Friday Apr. 18, 2014
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About 35,000 pipeline opponents recently protested in Washington
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By fourweight on 02-20-13 @ 8:53 am
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“move along, nothing to see here…......well yes, we are fully backed by the party who openly
states that evolution did not happen, climate change is a hoax, women can decide to forgoe
pregnancy upon being raped…..I mean, in general can’t you see that we are the smart ones…...so,
just move along please, its obvious we know exactly what we are talking about…....”

Umm…..no thanks TransCanada…..I think we will apply some 2nd grade scrutiny to your idiotic
claims - even your Republican Buddies can understand second grade stuff
By fcb on 02-20-13 @ 9:18 am
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Climates have always changed and always will.

Even before man was on earth and it will continue to change from time to time after mankind is
gone from earth.
By Craig moore on 02-20-13 @ 9:28 am
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First, there was no 35000 people at the protest.  That number came from the organizers.
Independent observers estimate about 4000.   

Second, as I commented elsewhere, the NYT posted a column addressing the protests, climate
change, and the pipline itself.  It gets down to needs and efficacy. 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/19/opinion/nocera-how-not-to-fix-climate-change.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2&
  As the author writes, the climate change impacts are pretty small.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42537.pdf#25

Third, fourweight’s attack is typical of those unable to discuss the subject and substitute an
ad hominem assualt. 

Fourth, both Buffet and Soros are heavily invested in oil and oil delivery systems that compete
with Canadian oil and the pipeline. 
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/111611-591960-billionaire-buffetts-bakken-boom.htm

Fifth, Soros is a main benefactor of the Tides Foundation which funds many of environmental NGO’s. 

When someone follows the money, the picture is revealed.
By mooseberryinn on 02-20-13 @ 10:30 am
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Craig - well said.  but, sadly, the folks who would benefit the most from education will not read it.
As gas prices keep rising - it is the “working class” who will bear the burden most.  His/her cost of even
getting back and forth to/from work has just decreased take-home pay. (as will King Obama tax hikes). 
then, there is Washington state demo-dummies - let’s raise gas tax by 10 cents per gallon.  oh yeah,
that will sure help the “working class” folks.
By Craig moore on 02-20-13 @ 10:55 am
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Moose, there is also a 6th point.  With the purchase of Heinz by Buffet, John Kerry and his
wife stand to make mega millions on the deal. The Heinz foundation has given something close to
10 million to Tides which, in turn, launders the money out to other groups like the ones
protesting the pipeline. 

Kerry, as Secy of State, will make the decision.
By GATE on 02-20-13 @ 5:17 pm
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In addition to the Enviornmental Wacko’s agenda to keep the US from becoming energy
independent, a look at these Green prophets of Doom history should send a chill through even the
Low Information voters. The ‘Green’ movement took root in Germany through the likes of Werner
Haverbeck (1909-1999) a former Hitler Youth member and Nazi enviornmental leader of the Reich’s
League of Folk National Character and Landscape, and was heavily involved in establishing the
German Green Party during the late 70’s and early 80’s along with Austrian Nazi Guenther Schwab
(1904-2006).  Many of the card-carrying Nazi’s in the 30’ and 40’ made up the core of the original
‘Green’ movement, but it was Schwab who in 1958 who took the ‘theory ’ that man made pollutants
‘might’ cause minor global warming and converted it into apocalyptic crisis that would eventually
flood the lowlands of the Earth with melting ice for the Polar Ice due to the rise of unprecedented
CO2 levels….Does any of this sound familiar?  While Americans continue to get ‘Gored” by these
zealots, their Lackys in the Progressive media look the other way!
By mooseberryinn on 02-22-13 @ 7:35 am
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and one more thing - Why is it this “president”, King Obama thinks he just has to “save” America
from low energy prices?  Prime example - gas was 3 dollars and change in 2008, now it is 3 dollars
and more change in 2013.  I’d say Chairman Obama’s anti-energy efforts have been effective, but
enough is enough.  Let the country gain some energy independence and lower gas prices for the
“working class”.  Trying to force people to buy “smart cars”, (when they can’t afford it), to haul the
farm and ranch, and family supplies, reeks of communism.
By hotfishmt on 02-22-13 @ 1:27 pm
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The power players on the price of oil are the: big hedge funds, the cities & state retirement
funds, union retirement funds…who bet big dollars that the price of a barrel will go up….each
hour.
The various funds/groups have mega millions to invest in the “oil futures market” and do so
each day. The price of oil….Moose Droopings is not the result of any president what so ever.
The last time a TOO BIG TO FAIL came up was with the home mortagage crisis, big banks &
the sneaky handling of so called securities….lead to a big exit for many power players…and
they now focus on oil futures and reap the profits each hour.
Trans Canada pipeline is just another step toward some measure of oil independance from the
Arab or Asian countries…..hopefully ????? Long as we don’t export the excess that is
supposed to happen from all the fracking wells.
By mooseberryinn on 02-23-13 @ 9:30 am
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htfish - As supply is increased, the leverage to maintain higher gasoline prices is decreased.  Get a
clue.
By Gabby Johnson on 02-23-13 @ 9:37 pm
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Market forces simply do not apply when it comes to oil. The cartel (Saudis and the rest of OPEC)
set the supply, extracting the maximum wealth from consuming countries like the U.S. while
keeping prices low enough to prevent the development of alternative energy sources.
In terms of oil, we’ve been living under Saudi rule for more than 40 years.
By reggie on 02-24-13 @ 8:50 am
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Well put Gabby. The only input to this formula from the U.S. is, as stated earlier, the raise in
price to final purchaser added by under regulated and unnessary commodity market trading:
Which adds nothing to the transaction except increased, unearned and under taxed income to
billionares, paid for with added cost to consumers….. (Not counting outrageous profit by the
multinational oil corporations, of course)

Supply and demand has nothing to do with the price of gasoline.
By mooseberryinn on 02-24-13 @ 10:57 pm
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Hmm, obviously reggie hasn’t had any study in economics. or history for that matter.  Maybe you would
find a tie-in between periods of high gas inventory and falling price-at-the-pump interesting to
investigate.  Try it, you may learn something.
By reggie on 02-25-13 @ 1:44 pm
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You mean like when prices at the pump went up $1.50 for no apparent reason during the Bush
disaster; and a few months later fell $1.50, without any change in supply or demand?

Or were you refeering to the drop in price as Obama won election the first time to less than
$2.00 for a few days, which the corporate supporting party later used to misleadingly compare
to higher prices and blame Obama? Again without change in supply or demand.

Or maby you are talking about our current 9% less demand for gasoline (due to the Bush
recession) that has so dramaticly reduced our current price?
By mooseberryinn on 02-25-13 @ 5:10 pm
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reggie - what country are you in?  Do you actually drive?  It certainly appears you are not from around
here.
By GATE on 02-25-13 @ 6:12 pm
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