12 @ 4:24 pm
You slobber out, “well how about” like veteran beer drinker…. so how about it?
What are you going to put on the ballot that will accomplish your swagger?
Easy to spit out but not to effect. The airport is contractually set in concrete for the next
20 years and probably more with what happens durning that time. Did you know that?
You are stuck with, so do want a safe one or one that might cause accidents?
You are stuck with it until you die, Phlo; so do you want to pay for 100% of it, or 25%
instead and use FAA funding until you croak?
So what if you don’t like the airport…. so how about trying to micro manage the chip sealing
from your computer and get people to vote on the problems you recognize from that? You
will have about as much luck as your opinion on the airport materializing.
By Phlotch on 07-29-12 @ 5:13 pm
It is certainly too bad there is no substance to the issues in many of these comments. Only calling a person a drunkard and trying to declare them dead before their time? Really, this “discussion” isn’t worth anyone’s time since
name calling isn’t worthy of the effort to respond further. I will not stoop that low.
By LogicalOne on 07-29-12 @ 6:46 pm
Thats why you can’t run government by referendum… you can’t tell the difference of an insult from a metaphor. If you can’t tell the difference, you probably will not understand
the issues either.
Maybe I should have responded in kind after your ostrich comment? Declaring someone
a big blind dumb bird is obviously relevant in your measurement of stooping? Haha… thats
the car you are swerving around in.
By RIGHTOFCENTER on 07-29-12 @ 9:25 pm
Can’t wait to sign that petition. Please stop by Ward 4. I do not want to pay for PiperPilot’s and IllogicalOne’s recreation or business. If they want that little airport for their recreation and
business, they should pay for it themselves.
By 3Hills on 07-29-12 @ 9:53 pm
Show me where to sign! Come down North Main, you’ll get a lot of signatures.
By 5YearLapelTac on 07-29-12 @ 9:57 pm
Please come to Ward 2. I have already knocked on every door on my block and they are all willing to sign the petition.
Thanks!
By Bonnie S on 07-29-12 @ 10:03 pm
I own a business downtown and my family and I will be happy to sign the petition. I hope you stop in.
By DanglingChad on 07-29-12 @ 10:11 pm
I’m in! Just show me where to sign.
By Maria on 07-29-12 @ 10:16 pm
We look forward to seeing you in Ward 4. Lots of signatures over here.
By LogicalOne on 07-29-12 @ 10:24 pm
You guys all CRACK ME UP…..
What exactly are you signing a petition for?
I’ll drop by with one and you can sign it…. but what is it supposed to say that won’t cost you
in the long run?
So far all you wrench about is your supposition that YOU are paying for some pilots’
recreation. What is the petition going to say to stop that huge problem that did not exist
before Quiet Skies and the rest of you ran out of quiet to beller about?
By Westside2 on 07-30-12 @ 12:58 am
I hope it says, “Do you wish to continue subsidising entitled pilots who live outside of citylimits in perpetuity or do you wish to meet the city’s contractual obligations for the next 20
and cut your losses”.
Where do I sign?
By JosephineDoody on 07-30-12 @ 4:58 am
EnPrime already stated it.
Restoring the people’s right to vote on the issue.
I’m happy to sign that petition. Hope to see someone in my neighborhood soon!
By LogicalOne on 07-30-12 @ 6:33 am
Westside… Its not going to say that. Doody,, what is the language you wish to sign?YOU GUYS DON’T KNOW….. all you do know is you are airport haters and want to close it.
So CLOSE it and kiss about 20 million bucks good bye in contract payoffs and law suits.
Or let the City Council continue and get 20 miilion free money from the FAA and a safer
airport.
Or act like grown ups and acknowledge it is an 83 year old institution .... an airport…. that
even little towns like Polson, Stevensville, Cut Bank, Shelby on and on have because they
value aviation as an economic community driver; not a retired citizens group railing
against local aviation and people who irk them by landing at the CIty Airport.
You have a right to vote IF you get the signatures…. but guess what? Even in the remote
chance your misguided referendum passes (which it won’t) does not mean the City
Council will not veto it and pass the airport FAA improvement in your face because it is the
right thing to do.
QUiet Skies and the West side activists have failed at claiming noise, danger, increases in
huge jets attacking town, and now are on the spoiled pilot soap box. Get a life. Kalispell
wants an airport. You should of known it was there before you moved in.
