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By dmgold on 05-22-13 @ 11:53 am
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Fortunately, none of what Skinner says is true. The only things that have cost timber jobs have
been economics (cheap Canadian lumber, the housing collapse) and historical overharvest
and over-roadbuilding in these forests.

The fact is that grizzly bears are part of NW Montana’s unique wildlife heritage, and in fact, the
Endangered Species Act protections for bears also provide habitat security for elk and many
other NW MT critters that use the forest.
By RussCrowder on 05-22-13 @ 4:15 pm
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dmgold…Are there trees in fantasy land?
By getman on 05-22-13 @ 5:06 pm
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I guess Skinner was not here when Plum Creek changed goals and let most of its woods’ crews go
to pasture.  Evidently, Skinner doesn’t know about tech in logging,  lumber markets, truth, etc.  He
ought to talk to Plum Creek.  Open killing of the Grizzly will mean business, helicopters and
activity for these fellows who don’t have a big bear on their wall, yet.  Skinner presents very false
arguments.  Loggers and bears co existed, well, for years.  Now, these new fellows want some
other reason and some other way to grow their manhoods.  I wish they would quit rewriting history.
Sadly, our animals must pay for all of these, “bored guns.”.. From a real Logger’s daughter.
By Craig moore on 05-22-13 @ 5:17 pm
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Dave Skinner is spot on once again.
By rtchoice on 05-23-13 @ 6:25 am
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Is it true?  Does Grizzly really taste like pork?  Yum!
By great bear on 05-23-13 @ 7:55 am
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@rtc, maybe ,come join me for lunch, remember some days ya eat the bear ,some days the bear
eats ya, I support the right to arm bears !
By fourweight on 05-23-13 @ 11:11 am
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Mr Skinner has once again proved that he is either a liar or an idiot (or perhaps both)

The griz has never cost a single person access to a single square inch.  While there may be
truth the fact that lazy fat fools like Davey, can no longer zip their atvs up and down every
corner of the country, I think they do have feet - and access in the cheapest most egalitarian
mode has never been restricted in any way.

 

Like any good canary in the mine, the plight of the griz woke us up to the fact that we were
likely killing Montana itself.  Losing wild habitats damages all of us as well as other native
Montana species.  In saving the griz, its likely we took a small step towards saving ourselves. 

 

My family is one of intense hunters and fishermen and we all say “Long live the ESA”!!!

 

Dave Skinner - please take your Koch-Brother-Rehberg-regurgitate somewhere else.  We are
full up on dumb here.
By mooseberryinn on 05-23-13 @ 12:06 pm
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Yes indeedy, “full up on dumb.”  Now there is an accurate self-assessment.
By Kokanee on 05-23-13 @ 8:29 pm
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Just like the Rocky Mountain Gray Wolf plan was drafted and signed off on then not even remotely
used as a “guideline”! I also veiw this very warily, way to open for lawsuits by radical enviros
to shut down multi-use forestry as we know it now. I do not believe for one instant that they
will be able to restrain themselves if this is put into place. They already want ranchers off of
public lands what is to stop them from saying hunting,fishing,hiking,huck picking,morel
gathering,firewood is not in the bears interest and we are interfering with the bears.

Yes let’s protect the bears, we have proven we can be good stewards but how much of a good thing
is to much. Where is the balance should we have 1000 bears 2000 bears?
By fourweight on 05-24-13 @ 11:23 am
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@Not so great Canadian Beer…

The folks you should view “warily” are those that trick people with terms like Multi-use.  It
seems that your “multi use” means: “we get to log and graze every acre - and all other uses
take a back seat”

 

As I look around, I see that the road builders and bulldozers and tree cutters have had a hell of
a good time.  Fact is they had their way without check for darn near 75 years.  Extraction is
a “Singular” use!

 

There are those of us who want to hunt elk on roadless public places.  We want to catch
cutthroat in clean streams, and we want to live in an ecosystem with grizzlies and wolves.  We
want to run businesses that thrive on the economy created by outdoor activities and wild places.

 

You boys had your century.  Game populations plummeted.  Rivers were ruined.  Towns were
poisoned.  Berkeley pits were dug.  Bull trout were nearly erased from our waters.  Buffalo,
Wolves, and Bears paid your price.  All of us folks who want to stop and reverse these
despicable events are members of the public too - and all of our uses matter too.  We are far
from radical enviros.  We carry guns, and fishing rods.  We are the ones who helped stop the
bear’s demise.  We are the ones who support the ESA. 

 
By RussCrowder on 05-24-13 @ 11:29 am
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Fourweight’s definition of multiple use:  “More than one forest burning at the same time”.
By Kokanee on 05-24-13 @ 2:31 pm
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Wow how old are you no weight! I think your history and mine are really not the same,in my
lifetime it seems conservationists and the boys were the same. Your no use forests are of no use
to anyone you cannot honestly believe your fairy tale that it all came back on it’s own do you.
What about the ones that restored riparian habitat by hand,planted trees by the thousands by
hand,pulled truckloads of invasive weeds by hand. The only thing your hands seem capable of is
trying to slander and belittle anyones doctrine that does not follow yours verbatim.

Oh and I have asked this before what is it with your disdain and loathing for ATVs was someone
denied as a child or was Texas just to full of them?
By terryt on 05-24-13 @ 7:30 pm
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No weight you clearly know nothing about griz bear recruitment and populations. One has to
look no furthur than two populations in the northwest part of the state. Look at the yak pop
which is declining , mainly oldgroth heavy forrest. The creston area which has the highest birth
rate and recurritment, 1/2 open farming land and 1/2 new growth forrest. Why the differance
food for the bears..While It is appearant you want western Montana to burn to the ground I
dont. Proper fuels management is thr right way to go.
 
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