By JosephineDoody on 07-30-12 @ 7:21 am
This is great! Loggy is running scared that the signatures will actually be obtained (and they probably will). Loggy
is quaking in his boots that this referendum will come to pass. Me thinks Loggy underestimated
the opposition!
As EnPrime has already said….“I just love it when a plan comes together!”
By LogicalOne on 07-30-12 @ 8:17 am
You have no plan….. you don’t even have language that will pass a lawyers desk!Don’t you hate it when people know reality vs imagination.
Anything is possible…. it does not mean I am scared… or running… or under estimated.
Riddle me this Bat Doody…. what are the words you are voting on? Who has a petition?
about 40 days left….. I love it when your plan is doomed from the start.
By Heikens on 07-30-12 @ 3:16 pm
L-One-
I suspect you will be proven wrong very shortly. Then what will you say? What will say when the
petitioners hit the ground running with an approved referendum? You may believe your own press
but the reality is, the taxpayers of Kalispell don’t want this, and the signatures on the
referendum will reflect that. After the people have spoken, what shall you say then?
To the petitioners: Please come by Ward 3. You’ll have lots of signatures over here.
By LogicalOne on 07-30-12 @ 6:04 pm
Anyone see a petition yet? Anyone care to share what it says? Until one appears, you are spitting in the wind.
If the petition happens to pass and it actually closes the airport right away…. I will laugh at
you and your city will loose about 20 million. The pilots will fly somewhere else. No one
looses but the city.
Who knows? What will happen is the airport will stick around and the only thing you win is
a few bucks less taxes. The noise you complained about to begin with…. still there.
Helicopters still there. Planes flying over town…. still there. Sewer gas…. still there. Can
pick flowers in your back yard because of the low flying airplanes…. still there.
If the vote keeps the aging airport to deteriorate and close in 20 years….. the city looses
too. They will take your money another way for another project you don’t get to vote on….
maybe after all you seniors are in the happy hunting ground, your grand kids will reverse
your folly.
By RIGHTOFCENTER on 07-30-12 @ 9:15 pm
The winners will be the property owners, businesses and tax payers who will be set free from being saddled with having to subsidize a few greedy pilots’ recreational activities and businesses.
By LogicalOne on 07-31-12 @ 5:13 am
Name some greedy pilots and I’ll go over and find out why they are taking your money.
All pilots are not greedy. Just like all tall people play basketball.
So pull your generalizing bigoted view out of your special dark place and accuse those who
are abusing your money and we’ll fix it.
So got some names? Lets roll big chops…...
By LogicalOne on 07-31-12 @ 5:27 am
So now Chad Graham has a petition going to either approve the FAA funding of the safety improvements at the airport, or repeal it. YARMUT!
We are all waiting for Scott Davis’s carefully worded petition to further polarize the
community by class warfare and name calling with RIghtOf Center.
Kalispell has done untold damage to it’s reputation. Why would any high tech business
invest here if it can’t run an airport and it’s citizens feel people with aircraft are spoiled.
New chances for new employers will fly by and go to more stable and progressive
communities. Kalispell looses.
By JosephineDoody on 07-31-12 @ 7:31 am
Well looky here! Look what actually materialized?! Christmas has come early this year! Here we have the petition that was never going to go anywhere, according to poor Loggy.
Poor Loggy. He’s crying in his Post Toasties this morning as he has once again been outsmarted
by the common man. The common man who was “Road Kill”, and would never get ballot language
to pass across a lawyer’s desk.
What’s that? What’s that I hear? Oh yes, that would be the sound of the one who laughs last….and
loudest. This is indeed a good day for the taxpayers of Kalispell!
By EnPrime on 07-31-12 @ 7:40 am
(From the Interlake article) - “Petition language is being fine-tuned among the city and county attorneys and county election department.”
Golly Gee, LogicalOne, it looks as if this thing is going to happen afterall. What’s it like to be foiled
again by people smarter than you? That’s gotta smart.
By Maria on 07-31-12 @ 10:24 am
LogicalOne is oddly silent now. Must be all that crow he has jammed in his mouth.
By 3Hills on 07-31-12 @ 10:49 am
LogicalOne said.
“Anyone see a petition yet? Anyone care to share what it says? Until one appears, you are
spitting in the wind.”
Spitting in the wind you say? Looks to me like you’re the one coughing up blood.
By andreab on 07-31-12 @ 3:22 pm
look up the right to drive we have the right to travel on the road using the usual convoyance oftime
By andreab on 07-31-12 @ 3:27 pm
educate-yourself.org www.theforbiddenknowledge.com www.uslawbooks.com look these up and educateyour selves
By ICallB.S. on 07-31-12 @ 6:34 pm
Put a strip club in the airport—that will pay for the airport without using tax dollars. Hell, put 3 strip clubs in and the place will make tons of money. Churchy types can spend their extra time
picketing on Sundays and we’ll see them inside (minus the picket signs) on Saturday nights!
By LogicalOne on 07-31-12 @ 8:26 pm
You dopes didn’t write the petition….. the city did. And only does one thing!
Same thing the council voted for is what you get to vote for:
Keep the airport or keep the airport….. HAHAHA!
What are you so proud of winning?
You lost…. the airport stays. I just wanted you to use the FAA funds so you don’t end up
paying for the entire safety improvements in the next few years out of City funds…
especially when the City gets sued for negligence in the operation of a sub standard airport
that they could of fixed for next to nothing.
Not my problem now… I am moving to Bozeman.
By JosephineDoody on 08-01-12 @ 5:04 am
Well there you have it, everyone. Poor ol’ Loggy is moving to Bozeman…we have it in writing.
Don’t let the door hit you in the a** on the way out.
By LogicalOne on 08-01-12 @ 5:51 am
You still lost the airport war. All the problems have funneled down to you get to vote to spend your own money or spend your own money. HAHA!
Kalispell is the laughing stock of the Northwest. Enjoy watching the door slam Doodo!
By RIGHTOFCENTER on 08-01-12 @ 7:14 am
First things First. First we have to overturn that stupid vote the liberal wing of the Kalispell City Counil made. Once that is overturned then we need a second referendum to get rid of the Airport.
The language should be as follows”:
Do you agree that the we need to get rid of the airport in the City of Kalispell because the City of
Kalispell tax payers should not have to subsidize the fun and business activities of a few greedy
pilots, many of whom do not live in the City of Kalispell.
By JosephineDoody on 08-01-12 @ 11:07 am
@Loggy
Are you a dope? Because you sound like a dope.
Either way, we’re finally rid of you as you’re moving to Bozeman.
Happy Trails.
By JosephineDoody on 08-01-12 @ 6:19 pm
@Hankie
You would know, as you’re the King of insults. It’s fascinating to me how you always accuse others
of the very thing you are most guilty of. A predictable and worn out tactic of the Left.
By JosephineDoody on 08-01-12 @ 9:51 pm
You just told on yourself.Thank you. I rest my case.
By bocephusj57 on 08-01-12 @ 10:48 pm
Oh, you two.
Get a room, would ya?
Just remember to agree on a safeword before you proceed.
By JosephineDoody on 08-02-12 @ 10:32 am
Poor Bo Bo. He just can’t stand not being the center of attention.
By mitch on 08-02-12 @ 11:51 am
Did the inmates at Warm Springs get new computers?? What a bunch of gibberish. Doody, ya appear to be about 8.
By Heikens on 08-02-12 @ 3:08 pm
Sorry L-One;
Looks like these folks are far more organized than you give them credit for.
http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_cc8f3e2e-dc54-11e1-a863-
001a4bcf887a.html
By LogicalOne on 08-02-12 @ 4:51 pm
There are two factions here. One the “4 out of 9” side of the City Council and the Mayor. They lost on the 2nd council vote to take FAA funds.
Notice who wrote the petition….. the City Attorney and chairman of the city’s advisory
Planning Board. This petition showed up out of the blue and short circuited the OTHER
faction… Quiet Nonsense .... I mean Quiet Skies.
There is no Quiet Skies petition and most likely will not be. After all, they NEVER brought
up the 19,000 tax paying people having no direct benefit of the airport against greedy
pilots…. BUT the Mayor sure did.
Steve Davis and the QS group always were railing against hyperbole…. i.e. noisy planes,
sewer gas, giant Russian helicopters coming in because of an upgrade. Dumb as dingbat
issues got them no where.
So the credit for the petition is all the City Council members who “lost the vote” in the end
and now have rallied the troops over “taxes” as a smoke screen.
The point really is the city council has neglected the airport and some want to close it and
some don’t. Now the people get to decide how they want to keep it open since the council
can’t stand together as one after a vote.
Just like the Three Stooges ( for the older folks) or like Punk’d (for the younger
generation).
By JosephineDoody on 08-04-12 @ 7:33 am
@MitchFunny you should recognize “gibberish”. You were the author of it during the 2010 election cycle.
In the words of EnPrime…“I just love it when a plan comes together”....
http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/Signatures-gathered-for-Kalispell-airport/-/14594602/15951500/-
/t49p6e/-/index.html
By LogicalOne on 08-04-12 @ 3:25 pm
Hey Doody,
Are you following false profits and spreading falsehoods, or are you one yourself?
Chad Graham, a City employee, is quoted in your NBC link that ““Traditionally, in the past,
that is how it’s been done in Kalispell,” said Graham. “The voter decides the fate of the
property that they own and this is just staying in line with that tradition.”
WHAT??? WHEN??? DOH!
Chad must dizzy from all the hot air. When was the last time the voters ever cast a ballot
about “city property”?
The new City Hall, the new Fire Hall, Street Scape, the swimming pool, the ballfields, Kids
Sports, the skateboard park, and even less than a month a go, excess city property going
right up for sale with absolutely no votes from the “owners”.
http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_930676a0-c24a-11e1-bff3-
001a4bcf887a.html
This is nothing more to this than the loosing side of the council who can’t join together in
solidarity for the betterment of the city, instead creating havoc out of politics; most likely
done to try to influence future elections ... but I would not put it past them that they have
other interests in mind.
There is no plan that is coming together.. it is a petition for a vote…. it will be a shill vote to
give you the impression that the loosing side of the airport vote really “should of won” but
can’t do it without riling up the local lemmings to rally for the losers.
By Heikens on 08-04-12 @ 10:46 pm
Illogical One -
It’s Prophets, not profits - and it is you who are spreading falsehoods. Mr. Graham is NOT a City
Employee. He is a VOLUNTEER on the City Planning Board.
VOLUNTEER: 1. a person who voluntarily offers himself or herself for a service or undertaking.
2. a person who performs a service willingly and without pay.
You said, “There is no plan that is coming together.. it is a petition for a vote…. it will be a shill vote
to give you the impression that the loosing side of the airport vote really “should of won” but
can’t do it without riling up the local lemmings to rally for the losers.”
There you go again, implying that the Kalispell taxpayers are “too stupid to vote” by calling
them “lemmings.” As far as the plan coming together, the volunteers gathering signatures today
came by my house and informed me that they have already obtained 1/3 of the signatures they
need. Sure sounds like a plan coming together to me.
I was happy to sign the petition.
By LogicalOne on 08-05-12 @ 7:11 am
Heikens… sorry about using profits rather than Prophets….. freudian slip! 
Check with the city attorney on the definition of “city employee” will you? You will find Chad
won’t be speaking out on the issue much more.
If you would read the exchange up a few posts, you will find out just how stupid some
voters posting to this blog are.
Now granted I am using “stupid” in a pretty colloquial manner to shorten up the typing. I
don’t have to kiss your Chick-fillet to sneak in a more polite way to show that most voters
don’t have a clue what the political play is here.
The “stupid quote” was from Graham, himself, who is a political player beyond his
“position” on a CIty board. Do you care to comment on the validity of what he said?
“The voter decides the fate of the property that they own and this is just staying in line with
that tradition.”
Show me some examples in the last 10 years that there was a ballot item for one piece of
property that the voter decided the fate of, will you please?
And as far as them getting the signatures…. so what?
And so what if they all get to vote?
What do they get AFTER the vote?
If they vote the Mayor’s way…. you vote monsters get a broken airport to be fixed with City
obtained financing.
Thats a real prize. DOH!
The voters ego gets stroked but the problem the council is dodging by the lateral to the
voter is still exactly the same.
What are us “stupid” voters to do then, if you are so smart?
Quit bragging how organized you pump up the vote lemmings are and face the issues!
By JosephineDoody on 08-05-12 @ 9:25 am
Loggy-
If Chad Graham is a “City Employee” as you say, then you’ll have no problem producing copies of
his W2’s. The reality is, he is NOT a city employee and for some reason, you can’t grasp that little
fact. Clearly, you are confused as to what constitutes an employee vs. volunteer.
It’s nice to see you have at least conceeded that voters you referred to as “Road Kill” HAVE
achieved a referendum and ARE gathering signatures - a feat you claimed would never come to
pass.
So far, this has been one big losing proposition for you. A pity.
By LogicalOne on 08-05-12 @ 10:33 am
So if its a losing proposition for me….. what do YOU win Doody?
Tell me… what does your side win… besides the “right to vote”?
What do YOU get for your vote out there at the airport?
Does not matter if you change the game and then claim victory….. what do you get from
the original problem? Remember what that was? Deteriorating airport needs fixing?
What do you win when you vote the “leave it the same” option?
You don’t know…. thats why you are road kill.
Sorry to confuse you when you thought you are winning something….. the booby prize!
HAHA!
By LogicalOne on 08-05-12 @ 10:41 am
A member of a volunteer city board speaks for the city…. therefore he is the same as or greater than an employee or a volunteer. Stop arguing meaningless points. The real point
is that Graham proposed an ballot measure that has two choices on it. Now Graham is
precluded from speaking out on the initiative because he is “speaking for the city” and that is
illegal. Want to argue that too, Dood-o-phine?
By JosephineDoody on 08-05-12 @ 12:16 pm
Happy to oblige, Loggy.You said, “A member of a volunteer city board speaks for the city…. therefore he is the same as
or greater than an employee or a volunteer.”
Actually, you couldn’t be more wrong (shocking, I know). The volunteers on the City Planning Board
represent the TAXPAYERS of the City of Kalispell. They are the conduit between the taxpayers
who are NOT on the Council, and City Government. Secondly, simply because Mr. Graham
volunteers to serve on the City Planning Board DOES NOT mean he relinquishes his 1st
Amendment Rights. This is America, not Nazi Germany.
Clearly, you are not good at this type of debate. You don’t know the facts and what little you do
know is so distorted and convoluted that no reasonable person could begin to understand you.
Please do society at great service and dabble in something other than cogent debate.
By LogicalOne on 08-05-12 @ 12:24 pm
Tell you what Doodie….. call up Charlie Harball and pose your answer to him verses comment. You know where to reach him… besides through God, I mean…. at his City
Attorney job? lol. I am positive he as sent City Board members exactly what I said.
Apologies accepted in advance, Ms Know-it-all.
You sure are quick to advance unsupported theories, further flattening your road kill status.
By LogicalOne on 08-05-12 @ 12:26 pm
Are you ever going to tell me what your side will win with the vote choices, either way, Doofball?
By Heikens on 08-05-12 @ 12:31 pm
Illogical One -
You stated, “Show me some examples in the last 10 years that there was a ballot item for one
piece of property that the voter decided the fate of, will you please?”
Ok, here you go. The City Pool and Skate Park were voted on by the taxpayers. The North
Kalispell Fire Station was bonded and voted on by the taxpayers. The KGA Golf Course was
bonded and voted on by the taxpayers (incidently, with Kari Gabriel voting to let the taxpayers
vote). The new Kalispell City Hall was NOT voted on by the people and look what happened…$1
Million dollars over budget and 150 change orders. This is what happens when you allow gov’t to
make changes without taxpayer consent.
In addition, all school bonds and levies are voted on by the taxpayers.
I think Old Josie is right….you’re not very good at this type of debate.
By JosephineDoody on 08-05-12 @ 2:19 pm
What do the citizens get when the referendum makes it to the ballot? Besides finality… here’s a list:
1) We win the authority to either confirm or deny the Council’s action.
2) The possibility of an airport that retains its current footprint while operating in the black w/o
taxpayer dollars (example KGA).
3)Citizen driven gov’t that perserves the peoples right to vote on property they own.
Sounds like 3 winning elements to me, Loggy. By the way, I see where that political genius and
master of good taste Roseann Barr is running for the Socialist Party nomination. Perhaps you can
assist her in her endeavors as you have clearly lost this debate.
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